President Trump Makes a Statement Regarding the Paris Accord
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[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52301065]at least the hilarious thing is if you look at where mar-a-lago is, [url=https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mar-a-Lago+Club/@26.6770665,-80.0391689,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x88d8d71e9a5c409d:0x71bb1222105e5650!8m2!3d26.6770665!4d-80.0369802]it's in prime sinking territory[/url]
we should name it the capitol building of Atlantis once it inevitably goes under[/QUOTE]
He'll be dead by the time this actually effects his property.
So, since renegotiation is off the table, Trump essentially doomed us all. Nice going! We make the best deals! #MAGA! :hurr:
so if these stories of individual cities/states introducing the Paris Agreement laws into their state law (my american law knowledge is very shaky sorry), what exactly could trump do? tell them "no!! you must pollute, keep the dying trade afloat!!!!"
if states start incorporating these climate change laws into their state law it'll be the biggest kick in the teeth trump could face; open defiance from the country he represents, and would show in absolute, that the president does not deliver on what the country wants.
(naturally there'll be the states which go "yaahoo! let the rivers run black with oil!" but they'll reap what they sow in the end.)
[QUOTE=paindoc;52301072]Yeah, but wait until droughts destroy their crops and the aquifers run dry. Price of food will go up. No jobs left for them outside of agriculture either: automation has replaced most transit jobs, removing a vast number of jobs from the American economy that especially benefit what's left of "middle america". Extensive tarriffs on manufactured goods due to us rejecting the Paris Accord means manufacturing in the US is even more untenable than it was before. No food, no jobs, no water.
its going to suck[/QUOTE]
And the saddest part is they'll still fail to see how they're responsible for it.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52300973]God damn Trump is striving to be the worst President ever. And I don't say that lightly, considering there have been some [I]really[/I] fucking bad presidents. Andrew Jackson, for instance. Fucking the planet [B]for no reason[/B] is a pretty good way to get on the list though.[/QUOTE]
Hah
It's not for no reason. There's reasons behind it alright.
Hell if he didn't have any reasons and was just doing this out of stupidity and not greed he'd probably be less shitty.
[QUOTE=EXPLOOOSIONS!;52301080]so if these stories of individual cities/states introducing the Paris Agreement laws into their state law (my american law knowledge is very shaky sorry), what exactly could trump do? tell them "no!! you must pollute, keep the dying trade afloat!!!!"
if states start incorporating these climate change laws into their state law it'll be the biggest kick in the teeth trump could face; open defiance from the country he represents, and would show in absolute, that the president does not deliver on what the country wants.
(naturally there'll be the states which go "yaahoo! let the rivers run black with oil!" but they'll reap what they sow in the end."[/QUOTE]
He (and Congress) would have to pass federal regulations preventing the states from doing so. While blatantly going against their own core values of leaving things up to the states.
[QUOTE=EXPLOOOSIONS!;52301080]so if these stories of individual cities/states introducing the Paris Agreement laws into their state law (my american law knowledge is very shaky sorry), what exactly could trump do? tell them "no!! you must pollute, keep the dying trade afloat!!!!"
if states start incorporating these climate change laws into their state law it'll be the biggest kick in the teeth trump could face; open defiance from the country he represents, and would show in absolute, that the president does not deliver on what the country wants.
(naturally there'll be the states which go "yaahoo! let the rivers run black with oil!" but they'll reap what they sow in the end."[/QUOTE]
States/cities are still going to have limited power to influence extremely large businesses. For example, I'm willing to bet that Seattle will try to influence Boeing, but Boeing's main plant is up in Everett which is pretty much solidly in the hands of the unions and Boeing itself. I.e, a large corporation dodges any regulations.
Not to mention that agriculture and industry is a large (if not the largest) polluter and the regions where most of these companies/industries are concentrated are not exactly likely to willingly choose to follow climate agreements.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52301063]It'd be fucking nuts to put 100% of the blame on Trump in this case, but only as fucking nuts as it would be to put 100% of the blame on Hitler for what happened to the jews - excuse my extreme analogy.[/QUOTE]
The difference was that Hitler was a masterful orator with a cabal of extremely able murderers and propagandists at his beck and call, promising a way forward to a nation wracked by poverty.
Trump is a fucking chimpanzee who talks like a child, promising to get the brownies out of one of the richest countries on earth.
Anyone who listened to Trump and thought he would do anything other than what he's done so far doesn't deserve the right to decide how our country is run.
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52301044][media]https://www.twitter.com/AP/status/870381220449923073[/media][/QUOTE]
But he makes the best deals...
He behaves like a clown, as expected. What strikes me is that people bash on Merkel saying Europe cannot fully depend on the US when this guy right here has the wheel.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;52301104]The difference was that Hitler was a masterful orator with a cabal of extremely able murderers and propagandists at his beck and call, promising a way forward to a nation wracked by poverty.
Trump is a fucking chimpanzee who talks like a child, promising to get the brownies out of one of the richest countries on earth.
Anyone who listened to Trump and thought he would do anything other than what he's done so far doesn't deserve the right to decide how our country is run.[/QUOTE]
I agree, but don't defend Trump, he may not be the reason this is happening but he's certainly leading the way.
[editline]1st June 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Joseph Smith;52301107]He behaves like a clown, as expected. What strikes me is that people bash on Merkel saying Europe cannot fully depend on the US when this guy right here has the wheel.[/QUOTE]
People bash on Merkel for fuckin anything.
I was always on the fence about having children, but I don't think it would fair to have any now.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;52301116]I was always on the fence about having children, but I don't think it would fair to have any now.[/QUOTE]
Adoption is always an option. It's better for the environment and somewhat overlooked.
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52301121]Adoption is always an option. [B]it's better for the environment[/B] and somewhat overlooked.[/QUOTE]
So what you're saying is. We need to make adoption illegal?
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;52301116]I was always on the fence about having children, but I don't think it would fair to have any now.[/QUOTE]
You can still adopt and help those who are already along the ride with us if you ever wish to be a parent but don't have the desire to procreate your own.
Like Blindsniper said, this is often overlooked.
Nah, not illegal. They just become permanent custody of the state and the fed - babies that are given up become the United States' new Slav--I mean workforce.
Just to reiterate... this thread is livid right now, and we should all channel this energy into taking action. Talk with friends and family and find the support to organize a protest! Like, seriously, do it now. I'm already getting people together. Remember to wait until you have a strong support, organize it well, plan for the future, then take action. Also remember to emphasize how important being non-violent is.
Pretty much, EU/etc. while could try sanctions, those probably are less solid options other than trying to make change internally.
[QUOTE=lope;52301143]Just to reiterate... this thread is livid right now, and we should all channel this energy into taking action. Talk with friends and family and find the support to organize a protest! Like, seriously, do it now. I'm already getting people together. Remember to wait until you have a strong support, organize it well, plan for the future, then take action. Also remember to emphasize how important being non-violent is.[/QUOTE]
And what would that accomplish? It doesn't seems like it would change much of anything, given the strong polarized politics of your country. What needs to happen is for the current goverment you got to blast off into space, which i don't see as something happening soon. The truth of the matter is the US will continue with Trump's course, big business will like it, and it will be all dealt with in a matter of months.
[editline]1st June 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sasupoika;52301149]Pretty much, EU/etc. while could try sanctions, those probably are less solid options other than trying to make change internally.[/QUOTE]
You would be surprised. The US has lost a lot of it's soft power during the last decade. It still exerts influence thanks to the military it has.
[QUOTE=Joseph Smith;52301158]And what would that accomplish? It doesn't seems like it would change much of anything, given the strong polarized politics of your country. What needs to happen is for the current goverment you got to blast off into space, which i don't see as something happening soon. The truth of the matter is the US will continue with Trump's course, big business will like it, and it will be all dealt with in a matter of months.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you're right. Alright guys, never mind the protest it won't accomplish anything.
[QUOTE=Joseph Smith;52301158]And what would that accomplish? It doesn't seems like it would change much of anything, given the strong polarized politics of your country. What needs to happen is for the current goverment you got to blast off into space, which i don't see as something happening soon. The truth of the matter is the US will continue with Trump's course, big business will like it, and it will be all dealt with in a matter of months.[/QUOTE]
I'm not actually sure big business is too keen on this, tons of CEOs already supported the Paris agreement and renewable energy is a massive growing industry.
To dump all that and go back to coal is a bad move.
[QUOTE=lope;52301143]Just to reiterate... this thread is livid right now, and we should all channel this energy into taking action. Talk with friends and family and find the support to organize a protest! Like, seriously, do it now. I'm already getting people together. Remember to wait until you have a strong support, organize it well, plan for the future, then take action. Also remember to emphasize how important being non-violent is.[/QUOTE]
here's another idea
how about you just find as many trump supporters as you can, talk to them as long as possible, and then come back once you're just as cynical and hopeless as I am. That way we can just skip the part where I try to convince you how pointless your suggestion is.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;52301104]Anyone who listened to Trump and thought he would do anything other than what he's done so far doesn't deserve the right to decide how our country is run.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad people are finally starting to understand this. It's true. It's absofuckinglutely true.
I mean, maybe some people out there are fine with being dragged down and held back by these swine... but the majority of us are not, and we want this shit stopped immediately. We don't want our lives and the lives of the people we care about needlessly ruined, we don't want our future to be ruined, we don't want our planet to be ruined, etc.
There's no sense in allowing things to continue like this. With everything that's at stake, we [i]can't[/i] allow it to. We're doomed otherwise.
(Also, how ironic that you and I were just arguing about this a couple of weeks ago.)
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;52301170]I'm not actually sure big business is too keen on this, tons of CEOs already supported the Paris agreement and renewable energy is a massive growing industry.
To dump all that and go back to coal is a bad move.[/QUOTE]
I do agree with you, green energy market has been booming in these last 4-5 years, but the truth is that it has not got a real lasting stronghold. I am in favour of dumping oil and coal but the truth is, they still got quite the strong pull, as far as economics go.
[QUOTE=NoobSauce;52300935]So what are trump supporters going to use as a scapegoat for this? Hillary's emails again?[/QUOTE]
They don't need a scapegoat. They think this is great news.
[QUOTE]Trump: "I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris"[/QUOTE]
are you [B]that fucking retarded[/B]
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;52301170]I'm not actually sure big business is too keen on this, tons of CEOs already supported the Paris agreement and renewable energy is a massive growing industry.
To dump all that and go back to coal is a bad move.[/QUOTE]
A lot of the major energy companies are heavily invested in alternative fuel research currently as it is after all. Renewable energies are sky-rocketing in growth, the technology is maturing at a stupendous rate and the public are starting to come around to the idea.
Coal, gas, etc. may seem fairly infinite right now, but we need to use more and more to fuel the ever growing needs of the developing world. And when it comes to things like oil, we have much more useful uses for such materials than burning them to power an iPhone or whatever. The companies that are consuming these resources are well aware of the dwindling supplies and their costs will go up as a result.
If we move to safer, renewable energy sources that becomes less a problem. We can continue to use these resources for goods without literally burning them into nothing for a quick fix.
[QUOTE=Joseph Smith;52301183]I do agree with you, green energy market has been booming in these last 4-5 years, but the truth is that it has not got a real lasting stronghold. I am in favour of dumping oil and coal but the truth is, they still got quite the strong pull, as far as economics go.[/QUOTE]
Part of the reason is the absolutely stupid tactics used by traditionalists, such as the half the American automobile industry and their minions on the legal circuit trying to stymie the introduction of Tesla cars at every step.
[editline]2nd June 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=1239the;52301187]are you [B]that fucking retarded[/B][/QUOTE]
Well, pittsburgh already BTFO'd him by saying they voted mostly for Clinton and that they support the Paris agreement
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52301185]They don't need a scapegoat. They think this is great news.[/QUOTE]
And the ones that disagree with it are just going to pretend it never happened rather than speaking out against it.
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