• Vladimir Putin: Assange's arrest shows hypocrisy of the West about democracy
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Sucks, but he's right.
[QUOTE=Melnek;26646031]So is every other country, deal with it.[/QUOTE] Not as much as Russia. Nearly every government official, judge, military officer and policeman are corrupt there
Says the crony capitalist who regularly silences dissent and reporters who attempt to expose the true corruption
Watch this bitches: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAmHdAJb0Ck[/media] Democracy is just a word when people are starving, the average person, made to be blind to the reason.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;26648253]Not as much as Russia. Nearly every government official, judge, military officer and policeman are corrupt there[/QUOTE] You know shit about Russia
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;26643171]hahahahaha Putin attacks the West for arresting a critic. I suppose that it'd be unfair to say that Putin would jail an opponent of his regime - they'd probably just be quietly killed.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Melnek]How hypocritical of Putin to criticize the West's suppression of free speech and its failing democracy. However if you honestly think the West is any less corrupt or rigged than the east you are a naive fool.[/QUOTE] Atleast Putin doesn't run a fake democracy and opposes opposition from the start instead of openly celebrating democracy and freedom and then jailing opposition anyways. You have a lot to lean, little Americans. The world beyond your suburban front yard porches stretches much farther than just to the 7/11 and walmart down the corner. [editline]12th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Gordon Frohm;26644517] And thus making all the undemocratic shit he is pulling in Russia seem insignificant in comparison. (i.e. "The west are the bad guys here, not us russians")[/QUOTE] The West has been the single most aggressive and intolerant imperial force in the last century. We pretty much are the bad guys tbh.
Remember how China wouldn't let Xiaobao leave Prison and China for the Nobel Prize ceremony? Imagine if China asked Britain to release Assange so he could travel to China and get some prize there. You think they'd let him go? Just because we're Westerners doesn't mean we have to blindly love our system no matter what it does when we're actually as terrible as we think the others are. We're no better.
When the most sane politician is a Russian politician you know the world has gone to utter shit
[QUOTE=The golden;26649791]He doesn't spend hundred of billion of rubles and countless years covering it up in lies and deception. And Putin has done some really good things for that country, especially when they got hit with the financial crisis. I know he's not exactly a jesus himself, but he's done more than any American president has in a long time. He also has the sheer balls to stand up to America. That's something almost no one has.[/QUOTE] Your right, he doesn't spend money on covering it up, the companies who he's whoring out Russia to pay for everything. [QUOTE=Zeke129;26651886]When the most sane politician is a Russian politician you know the world has gone to utter shit[/QUOTE] The world has been in utter shit for a long time.
Hey does anyone remember when the US bombed an Al Jazeera news station back in like '01 [editline]12th December 2010[/editline] and killed a journalist [editline]12th December 2010[/editline] on purpose
[QUOTE=JohnRockefeller;26656692]Hey does anyone remember when the US bombed an Al Jazeera news station back in like '01 [editline]12th December 2010[/editline] and killed a journalist [editline]12th December 2010[/editline] on purpose[/QUOTE] I don't
[QUOTE=Melnek;26645314]Just because you dont hear about it in the news does not make it none-existent. Have you ever stopped to consider how the US and generally Western media pretty much only criticizes other Eastern countries that "lack the freedom and democracy this great nation has"? . They never throw direct accusations to their own governments. A nation as large and as diverse as the US can only reasonably have huge amounts of corruption and silent civilian suppression. Tell me, if the "Collateral Murder" video was to be released by a well known Western media rather the Wikileaks, do you think the government will just let it slide? They will try to hunt down the person who was in charge of leaking it and make up ludacris accusations to take him down. Prime example here is Mr. Assange. [editline]12th December 2010[/editline] EVERY country has corruption, some countries are just better at hiding it.[/QUOTE] So all you can do is assume that "the US can only reasonably have huge amunts of corruption and silent civilian suppression". If we're still going by assumptions, there probably is a level of corruption in the US government, as there would be in any - but nothing on the scale of Russia's. When looking at stuff like this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Russia[/url] Oppression of the press, repeated war crimes in Chechnya, consistently low scores from human rights organisations, widespread police brutality... the list goes on.
[QUOTE=XxXKillErXxxX^2;26649614] You have a lot to lean, little Americans. The world beyond your suburban front yard porches stretches much farther than just to the 7/11 and walmart down the corner. [/QUOTE] If excessive condescension were illegal, your trial would be broadcasted around the world live from the UN headquarters.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;26657400] When looking at stuff like this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Russia[/url] Oppression of the press, repeated war crimes, consistently low scores from human rights organisations, widespread police brutality... the list goes on.[/QUOTE] And yet all of that happens in the USA Except the low scores from the human rights organisations but since the human rights organisations are all [B]western[/B]...
Hey man, you sometimes get mad and kick your dog, so don't criticize me for loosing my temper and gunning down 27 people in a shopping mall!
[QUOTE=Mingebox;26657691]Hey man, you sometimes get mad and kick your dog, so don't criticize me for loosing my temper and gunning down 27 people in a shopping mall![/QUOTE] Wait what? Who the fuck kicks their dog?
[quote=ickylevel;26643133]we are not in democracy, trust me. Just look at how ireland got taken over by the eu/fmi recently.[/quote] imf [editline]12th December 2010[/editline] [img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:1HMh-yh9EljOrM:http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee241/photobastard/DemocracyWeDeliver_640px.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=johan_sm;26656757]I don't[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_jazeera#Attacks_on_and_censorship_of_Al_Jazeera[/url] Sorry, in 2001 they just blew up an office, didn't kill anyone, they killed someone in '03
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;26657645]And yet all of that happens in the USA Except the low scores from the human rights organisations but since the human rights organisations are all [B]western[/B]...[/QUOTE] Except not remotely on the same level. Don't even try and claim the human rights groups are just anti-Russian, for whatever bizarre reason.
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[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;26657400]So all you can do is assume that "the US can only reasonably have huge amunts of corruption and silent civilian suppression". If we're still going by assumptions, there probably is a level of corruption in the US government, as there would be in any - but nothing on the scale of Russia's. When looking at stuff like this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Russia[/url] Oppression of the press, repeated war crimes in Chechnya, consistently low scores from human rights organisations, widespread police brutality... the list goes on.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's not like there are twice as much as american committed war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan right? Or oppression of the press, (Wikileaks for example).
We're a Representative Republic. Not a Democracy.
Man, and here I was, thinking that Russia was finally understood...
[QUOTE=Rubs10;26666557]We're a Representative Republic. Not a Democracy.[/QUOTE] Being a Republic does not exclude being a Democracy.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;26666066]Except not remotely on the same level. Don't even try and claim the human rights groups are just anti-Russian, for whatever bizarre reason.[/QUOTE]Don't bother, they always seem to have this bizarre idea that all the bad things said about Russia are pure fabrications.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;26666066]Except not remotely on the same level. Don't even try and claim the human rights groups are just anti-Russian, for whatever bizarre reason.[/QUOTE] Yes, indeed. I'm just saying that although on a smaller scale, it happens in the USA too.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;26649311]You know shit about Russia[/QUOTE] I know lots of people that live in Russia, watch lots of Russian TV, and live in Ukraine that is preety similar to Russia (especially corruption-wise), so yeah I do seem to know shit about Russia
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;26673769]I know lots of people that live in Russia, watch lots of Russian TV, and live in Ukraine that is preety similar to Russia (especially corruption-wise), so yeah I do seem to know shit about Russia[/QUOTE] Take it from a guy who was born and lived in Russia for the past 24 years. You know shit about Russia.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;26643171]hahahahaha Putin attacks the West for arresting a critic. I suppose that it'd be unfair to say that Putin would jail an opponent of his regime - they'd probably just be quietly killed.[/QUOTE] See you in the Gulag bro.
So he's telling the US to get off it's high horse? Sounds reasonable. [editline]13th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=PelPix123;26673391]America isn't a democracy. It's a republic. It's not [i]technically[/i] a complete democracy until there are no representatives or organizers and every citizen votes directly on even the tiniest, most insignificant issues.[/QUOTE] Representative Democracy
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