[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35697743]I think it's a good idea. :colbert:
Smokers can ruin their lungs as much as they want, but I'm not a fan of passive smoking.
At least alcoholics don't go around spitting vodka on everyone.[/QUOTE]
It's funny because you can move or ask them to, most people who smoke are fine with accommodating a little bit and most people that I've ever known also step outside to smoke in the first place.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;35696048]what a kind and compassionate thing to do, drastically increase the price of an addictive substance, surely that is a reasonable way to enforce your own lifestyle on a huge population of people. i can't believe 45 people thought this is a good idea, at least it makes an easy list of people to never take seriously ever again
[editline]24th April 2012[/editline]
huh? what are you even talking about[/QUOTE]
The government should discourage through information, not banning or excessive taxation.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;35697768]It's funny because you can move or ask them to, most people who smoke are fine with accommodating a little bit and most people that I've ever known also step outside to smoke in the first place.[/QUOTE]
And what if I'm already outside, waiting for a bus, for example, and there's some fucker smoking like a chimney?
No matter where I stand, I still smell his smoke stench that makes me want to puke my lungs out.
[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35697826]And what if I'm already outside, waiting for a bus, for example, and there's some fucker smoking like a chimney?
No matter where I stand, I still smell his smoke stench that makes me want to puke my lungs out.[/QUOTE]
Relocate your so precious lungs 2 to 3 meters away. Smoke won't chase you like it's its only goal to fuck up your health.
And you just had to deal with a single asshole, most of us just step away from the crowd to light a cig.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;35696450]I completely agree that people should decide themselves what they want to do witht heir body, but this is *still* a choice. I think it is a outragous price though, but I don't find the system here in Denmark bad. There's no "gain" from smoking (there's of course the relaxing aspect, but still), and many young people begin early on, which is not a good thing. Lungcancer is pretty expensive to treat as well, and as we have free helthcare here in Denmark, the 8-10$ isn't by any means too high.[/QUOTE]
$8-10 is a bit expensive but way better than $100. $100 is like pointing a gun at your head and saying if you smoke I'll shoot you, but you still have choice.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;35697025]yeah but your second-hand smoke doesn't belong in my body either.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35697743]I think it's a good idea. :colbert:
Smokers can ruin their lungs as much as they want, but I'm not a fan of passive smoking.
At least alcoholics don't go around spitting vodka on everyone.[/QUOTE]
Why do people keep bringing up second-hand smoke like it's relevant? I don't care if the government makes laws restricting smoking in public places. That comes down to keeping one person's actions from interfering with other people's choices, which is a very legitimate function of government. Telling people they shouldn't be allowed to smoke in their own homes or something, even indirectly by means of an absurd tax, is not.
I don't see the point in this, just tax it so the government makes back what they'll lose from the inevitable health care costs. I also think smoking around children should be counted as abuse, if hitting your child is counted as abuse, then so should smoking around them.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35698247]I don't see the point in this, just tax it so the government makes back what they'll lose from the inevitable health care costs. I also think smoking around children should be counted as abuse, if hitting your child is counted as abuse, then so should smoking around them.[/QUOTE]
K because when dshs(I know this is new zealand) knocks on your door and ruins your family AT LEAST THERE WASN'T SECONDHAND SMOKE RITE?
[QUOTE=zakedodead;35698505]K because when dshs(I know this is new zealand) knocks on your door and ruins your family AT LEAST THERE WASN'T SECONDHAND SMOKE RITE?[/QUOTE]
So if they beat their kids to discipline them you think nothing should be done?
smokers irritate me in public places when they blow their smoke (which smells like roasted wheat + shit) around and it often ends up drifting over to my nose
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35698247]I don't see the point in this, just tax it so the government makes back what they'll lose from the inevitable health care costs. I also think smoking around children should be counted as abuse, if hitting your child is counted as abuse, then so should smoking around them.[/QUOTE]
yes let's dilute the recognition of an extremely serious crime with your silly bullshit.
Why not just call smoking nose-rape so you can put smokers on sex-offender registries as well.
COMPLETELY rational.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35699071]yes let's dilute the recognition of an extremely serious crime with your silly bullshit.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about using corporal punishment not beating your kid senseless for the hell of it.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35699095]I'm talking about using corporal punishment not beating your kid senseless for the hell of it.[/QUOTE]
No.
That is the dumbest fucking thing.
That's about as dumb as when premarital sex between teenagers was defined as a form of rape (statutory) and remains so to this very day.
We already have laws in place to protect children. We don't need more to vindicate your own personal sensitivities.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35699130]No.
That is the dumbest fucking thing.
That;s about as dumb as when premarital sex between teenagers was defined as a form of rape (statutory) and remains so to this very day.[/QUOTE]
So you think hitting kids as a form of discipline is okay?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35699140]So you think hitting kids as a form of discipline is okay?[/QUOTE]
I think you're fucking delusional if you see smoking as equivalent.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35699156]I think you're fucking delusional if you see smoking as equivalent.[/QUOTE]
So smacking a kid on the arse when he's bad is worse than potentially causing him breathing problems?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35699173]So smacking a kid on the arse when he's bad is worse than potentially causing him breathing problems?[/QUOTE]
Child abuse is a very serious thing, don't act like secondhand smoke should be treated at all the same.
I don't want families broken up and ruined over someone deciding to light a cigarette near their kids.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35699173]So smacking a kid on the arse when he's bad is worse than potentially causing him breathing problems?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
I don't understand how far your head must be up your own ass if you think smoking a cigarette and ([B]potentially[/B]) inflaming minor asthma-like symptoms is as bad as fucking [B]beating a child.[/B]
You need to drop it. I don't care what you think of cigarettes. Don't go attaching your bullshit onto legitimate issues just to vindicate yourself. It does your argument no favors and simply makes a fool out of you.
If you don't like cigarettes, talk about cigarettes. Don't pull this "OH SO YOU THINK BEATING A CHILD IS OKAY, THEN?" horse shit you just tried.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35699220]Yes.
I don't understand how far your head must be up your own ass if you think smoking a cigarette and ([B]potentially[/B]) inflaming minor asthma-like symptoms is as bad as fucking [B]beating a child.[/B]
You need to drop it.[/QUOTE]
Very easily, smaking a child when he's bad has the potential to cause psychological problems, much the same as how smoking might cause the child asthma, either way you're potentially harming the child and please stop trying to make it out as though I'm comparing it to parents who beat their kids senseless every night and argue properly.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35699251]Very easily, smaking a child when he's bad has the potential to cause psychological problems, much the same as how smoking might cause the child asthma, either way you're potentially harming the child and please stop trying to make it out as though I'm comparing it to parents who beat their kids senseless every night and argue properly.[/QUOTE]
K go get beat as a child then go get a little smoke blown in your face and tell me which is worse.
Smoke is terrible but fuck you for making this comparison and acting like peoples lives should be ruined over it.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35699251]please stop trying to make it out as though I'm comparing it to parents who beat their kids senseless every night and argue properly.[/QUOTE]
You are.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35699140]So you think hitting kids as a form of discipline is okay?[/QUOTE]
I said something about smoking, and you came back and indirectly accused me of being a child-beater.
Drop the fucking act.
using analogies in the news section should be a bannable offense
[QUOTE=zakedodead;35699268]K go get beat as a child then go get a little smoke blown in your face and tell me which is worse.
Smoke is terrible but fuck you for making this comparison and acting like peoples lives should be ruined over it.[/QUOTE]
My parents did smack me as a child before it was discovered to cause mental problems in children. Personally I've had no problems from it what so ever and would for prefer what they did to asthma.
[editline]24th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lankist;35699273]
I said something about smoking, and you came back and indirectly accused me of being a child-beater.
Drop the fucking act.[/QUOTE]
Erm, don't remember accusing you of being a child beater sorry.
Governments should educate the public on health issues related to smoking and advertising of cigarettes should be banned.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35699288]My parents did smack me as a child before it was discovered to cause mental problems in children. Personally I've had no problems from it what so ever and would for prefer what they did to asthma.
[editline]24th April 2012[/editline]
Erm, don't remember accusing you of being a child beater sorry.[/QUOTE]
Obviously you have had problems from it with those fucked up views.
And when you say child abuse I don't envision spanking or whatever to a small degree(still borderline child abuse) I think of beating the shit out a kid. Don't compare smoking to that.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;35699341]Obviously you have had problems from it with those fucked up views.
And when you say child abuse I don't envision spanking or whatever to a small degree(still borderline child abuse) I think of beating the shit out a kid. Don't compare smoking to that.[/QUOTE]
Right so I miscommunication the point and you mistook what I was talking about as serious child abuse (despite the fact I cleared that up in an earlier post), however my point still stands, if physical discipline banned because it might cause harm to children, why shouldn't smoking.
And don't start with the "oh you are fucked up though with your fucked up views" bullshit, nothing I actually meant was fucked up, you just misunderstood it.
[QUOTE=Sniping Robot;35699322]Governments should educate the public on health issues related to smoking and advertising of cigarettes should be banned.[/QUOTE]
in the US advertising of cigarettes IS banned.
Not only that, but cigarette companies are legally required to fund anti-smoking campaigns such as TRUTH.
And studies have shown that smoking among minors has become MORE common since. That strategy has been tried and it is failing miserably. Same with DARE programs.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35699369]Right so I miscommunication the point and you mistook what I was talking about as serious child abuse (despite the fact I cleared that up in an earlier post), however my point still stands, if physical discipline banned because it might cause harm to children, why shouldn't smoking.
And don't start with the "oh you are fucked up though with your fucked up views" bullshit, nothing I actually meant was fucked up, you just misunderstood it.[/QUOTE]
My point isn't even with the physical abuse being worse than smoking(it is) but more of what dshs or other social welfare groups do to families with child abuse. Being taken out of a quite possibly loving family and put into some foster home that's likely to be even worse for you in the long run just because someone likes to smoke is fucking stupid.
[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35697826]And what if I'm already outside, waiting for a bus, for example, and there's some fucker smoking like a chimney?
No matter where I stand, I still smell his smoke stench that makes me want to puke my lungs out.[/QUOTE]
Your so called 'right to breath clean air' also happens to interfere with that man's 'right to smoke in public'. Get over yourself and ask him politely to leave or leave yourself.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;35699413]My point isn't even with the physical abuse being worse than smoking(it is) but more of what dshs or other social welfare groups do to families with child abuse. Being taken out of a quite possibly loving family and put into some foster home that's likely to be even worse for you in the long run just because someone likes to smoke is fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]
Of course they wouldn't deal with it in the same way as serious child abuse where the child is severely beaten, but something should be done about people smoking around children, it's not fair on the child.
an so begins world prohibition part 3
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