• Pack Of Cigarettes 'May Rise To $100' In NZ
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People need to stop driving, I'm sick of inhaling their exhaust fumes
[QUOTE=James*;35710328]People need to stop driving, I'm sick of inhaling their exhaust fumes[/QUOTE] Yeah, because people who smoke need to smoke just as people need to drive to work. I get what you're trying to do but it doesn't make sense. You're basically saying, "IF I CAN'T SMOKE HE CAN'T DRIVE LOL" when in reality smoking just adds to the mix. And that means you've got a faulty argument.
Some people who smoke are self medicating for attention deficit or psychotic illness, for them it could be considered just as important as being able to choose to drive to work.
Then there's a bigger problem with them not seeing doctors.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35706504]sorry didnt realize smoking made me a super villain [editline]24th April 2012[/editline] although my tobacco-themed volcano lair does seem to fit the bill now that you mention it [editline]24th April 2012[/editline] also i dont think you understand how dna works lung cancer damages the dna in your lungs (preventing apoptosis and thereby creating an uncontrolled growth of non-specialized cells) it does not damage the dna in your balls unless you're doing something with cigarettes i havent heard of idunno im getting old im not up on the hip new fashions [editline]24th April 2012[/editline] but hey keep crusading based upon shit you dont understand FiGhTiN tHe GoOd FiGhT[/QUOTE] The fuck?... When did I say it was evil? All you've been doing is twisting my words. If you have a source stating that the genetic mutations are a result of the cancer, and not the cigarettes, please point me to it so I can get my facts straight. The only reason I'm debating (or in your words, "crusading"), is due to the fact that you bashed my opinion and called me pretentious in the first place. Also, your balls theory... [url]http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-06/aafc-csa053107.php[/url] [QUOTE=Trogdon;35706607]good thing you need the government to help you quit[/QUOTE] I can quit whenever I want, lalalalala. As I was saying, I have no reason to quit, as all of the health defects associated are not present yet, except my fried lungs. But how often do I need to run? It's what can happen 30 years down the road.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;35710740]Then there's a bigger problem with them not seeing doctors.[/QUOTE] If they don't want to see a doctor, that is their choice and they can suffer (or not!) for it in the long run.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;35710374]Yeah, because people who smoke need to smoke just as people need to drive to work. I get what you're trying to do but it doesn't make sense. You're basically saying, "IF I CAN'T SMOKE HE CAN'T DRIVE LOL" when in reality smoking just adds to the mix. And that means you've got a faulty argument.[/QUOTE] No I'm saying people should be able to drive and smoke If you don't want to encounter the possible negative effects of either you should probably stay inside
I'm a smoker and I always blow the smoke away when I am with unsmokers
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;35709240]I'm sorry, I don't want to get cancer just because some guy next to me wants to shove ash down his throat. [editline]25th April 2012[/editline] Ever hear of second-hand smoke? My uncle died that way.[/QUOTE] your uncle died from second hand smoke? please explain
Its stupid to make them expensive, people will get them legally or illegally. The latter making shit worse. [editline]25th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;35711226]your uncle died from second hand smoke? please explain[/QUOTE] Second-hand smoke is supposedly more dangerous, i mean, you are breathing out radioactive smoke. But a smoke now and then is fine, especially if it's a Davidoff cigar. Mmm.
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[QUOTE=JustExtreme;35710932]If they don't want to see a doctor, that is their choice and they can suffer (or not!) for it in the long run.[/QUOTE] You know, cocaine was actually a pretty neat medicine and I'm self-medicating. Let me take my lethal dosage of alcohol and leave me alone, guy. I'm not arguing against the fact that people should have the right to smoke, but to consider it self-medication is pretty dumb and if I can't get away with it for Drug A, why is it that I can consider a cigarette a valid form of self-medication? Because of my rights? No matter what it's smoking and you can't sugar coat it. [QUOTE=James*;35711110]No I'm saying people should be able to drive and smoke If you don't want to encounter the possible negative effects of either you should probably stay inside[/QUOTE] You're missing my point. You compared smoking to driving and said if smoking were to ever be banned so should driving. I don't see anyone driving cigarettes to work, dude, and if you want to argue that you could also argue that cigarettes aren't a necessity and that shaving off that extra layer of pollution is okay. I wouldn't agree with it and I don't care [i]too[/i] much second-hand smoke as long as others are playing fair, really, but a car is more valuable than a cigarette and serves a much better purpose.
[QUOTE=Bobie;35711226]your uncle died from second hand smoke? please explain[/QUOTE] He never smoked a pack in his life. He died of lung-cancer. His workplace was filled with smokers and he worked there for a very long time. Connect the dots.
If you disagree with this, you probably smoke. The opinions of people that willingly damage themselves are worth shit.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;35714098]He never smoked a pack in his life. He died of lung-cancer. His workplace was filled with smokers and he worked there for a very long time. Connect the dots.[/QUOTE] You do realize that smoking increases the risk of lung cancer, right. it doesn't cause it. you can get lung cancer without cigarette smoke ever entering the equation, and spontaneous lung cancer actually a fairly common occurrence as far as cancers go. Due to that fact, right now there are no recorded cases of lung cancer outside of the laboratory that have been directly tied to second-hand smoke. So you may want to call your local medical university because, if you're right, your uncle is going to be famous. [editline]25th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=maxolina;35714156]If you disagree with this, you probably smoke. The opinions of people that willingly damage themselves are worth shit.[/QUOTE] says the person sitting behind a computer, at a desk for presumably long periods of time. You know, sitting for extended periods of time drastically increases the risk of stroke, pulmonary embolism and heart attack. So unless you're doing sit-ups right now, maybe you should start talking about the validity of other people based upon completely arbitrary criteria you pulled out of your ass.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35714169]You do realize that smoking increases the risk of lung cancer, right. it doesn't cause it. you can get lung cancer without cigarette smoke ever entering the equation, and spontaneous lung cancer actually a fairly common occurrence as far as cancers go. Due to that fact, right now there are no recorded cases of lung cancer outside of the laboratory that have been directly tied to second-hand smoke. So you may want to call your local medical university because, if you're right, your uncle is going to be famous. [editline]25th April 2012[/editline] says the person sitting behind a computer, at a desk for presumably long periods of time. You know, sitting for extended periods of time drastically increases the risk of stroke, pulmonary embolism and heart attack. So unless you're doing sit-ups right now, maybe you should start talking about the validity of other people based upon completely arbitrary criteria you pulled out of your ass.[/QUOTE] Many, many studies suggest that second-hand smoke is actually [i]worse[/i] than first-hand. How're you going to reproduce this in a lab anywho? You're argument is as solid as the 'god exists because you can't disprove it' logic. [editline]25th April 2012[/editline] And lung-cancer is not that common in areas where there are less smokers. Just an fyi. [editline]25th April 2012[/editline] Also, the sitting for extended periods of time doesn't [i]drastically[/i] increase heart risks. I've read those articles, none of them have suggested anything more than a slight increase. Still, though, an increase is an increase. Still bad.
So the science that inconveniences you is wrong but the science that vindicates your vitriol is right [editline]25th April 2012[/editline] you are qualified to make those kinds of judgements
[QUOTE=werner;35711165]I'm a smoker and I always blow the smoke away when I am with unsmokers[/QUOTE] It's common courtesy to ask if everyone's ok with you sparking up and to blow smoke away from non-smokers.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;35713663]You know, cocaine was actually a pretty neat medicine and I'm self-medicating. Let me take my lethal dosage of alcohol and leave me alone, guy. I'm not arguing against the fact that people should have the right to smoke, but to consider it self-medication is pretty dumb and if I can't get away with it for Drug A, why is it that I can consider a cigarette a valid form of self-medication? Because of my rights? No matter what it's smoking and you can't sugar coat it.[/QUOTE] Indeed some people find cocaine useful for ADD in a similar way to the amphetamines prescribed for it. Something like upwards of 80% of people diagnosed with schizophrenia smoke if I remember correctly and it is believed that they are self-medicating as nicotine itself shows promise as an anti-psychotic agent. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Research_as_a_potential_basis_for_an_antipsychotic_agent[/url] Whether self-medicating or not, as you say, people should have the right to choose whether to take up such and such activity/drug or not.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;35714098]He never smoked a pack in his life. He died of lung-cancer. His workplace was filled with smokers and he worked there for a very long time. Connect the dots.[/QUOTE] There are no fucking dots to connect. But if you feel like you can justifiy your uncles death by blaming it on second hand smoke, go ahead. [editline]26th April 2012[/editline] thats still dumb
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35698247]I don't see the point in this, just tax it so the government makes back what they'll lose from the inevitable health care costs. I also think smoking around children should be counted as abuse, if hitting your child is counted as abuse, then so should smoking around them.[/QUOTE] When my dad would smoke his cigar in the same room as me it was never WHAM INTO YOUR FACE AND LUNGS. The smoke never drifted my way. No fucks where given that he was near me. Obviously hard working and loving parents should be filed as child abusers now...
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;35714411]Many, many studies suggest that second-hand smoke is actually [i]worse[/i] than first-hand. How're you going to reproduce this in a lab anywho? You're argument is as solid as the 'god exists because you can't disprove it' logic.[/QUOTE] Uh, no, that's not comparable at all.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35711856] Second-hand smoke is supposedly more dangerous, i mean, you are breathing out radioactive smoke. But a smoke now and then is fine, especially if it's a Davidoff cigar. Mmm.[/QUOTE] But the smoker is inhaling more radioactive smoke [i]directly[/i] so how is it more dangerous when some of it has been absorbed and dissipated in the air?
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;35721823]When my dad would smoke his cigar in the same room as me it was never WHAM INTO YOUR FACE AND LUNGS. The smoke never drifted my way. No fucks where given that he was near me. Obviously hard working and loving parents should be filed as child abusers now...[/QUOTE] Smoke generally lingers in the air if the room isn't ventilated properly
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35722006]Smoke generally lingers in the air if the room isn't ventilated properly[/QUOTE] open a window, dog.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35722217]open a window, dog.[/QUOTE] Well thats up to the parents to do
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35722666]Well thats up to the parents to do[/QUOTE] what the fuck was your childhood like were you not allowed to open windows [editline]26th April 2012[/editline] were your parents apple fanatics
[QUOTE=Lankist;35722743]what the fuck was your childhood like were you not allowed to open windows [editline]26th April 2012[/editline] were your parents apple fanatics[/QUOTE] Kind of hard when you can't reach them and or walk to them.
[QUOTE=Klammyxxl;35704609]I smoke cigarettes and fully support this. Cigarettes are pointless, addictive, and dangerous. They serve absolutely no purpose in today's society. In fact, they're damaging as a whole to our society.[/QUOTE] Cig are the best dessert ever to me, right after a diner or something, its hard to explain. I used to smoke a package (25 Cig) every 2-3 days, 2 years later im still smoking, but now a package may last between 1-2 week, i naturally got somewhat sick of it and never really had an "Addiction feeling" even 2 years ago. But canabis will likely be for a long time, will need a lot of effort and time to stop it.
I'm all for the part about banning smoking in cars with children. In fact, thry should ban all smoking around children. Nothing infuriates me more than seeing a young mother smoking while pushing a pushchair. It makes me want to go over to them, stub out their cigarette and give them a damn good talking to.
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