• Pack Of Cigarettes 'May Rise To $100' In NZ
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[QUOTE=Lankist;35740574]We as in society. We as in those "most people [who] have a certain attitude towards the harder drugs out there" [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] You say that because other drugs are banned, regardless of whether that's right, we should go ahead and ban everything else just to even it out. That's like saying we should ban pornography because, shit, prostitution is already illegal.[/QUOTE] Prostitution isn't illegal where I live though, however soliciting is. But yeah, essentially I'm saying, if you're going to ban one part, ban the entire thing, or fuck off entirely. But I guess I have a personal bias against this sort of thing, considering my parents caused me to have health problems as a result of their "personal freedom of choice" and I watched my grandfather shrivel into the equivalent of a helpless infant due to lung cancer before dying an agonizing death.
That's incredibly dumb. Did no one ever tell you that two wrongs dont make a right
[QUOTE=Lankist;35740265]THC doesn't damage your lungs. Smoking anything at all does.[/QUOTE] Good job on not reading the article I posted
[QUOTE=Lankist;35740635]That's incredibly dumb. Did no one ever tell you that two wrongs dont make a right[/QUOTE] Treating everything with a similar attitude the same is "two wrongs"
[QUOTE=GodKing;35740668]Treating everything with a similar attitude the same is "two wrongs"[/QUOTE] No, doing things because "why the fuck not" is wrong. [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Stormcharger;35740665]Good job on not reading the article I posted[/QUOTE] sorry ill go back and read that blog im sure it will be very informative
[QUOTE=Lankist;35740694]No, doing things because "why the fuck not" is wrong. [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] sorry ill go back and read that blog im sure it will be very informative[/QUOTE] Dude its a scientific study that the blog posted, it was just the first result on google when I was looking for the study. Its a legitimate 20 year study so don't be a condescending prick.
Then give me a link to the study and some references for its peer review. I don't waste my time reading aggregate bullshit, dude. The differences between the studies and the way stoners interpret the studies is pretty fucking vast.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35740694]No, doing things because "why the fuck not" is wrong.[/QUOTE] That's pretty much Japan's attitude towards everything where most of the world is reserved and they're doing all right. But I don't think that's at all what I'm saying and you're trying to vaguely skew what I've said.
We're not talking about prosperity we're talking about rights. The world can eat shit and die if that's what it takes to preserve individual rights.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35740738]Then give me a link to the study and some references for its peer review. I don't waste my time reading aggregate bullshit, dude. The differences between the studies and the way stoners interpret the studies is pretty fucking vast.[/QUOTE] [url]http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/307/2/173.short[/url]
-snip, did not see that page coming-
[QUOTE=Lankist;35740749]We're not talking about prosperity we're talking about rights. The world can eat shit and die if that's what it takes to preserve individual rights.[/QUOTE] Is that not exactly what I just said? I have the right to choose, so others shouldn't be able to impose their choices on me. And if the government is going to limit [i]my choice[/i], why should others be allowed to make theirs? It should be all for all or nothing for anyone.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35740694]No, doing things because "why the fuck not" is wrong.[/QUOTE] Who's doing it for that reason? It's a double standard thing. All the harder drugs can kill you and are considered dangerous, and even though you could debate all day about whether cigarettes are actually good or bad for you it's considered dangerous from numerous sources. In my eyes if marijuana is banned I don't see why cigarettes wouldn't be, either, so there's an apparent double standard.
You know that's just testing lung capacity right [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=GodKing;35740774]Is that not exactly what I just said? I have the right to choose, so others shouldn't be able to impose their choices on me. And if the government is going to limit [i]my choice[/i], why should others be allowed to make theirs? It should be all for all or nothing for anyone.[/QUOTE] You are responsible for your own shit. Nobody is limiting your choices. Open a window or leave the fucking room. You don't have the right to walk into a room and start demanding people respect you. No. Respect is not a mandate. You deal with your own shit.
[QUOTE=GodKing;35740603]Prostitution isn't illegal where I live though, however soliciting is. But yeah, essentially I'm saying, if you're going to ban one part, ban the entire thing, or fuck off entirely. But I guess I have a personal bias against this sort of thing, considering my parents caused me to have health problems as a result of their "personal freedom of choice" and I watched my grandfather shrivel into the equivalent of a helpless infant due to lung cancer before dying an agonizing death.[/QUOTE] Not to be rude or anything but that's not really anyone's fault but theirs. your parents should have known better than to smoke around you when you were little (or did they smoke while you were in the womb?? idk). there are warnings on the cartons to prevent this sort of thing. i get that you've got a bias against smoking, its understandable, i can relate. but taking away people's freedom of choice is a really shitty way of handling that bias. we don't need governments telling people what they can and can't do to themselves. ban on smoking in public areas? fine, it prevents second hand smoke from hurting someone who didn't want it. ban on smoking in private? that's dumb.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35740789]You know that's just testing lung capacity right [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] You are responsible for your own shit. Nobody is limiting your choices. Open a window or leave the fucking room. You don't have the right to walk into a room and start demanding people respect you. No. Respect is not a mandate. You deal with your own shit.[/QUOTE] Okay, so you're saying it's fine that we fuck people for innocently smoking dope at home (or whatever they want to do with their life), and those who make a living off selling, but if I want to walk into a coffee shop (a place for EVERYONE) and sit there with a friend who has also chosen not to abuse their body with harmful substances, we can go fuck ourselves
[QUOTE=GodKing;35740838]Okay, so you're saying it's fine that we fuck people for innocently smoking dope at home (or whatever they want to do with their life), and those who make a living off selling, but if I want to walk into a coffee shop (a place for EVERYONE) and sit there with a friend who has also chosen not to abuse their body with harmful substances, we can go fuck ourselves[/QUOTE] I didn't say I think pot should be illegal, did I? [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] I'm pretty sure I said the opposite of that! [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] Oh my, it's as though you're spending more time typing things than reading things
I think there needs to be a little more respect from smokers though. It's real easy to get stuck with a smoker and have no real choice in whether you can leave or not - aka waiting in line in an area that doesn't prohibit smoking. I've met some pretty kind smokers that are considerate in those kinds of situations and I've met some real jerks that feel they're entitled to all the air around them. I don't really care about second-hand smoke but when they're blowing it everywhere and into everyone's face they need to be removed.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35740846]I didn't say I think pot should be illegal, did I? [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] I'm pretty sure I said the opposite of that! [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] Oh my, it's as though you're spending more time typing things than reading things[/QUOTE] Uh, I read that you said nobody is limiting my choices and yet most substances are illegal for even personal, private consumption and in some places it is severely policed. And yet you're telling me that I should alter my behaviour and routine based on someone else's poor decision making skills because it's their goddamn right to breathe cancer into my face.
[QUOTE=GodKing;35740893]Uh, I read that you said nobody is limiting my choices and yet most substances are illegal for even personal, private consumption and in some places it is severely policed. And yet you're telling me that I should alter my behaviour and routine based on someone else's poor decision making skills because it's their goddamn right to breathe cancer into my face.[/QUOTE] Hey look at you not reading a goddamn thing I say.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35740915]Hey look at you not reading a goddamn thing I say.[/QUOTE] [quote]Nobody is limiting your choices. Open a window or leave the fucking room.[/quote] My only choice is deal with second hand smoke when I've chosen not to or else I don't get to enjoy the same things smokers get to. (not to mention I had no choice as a fetus/infact/child and I'm glad that law was passed). Okay. By the way, did I mention this isn't someone's private property I'm in but a public service?
Define "public."
[QUOTE=Lankist;35740951]Define "public."[/QUOTE] Any place where the general public is permitted to enter in order to receive service. I mean I don't know where you're going with this, I can't very well walk into a coffee shop with a beer or a joint, so why should someone be allowed to sit there and fill the air with a plume of death?
Coffee shops aren't public property. The owner of that property makes the etiquette rules, not you.
then go to a coffee shop where smoking isn't allowed inside or a restaurant that does the same idk about where you live but pretty much everywhere in my town that isn't a bar is nonsmoking or has nonsmoking sections
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;35740980]then go to a coffee shop where smoking isn't allowed inside or a restaurant that does the same idk about where you live but pretty much everywhere in my town that isn't a bar is nonsmoking or has nonsmoking sections[/QUOTE] And there's plenty of no-smoking bars. Shit, go to a Ruby Tuesday if you're desperate. Don't go to a Hard Times or something if you aren't going to season your chili with ashes. You don't own MY go-to bar. You can't waltz in there and start making demands. Mostly because you'll get your ass kicked, but for other reasons too. [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] Man I really want to go to a gay bar but all these gay dudes keep grinding on me
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;35740980]then go to a coffee shop where smoking isn't allowed inside or a restaurant that does the same idk about where you live but pretty much everywhere in my town that isn't a bar is nonsmoking or has nonsmoking sections[/QUOTE] We used to have smoking sections. They've been banned. Smokers now smoke outside or in their private residence/vehicle (provided they don't have a minor on the premises) or they don't smoke at all. It's more than fair considering I can't just walk into a coffee shop and do a line of coke off the table, and while I'm at it blow the coke through a straw at the person sitting adjacent to me because hell I've made the choice to and people have to respect my goddamn freedom to choose. You can't smoke on an airplane, but I see lots of ash trays installed, which means they obviously felt it was a perfectly acceptable thing to do at some point. [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;35740997]Man I really want to go to a gay bar but all these gay dudes keep grinding on me[/QUOTE] How the hell is that in the least bit comparable to what I'm suggesting? I don't go to coffee shops for second hand smoke, I go there for coffee, just as you wouldn't go to a gay bar expecting heterosexual interaction only.
[QUOTE=GodKing;35741049]We used to have smoking sections. They've been banned. Smokers now smoke outside or in their private residence/vehicle (provided they don't have a minor on the premises) or they don't smoke at all.[/QUOTE] ...so what's the problem???? that people shouldn't smoke because they can't do crack and heroin?? [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] tbh this "all or nothing" policy you'd like to see put in place is kind of retarded
[QUOTE=Lankist;35732773]I'm not saying I'm okay with pot being banned. I'm saying you shouldn't talk about it like it's healthy when you say it should be legal, because that's so patently wrong that it undermines your own argument. You gotta focus on personal choice, not on supposed health benefits. It's about as bad as the "GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE" bullshit the NRA spews. I'm all for the Second Amendment, but you can't fucking pretend they aren't tools of death.[/QUOTE] You're a very negative person. Whether you're statements are true or not, you turn completely innocent posts into complete shitstorms. Stop being so fucking aggressive, Jesus Christ. You're posts are shaving more years off our lives via stress than the fucking cigarettes.
This is dumb and bad and the NZ government should feel bad for even entertaining such a dumb tax hike, but man if there is one product I could not care less about being taxed it's cigarettes. I honestly cannot fathom why people still choose to smoke these days, beyond having developed the habit in their early years from trying to look cool. Because really, you can't use the nicotine argument because nicotine is available in several far cheaper and far better dosed products (there's even nicotine energy drinks now) that don't come with the health wrecking combustion of materials into your lungs. So basically what people are paying for is stained teeth, compromised health and smelling like shit all for a mediocre drug they could get for cheaper in other forms. What the fuck?
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