[QUOTE=Mabus;23654532]I don't see how your sexual preference would get you discharged from any military. I think your being a bit militant, pardon the pun.[/QUOTE]
someone failed to read the OP
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23654522]It's called the "don't ask don't tell" you don't ask.[/QUOTE]
But people DO ask, that's the problem. And it only covers gay people, so it's blatantly discriminatory. If you couldn't ask anyone about their private life, then it would be fair. Insane, but fair.
Why don't you just admit you're a homophobe? You would still be an idiot, but at least you would be an honest idiot rather than hem-hawing around the fact by trying to say you're not when you're saying obviously homophobic things.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23654406]He shouldn't really admit that to strangers, don't you think?[/QUOTE]
Ah. But here's the thing. He should be able to do so WITHOUT fear of persecution, WITHOUT fear of discrimination, WITHOUT fear of being treated differently. Just because before that conversation you didn't know he was gay doesn't mean he wasn't. He was. And just because he said he was gay doesn't mean he is going to be ANY different a person than who he was before. Do you see what I'm saying? He was just a normal person, like the rest of the soldiers. And now that he admits me being gay, simply because he was ASKED, he gets treated differently, worse?
Please, explain to me how this makes sense.
[QUOTE=JDK721;23654490]but if someone DOES ask them and they say yes then they get discharged
don't you see the blatant discrimination
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lol
you don't have any room to talk. you're a fucking idiot who supports discrimination.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for proving my point buddy, I'm a fucking idiot because i disagree with you. Sorry, I'm not an idiot, I'm not a BIGOT just because I disagree with you. I'm saying they shouldn't talk about it, which they SHOULDN'T BECAUSE THERE'S NO REASON. Sure, kicking them out in the example you gave is wrong.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23654522]It's called the "don't ask don't tell" you don't ask.[/QUOTE]
yet soldiers ask anyways and the person gets discharged
and the person in the OP was asked on a TV show, and he was discharged for saying he's gay
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23654564]Thanks for proving my point buddy, I'm a fucking idiot because i disagree with you. Sorry, I'm not an idiot, I'm not a BIGOT just because I disagree with you. I'm saying they shouldn't talk about it, which they SHOULDN'T BECAUSE THERE'S NO REASON. Sure, kicking them out in the example you gave is wrong.[/QUOTE]
Nah, you're not a fucking idiot because you're disagreeing with someone. You're a fucking idiot because of what you're arguing about, and you're a fucking idiot for being a homophobe.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23654547]But people DO ask, that's the problem. And it only covers gay people, so it's blatantly discriminatory. If you couldn't ask anyone about their private life, then it would be fair. Insane, but fair.
Why don't you just admit you're a homophobe? You would still be an idiot, but at least you would be an honest idiot rather than hem-hawing around the fact by trying to say you're not when you're saying obviously homophobic things.[/QUOTE]
Shut the fuck up, I'm not an idiot just because I disagree with you. You arrogant motherfucker, get over yourself.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23654564]Thanks for proving my point buddy, I'm a fucking idiot because i disagree with you. Sorry, I'm not an idiot, I'm not a BIGOT just because I disagree with you. I'm saying they shouldn't talk about it, which they SHOULDN'T BECAUSE THERE'S NO REASON. Sure, kicking them out in the example you gave is wrong.[/QUOTE]
so we should kick out all straight people too? they "flaunt" their sexuality far more than gays.
and you're an idiot because you support a blatant homophobic policy. homophobia is based on ignorance. you also claimed that gays flaunt their sexuality and are annoying.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23654564]Thanks for proving my point buddy, I'm a fucking idiot because i disagree with you. Sorry, I'm not an idiot, I'm not a BIGOT just because I disagree with you. I'm saying they shouldn't talk about it, which they SHOULDN'T BECAUSE THERE'S NO REASON. Sure, kicking them out in the example you gave is wrong.[/QUOTE]There is a reason, it's a large part of who we are.
Okay uhh, I quit. I see why I'm wrong and I see why I may act homophobic. I'm not an idiot, but if you want to believe that then go ahead, I know how you people are.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23654582]Shut the fuck up, I'm not an idiot just because I disagree with you. You arrogant motherfucker, get over yourself.[/QUOTE]
He isn't arrogant
You're just dense and stupid. You're circling round the same points this entire time, points which have been ripped to shreds every time you mention them. Don't you see that you are WRONG?
homophobia is based on ignorance
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23654582]Shut the fuck up, I'm not an idiot just because I disagree with you. You arrogant motherfucker, get over yourself.[/QUOTE]
I may be arrogant but at least i'm not a bigoted moron :colbert:
And you're a fucking bigot and a hypocrite because you're saying there's no reason to ask only regarding gay people. If you thought that no one should ask about any aspect of a person's private life, gay or straight, then you would still be stupid but not a bigot. As it stands, though, you support discrimination
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23654601]Okay uhh, I quit. I see why I'm wrong and I see why I may act homophobic. I'm not an idiot, but if you want to believe that then go ahead,[B] I know how you people are[/B].[/QUOTE]
Reasonable people who don't support discrimination based on something a person can't help?
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;23654613]He isn't arrogant
You're just dense and stupid. You're circling round the same points this entire time, points which have been ripped to shreds every time you mention them. Don't you see that you are WRONG?[/QUOTE]
ya
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23654601]Okay uhh, I quit. I see why I'm wrong and I see why I may act homophobic. I'm not an idiot, but if you want to believe that then go ahead, I know how you people are.[/QUOTE]
gays aren't gonna buttrape everyone they see contrary to what you think
Pardon me I just read the OP, I can't say that I agree with all the factors of the US militarys "don't ask don't tell" policy, but i see that a meaningful debate is beyond the question here.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23654564]Thanks for proving my point buddy, I'm a fucking idiot because i disagree with you. Sorry, I'm not an idiot, I'm not a BIGOT just because I disagree with you. I'm saying they shouldn't talk about it, which they SHOULDN'T BECAUSE THERE'S NO REASON. Sure, kicking them out in the example you gave is wrong.[/QUOTE]
What you seem to be saying, if I am correct is:
Straight people have the privilege to talk about their relations any way they want.
Gay people do not have the privilege to talk about their relations any way they want.
This is what DADT is. Supporting it is supporting that.
[QUOTE=JDK721;23654641]gays aren't gonna buttrape everyone they see contrary to what you think[/QUOTE]
Fuck off, I just tried to quit and you still try to keep going?
They can't discharge him just because he'd rather discharge himself on another man
[QUOTE=Mabus;23654652]Pardon me I just read the OP, I can't say that I agree with all the factors of the US militarys "don't ask don't tell" policy, but i see that a meaningful debate is beyond the question here.[/QUOTE]
What meaningful debate is there to be had? The policy is unreasonable and discriminatory, and should be gotten rid of. If homophobes have a problem with it, then that's their own damn fault. People shouldn't have to hide what they can't help because some jackasses have an issue with it.
At least I stuck up for what I believe in, and had the balls to admit I was wrong. I don't think that makes me an idiot.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23654727]At least I stuck up for what I believe in, and had the balls to admit I was wrong. I don't think that makes me an idiot.[/QUOTE]
You're fine people just get worked up about this.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23654727]At least I stuck up for what I believe in, and had the balls to admit I was wrong. I don't think that makes me an idiot.[/QUOTE]
so you admit you're a homophobe?
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23654727]At least I stuck up for what I believe in, and had the balls to admit I was wrong. I don't think that makes me an idiot.[/QUOTE]
Sticking to your beliefs when they're demonstrably wrong [I]is [/I]idiotic, so yes that makes you stupid. And call me skeptical, but methinks you said you were wrong not because you actually changed your mind, just because you realized your points were easily torn apart and got tired of arguing something that couldn't be argued. Like JDK said, so you admit you're a homophobe?
[QUOTE=JDK721;23654742]so you admit you're a homophobe?[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot, you're a plain and simple fucking retard. You're a shit poster, and don't fucking shut up. I made a mistake, I thought wrong, I admitted I was wrong. Get over yourself.
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[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23654748]Sticking to your beliefs when they're demonstrably wrong [I]is [/I]idiotic, so yes that makes you stupid.[/QUOTE]
It was all a matter of opinion, my past opinion doesn't make me an idiot. It makes me SMART to admit I was wrong and adopt a new opinion.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23654772]You're an idiot, you're a plain and simple fucking retard. You're a shit poster, and don't fucking shut up. I made a mistake, I thought wrong, I admitted I was wrong. Get over yourself.
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It was all a matter of opinion, my past opinion doesn't make me an idiot. It makes me SMART to admit I was wrong and adopt a new opinion.[/QUOTE]
What's your new opinion, then? And if you admit the previous one was wrong, and the previous one was blatantly homophobic, then logically you should admit you were a homophobe.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23654823]What's your new opinion, then? And if you admit the previous one was wrong, and the previous one was blatantly homophobic, then logically you should admit you were a homophobe.[/QUOTE]
Was a homophobe? No, I won't admit that. I always supported gay marriage, gay rights, gay everything. It was just THIS that I was a little negative towards gays, which is all I'll admit for you.
My new opinion is that gays should be able to be gay, and not get kicked out simply for being gay.
why would you support DADT if you support gay rights, etc.
that makes no sense
I dunno
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23654854]Was a homophobe? No, I won't admit that. I always supported gay marriage, gay rights, gay everything. It was just THIS that I was a little negative towards gays, which is all I'll admit for you.
My new opinion is that gays should be able to be gay, and not get kicked out simply for being gay.[/QUOTE]
I find it odd that you say you supported every other aspect of the gay rights movement, but were against the basic right to admit they were gay. But whatever, you admitted you were wrong and made it clear what you were wrong about, so I guess that's reasonable. I'm done then.
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