• Ohio Teen Attempts Suicide In Front of Classmates
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[QUOTE=imMonkeyGOD;40478825]Now that's just selfish of him to do it in front of a classroom and possibly traumatise his classmates.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that's the intention.
This may be pretty bad to think this, but maybe he was being bullied by the students he decided to get a "revenge" by suiciding in front of them.
I'm not referring to the teenager in the OP when I say this but, why do people think a sane person can't decide to end their life? Why does it immediately make someone mentally unsure if they make a decision like that?
[QUOTE=KorJax;40479113] People who desire to kill themselves in public/gruesome manners are honestly not so much mentally different than your average sociopath, except instead of killing other people to go out in a public attention-whoring blaze of glory they kill themselves to go out in a public attention-whoring blaze of glory I can't empathize with someone like that at all. He's quite literally an asshole that has zero standards and understanding of acceptable public behavior. The fact that it was an attempted suicide as the means just means that he wanted to do something that was way over the top while also killing himself. That said he needs help and I hope he gets it. I don't want to say he deserved to die or anything because he didn't, and I think he's a dick, but these are things that can be fixed and helped in the future. [/QUOTE] Nope. You can't assume he did this so he could cause a "public attention-whoring blaze of glory", you have absolutely no evidence for such an assertion and you should feel ashamed that you would inflict such an unwarranted label on a 17 year old kid who is suffering from mental health issues. How do you know the logic that went through his head when deciding to do this? How are you able to prove he wasn't delusional? Psychotic? Under the blinding spell of whatever condition he has, he was somehow able to reason that killing himself was the best way out of it. This student is sick, and his sickness caused him to do this. I'd recommend you think about the audacity you mustered up when calling this person a "dick"; mental sickness removes the ability for lucid thought. That's not his fucking decision. Holding hatred for people like this is cruel, the arguments saying that he should have just not done it publicly rely too heavily on the illusion of free will (I'd recommend referring to Sam Harris' lectures if you want further clarification on that).
[QUOTE=James xX;40479289][B]Maybe he did it because he couldn't do it at any other moment[/B]? It's as if you are grasping at straws here to prove that he did it to show off. In the article, it clearly shows that he was at the higher end of the class, and would obviously have known better. I don't appreciate much the insult. If you think my opinion is wrong, argue your point without resorting to insults.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=James xX;40479497]I would look into child psychology maybe, then come back to this thread when you have a point to stand on.[/QUOTE] he has thousands of other times to kill himself and you think that maybe that was the [B]only [/B]time he could have done it was infront of other people its obvious he wanted attention. You don't [B]try and kill yourself during class and want to be left alone[/B], no, that doesn't make any sense. If anything its at least meant to do this to seek help, and was desperate enough that he did it this way. and "Child psychology", he's 17, he's not a "Child". He's old enough to think independently. [QUOTE=SourBree;40481296]Nope. You can't assume he did this so he could cause a "public attention-whoring blaze of glory", you have absolutely no evidence for such an assertion and you should feel ashamed that you would inflict such an unwarranted label on a 17 year old kid who is suffering from mental health issues. How do you know the logic that went through his head when deciding to do this? How are you able to prove he wasn't delusional? Psychotic? Under the blinding spell of whatever condition he has, he was somehow able to reason that killing himself was the best way out of it. This student is sick, and his sickness caused him to do this. I'd recommend you think about the audacity you mustered up when calling this person a "dick"; mental sickness removes the ability for lucid thought. That's not his fucking decision. Holding hatred for people like this is cruel, the arguments saying that he should have just not done it publicly rely too heavily on the illusion of free will (I'd recommend referring to Sam Harris' lectures if you want further clarification on that).[/QUOTE] just move along he's an asshole its obvious he wanted attention but not because he's an "Attention whoring dickhead" no, he's a "Man in distress who needs support"
Here we go again. Debates from people who don't know what's it like to feel suicidal.
[QUOTE=l l;40481241]I'm not referring to the teenager in the OP when I say this but, why do people think a sane person can't decide to end their life? Why does it immediately make someone mentally unsure if they make a decision like that?[/QUOTE] The instinct of self-preservation isn't very easy to overcome.
This was a dumb post.
[QUOTE=DeEz;40481369]The instinct of self-preservation isn't very easy to overcome.[/QUOTE] it's easy if the person is twisted and bent hard enough. Once they are warped, it's hard to overcome the instinct of self-termination. Some people it's easy, for others, they are willing to kill others just to end themselves, or even worse. [QUOTE=4444;40481379]I know what it's like and I still think he's a douche.[/QUOTE] well its my opinion that your opinion is douchey but its still an opinion but you're still a douche
Maybe I'm a terrible person, but whenever I hear about people screwing up a suicide with a gun, I'm just struck. Like, a gun is so easy to kill yourself with, just stick the barrel against your temple and pull the trigger.
[QUOTE=Guitarplayer213;40481427]Maybe I'm a terrible person, but whenever I hear about people screwing up a suicide with a gun, I'm just struck. Like, a gun is so easy to kill yourself with, just stick the barrel against your temple and pull the trigger.[/QUOTE] Obviously you've never tried to kill yourself.
[QUOTE=imMonkeyGOD;40478825]Now that's just selfish of him to do it in front of a classroom and possibly traumatise his classmates.[/QUOTE] I think the entire point of it was to traumatise his classmates.
[QUOTE=4444;40481379]I know what it's like and I still think he's a douche.[/QUOTE] So you knew what it was like for him? You're suicidal feelings were/are identical to his? Mental illness (as you should know) pollutes the mind. You have no way of knowing what it felt like to be him or what delusion he suffered which caused him to make this decision. Again, I really think all these harsh judgements are from people who firmly believe in the idea of "free will". I feel Sam Harris has presented a very firm argument as to why it's cruel to judge people like this in his lectures on free will. You can find those lectures on YouTube, I'd recommend watching one.
[QUOTE=eddy-tt-;40478792]What a selfish way to do it. He's likely gonna feel even worse when he comes around.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=imMonkeyGOD;40478825]Now that's just selfish of him to do it in front of a classroom and possibly traumatise his classmates.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=eddy-tt-;40478921]"My life is shit, everything is shit, better show how shit it is to everyone else" Basically if someone goes and offs themselves infront of other people, they either do it cause attention for themselves or they don't care about the effects it'll present to over people. It's selfish.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=W00tbeer1;40479054]If you want to kill yourself do it in a way that doesn't intrude on other people's lives. Thank you.[/QUOTE] people like you assholes are the reason why depression/suicide/mental illness in general is such a taboo and misunderstood topic in our society. you think a person with depression is going to be encouraged to seek treatment when the majority of the population share terrible fucking opinions like yours?
[QUOTE=James xX;40479405]Him not having another place to do it is as good a reason as him wanting to show off.[/QUOTE] He could have easily done it in the bathroom or behind the school.
[QUOTE=SourBree;40481523]So you knew what it was like for him? You're suicidal feelings were/are identical to his? Mental illness (as you should know) pollutes the mind. You have no way of knowing what it felt like to be him or what delusion he suffered which caused him to make this decision. Again, I really think all these harsh judgements are from people who firmly believe in the idea of "free will". I feel Sam Harris has presented a very firm argument as to why it's cruel to judge people like this in his lectures on free will. You can find those lectures on YouTube, I'd recommend watching one.[/QUOTE]Well I feel kinda stupid now. There's certainly plenty of thought processes and beliefs that would change drastically during the times that I felt the worst. I guess I never considered that morality could have been one of them. That's quite scary actually.
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;40481619]He could have easily done it in the bathroom or behind the school.[/QUOTE] it's easy to judge someone (a suicidal person no less) for their actions and what they "could have" or "should have" done when looking from an outside perspective isn't it?
[QUOTE=Guitarplayer213;40481427]Maybe I'm a terrible person, but whenever I hear about people screwing up a suicide with a gun, I'm just struck. Like, a gun is so easy to kill yourself with, just stick the barrel against your temple and pull the trigger.[/QUOTE] That's actually untrue. First of all, there's a good chance you'll flinch before pulling the trigger and accidentally shoot a different part of your head that doesn't kill you but severely cripples you. Plus, the brain isn't going to just shut down if one bullet gets lodged into it. That kind of depends on the part of the brain, and it's more likely to be effective with more bullets. [I]The more you know[/I] Also, most people here are calling him selfish because he's looking for attention, but these people seem to be thinking of the wrong type of attention-seeking. This guy clearly wanted people to [I]care[/I] about him, not just [I]notice[/I] him. He must've known that killing himself during class would be a big deal, and it seems to me that he was trying to make some sort of wake-up call to a select few people, and he figured that a public display would be an effective way to go about it. He wanted to get a point across, and in order to do that he wanted to kill himself right in front of these people. It's far more effective than having them just read about it and go "Oh, gee", then be done with it. I'm sure that the latter option would have stirred the hearts of [I]some,[/I] but he was going for more of a poignant approach.
[QUOTE=W00tbeer1;40479054]If you want to kill yourself do it in a way that doesn't intrude on other people's lives. Thank you.[/QUOTE] Where's the fun in that? If I kill myself... I'm gonna go downtown, climb the biggest tree... tie a jumping rope around my neck and hang myself, while wearing clown make-up and a red nose.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;40481747]it's easy to judge someone (a suicidal person no less) for their actions and what they "could have" or "should have" done when looking from an outside perspective isn't it?[/QUOTE] I am not judging, I am commenting on the fact that he said it could have been the only place he could do it.
[QUOTE=salty peanut v2;40478797]there was an attempt [/QUOTE] [IMG]http://apotential.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/there-was-an-attempt.jpg[/IMG] I'd imagine those kids were traumatized, but at the same time, what possible reason would he have done this for?
[QUOTE=Guitarplayer213;40481427]Maybe I'm a terrible person, but whenever I hear about people screwing up a suicide with a gun, I'm just struck. Like, a gun is so easy to kill yourself with, just stick the barrel against your temple and pull the trigger.[/QUOTE] Actually the skull might deflect the shot away from the brain, the sure way to do it is to put it in your mouth and shoot up at the brain.
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;40481756]That's actually untrue. First of all, there's a good chance you'll flinch before pulling the trigger and accidentally shoot a different part of your head that doesn't kill you but severely cripples you. Plus, the brain isn't going to just shut down if one bullet gets lodged into it. That kind of depends on the part of the brain, and it's more likely to be effective with more bullets. [I]The more you know[/I] Also, most people here are calling him selfish because he's looking for attention, but these people seem to be thinking of the wrong type of attention-seeking. This guy clearly wanted people to [I]care[/I] about him, not just [I]notice[/I] him. He must've known that killing himself during class would be a big deal, and it seems to me that he was trying to make some sort of wake-up call to a select few people, and he figured that a public display would be an effective way to go about it. He wanted to get a point across, and in order to do that he wanted to kill himself right in front of these people. It's far more effective than having them just read about it and go "Oh, gee", then be done with it. I'm sure that the latter option would have stirred the hearts of [I]some,[/I] but he was going for more of a poignant approach.[/QUOTE] Reposting for this page, just 'cause.
[QUOTE=Xion12;40481858]what possible reason would he have done this for?[/QUOTE] My guess would be revenge for his torment [img]http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF050-An_End_to_Gopher_Trouble.gif[/img]
People who attempt to kill themselves aren't usually assholes who just want the easy way out. They feel like others have made their life shit their entire lives and probably don't have many good memories. The kids in his class probably bullied him and he felt the only way to get back at them and make people finally care about him was suicide. Of course it's selfish but he just wanted people to care and maybe to get back at some people. I don't consider suicide to be something only a coward can do, death is the greatest unknown and we have every reason to fear it. You don't know if you'll end up in paradise, hell, or just be gone. And to be clear I don't think people should ever attempt suicide.
[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;40482015]People who attempt to kill themselves aren't usually assholes who just want the easy way out. They feel like others have made their life shit their entire lives and probably don't have many good memories. The kids in his class probably bullied him and he felt the only way to get back at them and make people finally care about him was suicide. Of course it's selfish but he just wanted people to care and maybe to get back at some people. I don't consider suicide to be something only a coward can do, death is the greatest unknown and we have every reason to fear it. You don't know if you'll end up in paradise, hell, or just be gone. And to be clear I don't think people should ever attempt suicide.[/QUOTE] Conscience does make cowards of us all.
Happened about 20 minutes away from me. I mean, I think it is kind of selfish of him to try suicide, but it'd prove a good point to his classmates.
[QUOTE=W00tbeer1;40479054]If you want to kill yourself do it in a way that doesn't intrude on other people's lives. Thank you.[/QUOTE] That's a pretty stupid thing to say. No man is an island, if you're going to kill yourself you're going to "intrude on other people's live" regardless of where or when you do it.
[QUOTE=J!NX;40481338]he has thousands of other times to kill himself and you think that maybe that was the [B]only [/B]time he could have done it was infront of other people[/QUOTE] Maybe he didn't want his parents to be the ones to find him? I think I'd rather scar a bunch of assholes for life than my parents.
O.K. coming from someone who has nearly killed themselves on several occasions and very nearly brought a gun to school It is very had to understand what these people are feeling and what is going on in their heads unless you have been in that situation. [B][I]We have absolutely NO IDEA what goes on in this person's life.[/I][/B] To say that after being pushed this far and after all the things he's gone through that he is [U]selfish[/U]? That it's [U]his[/U] fault he has problems and needs to see someone? Saying that is infinitely more selfish and awful then what he did.
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