[QUOTE=No_0ne;40482130]That's a pretty stupid thing to say. No man is an island, if you're going to kill yourself you're going to "intrude on other people's live" regardless of where or when you do it.[/QUOTE]
Nobody ever spares any thought to the morticians.
If the guy is suicidal then he doesn't care about his own life, let alone the lives of others. That seems like a simple enough concept
although it is kind of selfish, he could be in a spot where he gets bullied and no one takes him seriously when he says it hurts or whatever and he was trying to prove how much it affected him. I've been in this situation (not putting a gun to my head) where people just wouldn't realize how much it affected me after I told them and I always wanted to show them how much but in this case I never did.
It's never good to hear of someone who thinks taking their life is the only way out, but fuck anyone who thinks they can endanger the physical or psychological state of people around them in the process.
[QUOTE=Meatloaf;40482337]It's never good to hear of someone who thinks taking their life is the only way out, but fuck anyone who thinks they can endanger the physical or psychological state of people around them in the process.[/QUOTE]
Keep contributing to the ignorance of this world
How do you miss when youre pressing your gun against what youre aiming at?
[QUOTE=Meatloaf;40482337]but fuck anyone who thinks they can endanger the physical or psychological state of people around them in the process.[/QUOTE]
like the people who drive a teenager to suicide
[QUOTE=No_0ne;40482130]That's a pretty stupid thing to say. No man is an island, if you're going to kill yourself you're going to "intrude on other people's live" regardless of where or when you do it.[/QUOTE]
yes but there are ways to do it that probably don't involve traumatizing an entire classroom.
Gotta do it infront of someone else it won't make news!
Seriously, I failed at suicide once and I was like "oh shit what if someone would've seen me"
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;40479454]Shooting yourself in front of your class is a desperate cry for help.[/QUOTE]
A cry for help?
I can see where you're going from, but he shot himself in the fucking head. That's a pretty solid indication that he had no intention of surviving
"Suicide is selfish! Especially so if it's around other people."
I agree guys, people really should be more considerate of others when killing themselves. Likewise, depressed people should really just get over it. After all, as a random person completely disconnected from them and in no comparable situation, you're in the perfect position to judge.
I hope he isn't going to be disabled after this.
This school is about 100 feet from my grandparents' house. When I would go and visit them I could look out the window and see it. I've played sports games against this school.
Stuff like this seems a lot heavier when it's closer to home.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;40479424][QUOTE]all-male Catholic school[/QUOTE]Well, at least we know why he did it.[/QUOTE]
Maybe he's gay.
I mean, it would seem like a good (worst choice of a word) reason. If he felt that the way he learned was sinful (as taught every year in his own school) and he ended up feeling he was a terrible person because of it, he would end up being depressed. Obviously that's just one of the possibilities, but I'm pretty sure we can agree that he was (and still is) depressed.
And depression isn't something you can just snap out of. Hopefully the kid gets some help.
[QUOTE=DeveloperConsol;40483384]I hope he isn't going to be disabled after this.[/QUOTE]
I don't know the details but if I were to guess I would say he's going to have permanent damage.
He'll go through the course, get better, and then make a final attempt when he's cured of his mental illness.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;40481524]people like you assholes are the reason why depression/suicide/mental illness in general is such a taboo and misunderstood topic in our society. you think a person with depression is going to be encouraged to seek treatment when the majority of the population share terrible fucking opinions like yours?[/QUOTE]
The kid is 17 years old. Stop treating him like he's 8 years old. Resources are available everywhere, he needs to realize that he has a problem and he needs to attempt to fix it. If he doesn't want to to do this and just skip ahead to ending his life, but all means do it. Don't be selfish though and bring it in front of others.
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;40482208]Maybe he didn't want his parents to be the ones to find him? I think I'd rather scar a bunch of assholes for life than my parents.[/QUOTE]
that would be far worse on the parents though as they'd have to deal with [I]other[/I] parents AND the bad attention AND everything else.
best off doing it purely secluded I guess. Theres no [I]right way[/I] of killing yourself.
[editline]30th April 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Justnobody;40482209]O.K. coming from someone who has nearly killed themselves on several occasions and very nearly brought a gun to school
It is very had to understand what these people are feeling and what is going on in their heads unless you have been in that situation. [B][I]We have absolutely NO IDEA what goes on in this person's life.[/I][/B]
To say that after being pushed this far and after all the things he's gone through that he is [U]selfish[/U]? That it's [U]his[/U] fault he has problems and needs to see someone?
Saying that is infinitely more selfish and awful then what he did.[/QUOTE]
He could be gay and could have been bent on the edge
he could have been bullied to the edge
he could've had a tumor in a specific part of the brain
he could have had a mental disorder
he could have been an attention whore
he could have simply wanted to make a point
theres trillions of things that could have happened, as you said.
[QUOTE=J!NX;40483851]that would be far worse on the parents though as they'd have to deal with [I]other[/I] parents AND the bad attention AND everything else.[/QUOTE]
I don't know. I think just hearing other parents bitch would be easier than them finding their son dead with blood everywhere.
[QUOTE=Reds;40483356]Likewise, depressed people should really just get over it.[/QUOTE]
Wow.
Anyways I'm in NoShogun's situation. I'm very familiar with the school, and know some of the faculty/staff. We even have a lacrosse game against them this Friday... It's a pretty crazy situation.
[quote=w00tbeer1]If he doesn't want to to do this and just skip ahead to ending his life, but all means do it. Don't be selfish though and bring it in front of others.[/quote]
But you can be selfish enough to allow someone to take their own life?
[QUOTE=sedarahC;40478966][video=youtube;MS91knuzoOA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS91knuzoOA[/video]
Going to leave this song as a tribute, it's based on a kid who did something extremely similar.[/QUOTE]
Immediately thought of this when I saw the title.
What a horrible thing to do though.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;40482269]If the guy is suicidal then he doesn't care about his own life, let alone the lives of others. That seems like a simple enough concept[/QUOTE]
you really have no idea what you're talking about, please stop pretending you do
(hint hint I was depressed and if I hadn't cared about the lives of others I wouldn't be talking to you right now)
I remember this phrase from an anime (ghost in the shell: stand alone complex 2):
"What is commonly referred to as a suicide bomb, is a desperate weapon of last resort that's used when people lose the last shred of hope for their future".
In basic terms, I guess he did this to at least let people know what his last act on earth was.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;40482269]If the guy is suicidal then he doesn't care about his own life, let alone the lives of others. That seems like a simple enough concept[/QUOTE]
If he didn't care about his own life, do you think he'd care enough to kill himself?
[sp]facepunch gets deep[/sp]
Is there an update on the teen? Is he doing okay?
Is he gonna live and be not in a coma or anything :v
What a cunt.
Killing himself is one thing, but scarring and traumatizing other people while doing it?
[QUOTE=W00tbeer1;40483543]The kid is 17 years old. Stop treating him like he's 8 years old. [b]Resources are available everywhere[/b][/QUOTE]
lmao
getting help under 18 is impossible unless your parents get it for you (which they don't - they're always in denial and think mommy and daddy's little boy or girl is perfect and can never be depressed) , while getting help over 18 basically spells financial ruin if you require anything more than biweekly therapy appointments. Not to mention the stigma.
[QUOTE=Araknid;40485319]What a cunt.
Killing himself is one thing, but scarring and traumatizing other people while doing it?[/QUOTE]
obviously one is at their most logical when they're contemplating suicide
Hard for people with depression and suicidal thoughts to go forward and ask for help when you have people saying "UGH SELFISH" and "WHAT AN IDIOT IM GLAD HE DIED"
[editline]30th April 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=W00tbeer1;40483543]The kid is 17 years old. Stop treating him like he's 8 years old. Resources are available everywhere, he needs to realize that he has a problem and he needs to attempt to fix it. If he doesn't want to to do this and just skip ahead to ending his life, but all means do it. Don't be selfish though and bring it in front of others.[/QUOTE]
Anybody who says "there are plenty of resources" has obviously never been depressed and looking for help. It's really tough to muster up the courage to ask for help. I told my parents I felt awful and depressed all the time, and they [I]didn't believe me.[/I] But that's just me. Others have had it a lot harder.
Also as Zeke said, if you're an adult getting therapy and shit is very expensive.
I'd considered suicide a few points during late elementary school.
Blah blah, parents' divorce, blah blah, minority in school, blah blah, excluded and bullied, blah.
I think, more than anything, I wanted to make [I]someone[/I] feel as shitty as that someone may have made me feel. Suicide seemed like an easy remedy to that.
Though I also felt like, if I died, it wouldn't bother anyone much.
[B]Some suicidal people don't factor in the pain they cause others, because they feel that they're so unloved and insignificant that it wouldn't make any major difference in anyone's life, regardless.[/B]
In any case if any of the students are traumatised by this, [i]"they should just get over it"[/i].
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