Vermont: Shumlin signs nation’s first single-payer health care bill into law
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[QUOTE=amute;30091314]I was talking about them being Satellite states.[/QUOTE]
In a way I suppose, but they were still SSRs of the USSR, in a similar manner that States are what make up the United States, but SSRs had more autonomy than states do.
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;30091331]they werent though
countries like poland, czechoslovakia, romania, those were satellite states[/QUOTE]
Also the German Democratic Republic, or East Germany. That was a satellite state.
a satellite state has to be considered formally independent
ukraine wasnt formally independent, it was formally part of the ussr
it couldnt be considered a satellite
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30091300]oh yea and all the people killed for not believing in the government
the ussr was an evil empire
denying that is denying history[/QUOTE]
Most of the people who died under Stalinist rule were militant separatists and most of the two million civilian deaths were either caused by famine during war or simply being in a city that was under siege.
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;30091422]Most of the people who died under Stalinist rule were militant separatists and most of the two million civilian deaths were either caused by famine during war or simply being in a city that was under siege.[/QUOTE]
but over a million died in the Gulags. that's an oppressive regime.
god USSR fetishists are one of the worst detriments to the advancement of far-left ideologies
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;30091422]Most of the people who died under Stalinist rule were militant separatists and most of the two million civilian deaths were either caused by famine during war or simply being in a city that was under siege.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jews#Soviet_Union[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag#After_World_War_II[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge[/url]
yea only militant separatists were persecuted right
If I were to go anywhere in America, it would be Vermont.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30091453]but over a million died in the Gulags. that's an oppressive regime.
god USSR fetishists are one of the worst detriments to the advancement of far-left ideologies[/QUOTE]
I forgot about the Gulag, But I suppose I like the Soviet Union for its might and manifesto more than its "lesser" qualities.
The USSR doesn't have many greater qualities.
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;30091577]I forgot about the Gulag, But I suppose I like the Soviet Union for its might and manifesto more than its "lesser" qualities.[/QUOTE]
Might is no virtue at all though.
I can give a tip of my hat to Gorbachev's years, but the rest of Soviet history (besides the space/science programs) was nothing but bad.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30091331]they werent though
countries like poland, czechoslovakia, romania, those were satellite states
ukraine, lithuania, belorussia, kazahkstan, etc. were members states in that union[/QUOTE]
uh
[QUOTE=amute;30091027]There was one "SSR", the rest were satellite states.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=amute;30091027]There was one "SSR", [B]the rest were satellite states[/B].[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=amute;30092506]uh
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no they werent
the rest of them were ssr's
countries like kazahkstan and belorussia were NOT satellites
They could be both
[QUOTE=amute;30092506]uh
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It's wrong. There were 15 SSRs united in a federation, the USSR. Hence the name "United Soviet Socialist Republics" just like the "United States." Think of them like U.S. states. Then there were satellite states, de jure independent de facto Soviet controlled. Ukraine for example was de jure Soviet de facto Soviet while Poland was de jure Polish de facto Soviet.
You wouldn't consider California a satellite state of the U.S. would you?
[QUOTE=Lambeth;30092551]They could be both[/QUOTE]
not really no
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30091372]a satellite state has to be considered formally independent
ukraine wasnt formally independent, it was formally part of the ussr
it couldnt be considered a satellite[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;30091577]I forgot about the Gulag, But I suppose I like the Soviet Union for its might and manifesto more than its "lesser" qualities.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it had a good economy and military fuck the deaths of tens of millions of peasants and genocide or deportation of different ethnicities to Siberia.
Yay comrade!
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;30091577]I forgot about the Gulag, But I suppose I like the Soviet Union for its might and manifesto more than its "lesser" qualities.[/QUOTE]
You enjoy dictators who kill millions of people in the name of communism?
[QUOTE='[DJ Ria];30092643']You enjoy dictators who kill millions of people in the name of communism?[/QUOTE]
hey dont knock the ussr they had might n manifesto that makes up for it
[QUOTE=RBM11v2;30092578]It's wrong. There were 15 SSRs united in a federation, the USSR. Hence the name "United Soviet Socialist Republics" just like the "United States." Think of them like U.S. states. Then there were satellite states, de jure independent de facto Soviet controlled. Ukraine for example was de jure Soviet de facto Soviet while Poland was de jure Polish de facto Soviet.
You wouldn't consider California a satellite state of the U.S. would you?[/QUOTE]
Ah, well, I was mistaken. I was under the impression non-satellite states were under the Soviet government and were dissolved into the Soviet state itself.
[QUOTE=amute;30092734]Ah, well, I was mistaken. I was under the impression non-satellite states were under the Soviet government and were dissolved into the Soviet state itself.[/QUOTE]
Not quite.
[QUOTE=amute;30092734]Ah, well, I was mistaken. I was under the impression non-satellite states were under the Soviet government and were dissolved into the Soviet state itself.[/QUOTE]
nah i think the baltic states(latvia, estonia, lithuania) were the only states i can think of that were occupied and then became part of the soviet union
states like poland still remained independent, but were ran by a party and leader friendly to the ussr
its sorta like chile, the us forced a coup on chile to implement a dictator friendly to us interests, so you could think of chile as a satellite of the us during that period, but they werent a state, and were still technically independent as long as the operated in a way that was beneficial to the us
this thread was supposed to be about single-payer health care in vermont
[QUOTE=amute;30092734]Ah, well, I was mistaken. I was under the impression non-satellite states were under the Soviet government and were dissolved into the Soviet state itself.[/QUOTE]
The central government did have a huge amount of control over the republics, much more than the U.S. government has over its states so that's not entirely untrue.
Best news from my state I've heard in a while.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30092783]nah i think the baltic states(latvia, estonia, lithuania) were the only states i can think of that were occupied and then became part of the soviet union
states like poland still remained independent, but were ran by a party and leader friendly to the ussr
its sorta like chile, the us forced a coup on chile to implement a dictator friendly to us interests, so you could think of chile as a satellite of the us during that period, but they werent a state, and were still technically independent as long as the operated in a way that was beneficial to the us[/QUOTE]
Ah, well that makes sense.
Always thought they were under the Soviet government.
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[QUOTE=RBM11v2;30092915]The central government did have a huge amount of control over the republics, much more than the U.S. government has over its states so that's not entirely untrue.[/QUOTE]
That's why I originally thought they were directly controlled.
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