• Canada: Starting today, wearing a mask at a riot/unlawful assembly carries a 10-year maximum prison
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at least it deters people from going out in public in a guy fawkes mask who wanted an excuse to wear one, which is always just a distraction from everything else. same with holding signs that say "[citation needed]" and stuff like "I'm mad about something!", just selfish twats looking for attention and ruining it for everybody else the guy fawkes mask is the mis-spelled tattoo of protests
The Guy Fawkes mask is asinine but people should be allowed to protest anonymously. In every protest there are going to be other private citizens opposed to the goals of the protest and making it mandatory to reveal yourself puts you at risk of attack from those people Plus this is Canada we're talking about here. This country has an absolutely appalling problem with police arbitrarily declaring protests "unlawful", kettling everyone in so you have no choice but to associate with the people causing trouble , then arresting/attacking everyone involved.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41100100]A lost* hockey game final*[/QUOTE] The fact that you even bothered to specify that implies you think that makes it even the slightest iota more acceptable.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41100100]A lost* hockey game final*[/QUOTE] To be honest I think the city would've erupted either way.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;41103482]The fact that you even bothered to specify that implies you think that makes it even the slightest iota more acceptable.[/QUOTE] Riot at a once in a lifetime sort of event VS rioting for every hockey game?..... yeah I think there is a difference and the former is more acceptable. All things relative ofcourse
[QUOTE=redhaven;41103029]LEL. How old are you? Rioting and destroying some average shmuck's property isn't going to scare them. Try bombing a stock exchange building instead.[/QUOTE] Careful on that edge there, wouldn't wanna get cut
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;41099711]This only applies to unlawful assemblies and riots, which are already against the law, and is likely designed so that police can identify rioters destroying things and arrest them. If some tool from anonymous wants to be "edgy" and wear a Guy Fawkes mask to a protest then he still can, he just can't wear it to a riot to try and conceal his identity while he's burning a police car.[/QUOTE] What if you've worn a mask to a protest you thought was going to be legit, and later turned nasty? Congrats, you've just earned yourself a court date by being in the general area of the people actually doing harm.
[QUOTE=Ban Evasion Alt;41103907]What if you've worn a mask to a protest you thought was going to be legit, and later turned nasty? Congrats, you've just earned yourself a court date by being in the general area of the people actually doing harm.[/QUOTE] If it becomes nasty, you take it off, it's not that difficult to do.
Simply put from a video I saw on youtube. They say Why don't you show your face? Be a man. You coward why did you take such a cowardly route? Anonymity always has been a primordial part of any powerful popular movements. It's known by the government, passing a mask law is a sure way of cracking down on social movements. Montreal did this to break up the student strike protests. In the age of livestreams, if you call in sick to go to a protest, you better be wearing a mask right? The thing is that people who are vulnerable need anonymity to present themselves at protests. If you are on probation, if you vulnerable in your immigration status or in whatever other ways, you put yourself at FAR GREATER risk going to a protest than the average middle class who have secure jobs. A movement that only legitimise transparency marginalise the vulnerable. The rise of masking is only a response to the greater surveillance of the state, if you can be identified, you can be isolated and neutralised. Another tool for the state to delegitimise any protests. and people are buying into it.
But what if the unlawful gathering is at a ski resort?
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41103707]Riot at a once in a lifetime sort of event VS rioting for every hockey game?..... yeah I think there is a difference and the former is more acceptable. All things relative ofcourse[/QUOTE] It's still destroying property and looting and shit because you lost a hockey game to a team with more players from your country than your own team. It is incredibly childish.
[QUOTE=Mechanical43;41104841]Simply put from a video I saw on youtube. They say Why don't you show your face? Be a man. You coward why did you take such a cowardly route? Anonymity always has been a primordial part of any powerful popular movements. It's known by the government, passing a mask law is a sure way of cracking down on social movements. Montreal did this to break up the student strike protests. In the age of livestreams, if you call in sick to go to a protest, you better be wearing a mask right? The thing is that people who are vulnerable need anonymity to present themselves at protests. If you are on probation, if you vulnerable in your immigration status or in whatever other ways, you put yourself at FAR GREATER risk going to a protest than the average middle class who have secure jobs. A movement that only legitimise transparency marginalise the vulnerable. The rise of masking is only a response to the greater surveillance of the state, if you can be identified, you can be isolated and neutralised. Another tool for the state to delegitimise any protests. and people are buying into it.[/QUOTE] Or maybe it's so police can catch people who do shit like this: [img]http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4097/4737755170_d68fe1bfca_z.jpg[/img] This law DOES NOT PROHIBIT WEARING A MASK AT A [b]PROTEST[/b], only at a riot or unlawful assembly. If you want to go protest and wear a mask , go ahead, just don't be an asshole about protesting; don't block off streets, don't break things, don't attack people, and do it on government land so you're not accused of trespassing and don't need a permit for assembly in a park, or get the permit if you want to do it in a park and you need a permit (Which AFAIK in Ontario you don't, as long as the protest is during the day). And frankly if you're going to call in sick to go to a protest, and you get caught and get fired, I have little sympathy for you. Use a vacation day, at least then you're not lying to your employer and it shows that you have some appreciation for the fact that you have a job. And these 2 lines in particular: [quote] The rise of masking is only a response to the greater surveillance of the state, if you can be identified, you can be isolated and neutralised. Another tool for the state to delegitimise any protests. and people are buying into it. [/quote] Sound overly paranoid. Nobody's going to hunt you down simply for waving a sign around, and the government's not trying to ban protests. They're trying to deter people from breaking and burning shit at riots and hoping to get away with it because nobody knows what their face looks like. They'll only come after you if you do decide to break shit and be a destructive asshole. It's possible to have a peaceful protest; teachers do it, unions do it, gays do it, gun owners do it, plenty of people and groups can have a protest without needing to destroy things to try and prove a point (and it actually largely detracts from your point if you do), and if you want to wear a comedic mask of Kathleen Wynne and protest the cancelled gas plants on the grounds of Queen's Park, that's perfectly fine and still perfectly legal. This law is to prevent someone from wearing the same mask and then throwing a firebomb through a Tim Horton's window or overturning a random SUV on the road and expecting not to get caught because all they'd be able to say about them was "He was wearing a Kathleen Wynne mask."
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;41105421]Sound overly paranoid. Nobody's going to hunt you down simply for waving a sign around, and the government's not trying to ban protests. They're trying to deter people from breaking and burning shit at riots and hoping to get away with it because nobody knows what their face looks like. They'll only come after you if you do decide to break shit and be a destructive asshole. [/QUOTE] That's putting a lot of trust in the state. What if there's a protest against the state? All it takes is one fuck up and the police can jump on it calling the protest an "unlawful gathering". Can we really be so sure that the state won't abuse it's powers?
'unlawful assembly' is the biggest bullshit term i've ever heard
Are there even riots/violent protests in Canada?
[QUOTE=soccerskyman;41105629]That's putting a lot of trust in the state. What if there's a protest against the state? All it takes is one fuck up and the police can jump on it calling the protest an "unlawful gathering". Can we really be so sure that the state won't abuse it's powers?[/QUOTE] Those happen all the time, and it depends on who's protesting and how on if it becomes "unlawful." And if it gets to the point of the state abusing this to ban protests (unlikely), then we'll have bigger issues than burning cop cars with masks on, and at that point the rioters likely won't care if they're caught or not.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;41105421] This law DOES NOT PROHIBIT WEARING A MASK AT A [B]PROTEST[/B], only at a riot or unlawful assembly. If you want to go protest and wear a mask , go ahead, just don't be an asshole about protesting; don't block off streets, don't break things, don't attack people, and do it on government land so you're not accused of trespassing and don't need a permit for assembly in a park, or get the permit if you want to do it in a park and you need a permit (Which AFAIK in Ontario you don't, as long as the protest is during the day). And frankly if you're going to call in sick to go to a protest, and you get caught and get fired, I have little sympathy for you. Use a vacation day, at least then you're not lying to your employer and it shows that you have some appreciation for the fact that you have a job. [/QUOTE] You should've seen how easy it was, in Montreal, for a police corps to call protests unlawful assemblies. They did it systematically. [QUOTE=DaCommie1;41105421] And these 2 lines in particular: Sound overly paranoid. Nobody's going to hunt you down simply for waving a sign around, and the government's not trying to ban protests. They're trying to deter people from breaking and burning shit at riots and hoping to get away with it because nobody knows what their face looks like. They'll only come after you if you do decide to break shit and be a destructive asshole. It's possible to have a peaceful protest; teachers do it, unions do it, gays do it, gun owners do it, plenty of people and groups can have a protest without needing to destroy things to try and prove a point (and it actually largely detracts from your point if you do), and if you want to wear a comedic mask of Kathleen Wynne and protest the cancelled gas plants on the grounds of Queen's Park, that's perfectly fine and still perfectly legal. This law is to prevent someone from wearing the same mask and then throwing a firebomb through a Tim Horton's window or overturning a random SUV on the road and expecting not to get caught because all they'd be able to say about them was "He was wearing a Kathleen Wynne mask."[/QUOTE] Yeah call me a conspiracy theorist lol. They do in fact check up on the protesters. They did on the summit in ontario, they did in quebec all during the student strikes. You are the one delusional if you think they do not want to catalogue all they can about protesters, we are all considered would be rioters. I think PRISM and all would be conclusive evidence. And your justification is redundant, well it's not yours per se, but why criminalise the wearing of the mask in an unlawful assembly, when being in an unlawful is already illegal ? lol
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;41105421]Or maybe it's so police can catch people who do shit like this: This law DOES NOT PROHIBIT WEARING A MASK AT A [B]PROTEST[/B], only at a riot or unlawful assembly. If you want to go protest and wear a mask , go ahead, just don't be an asshole about protesting; don't block off streets, don't break things, don't attack people, and do it on government land so you're not accused of trespassing and don't need a permit for assembly in a park, or get the permit if you want to do it in a park and you need a permit (Which AFAIK in Ontario you don't, as long as the protest is during the day). And frankly if you're going to call in sick to go to a protest, and you get caught and get fired, I have little sympathy for you. Use a vacation day, at least then you're not lying to your employer and it shows that you have some appreciation for the fact that you have a job. And these 2 lines in particular: Sound overly paranoid. Nobody's going to hunt you down simply for waving a sign around, and the government's not trying to ban protests. They're trying to deter people from breaking and burning shit at riots and hoping to get away with it because nobody knows what their face looks like. They'll only come after you if you do decide to break shit and be a destructive asshole. It's possible to have a peaceful protest; teachers do it, unions do it, gays do it, gun owners do it, plenty of people and groups can have a protest without needing to destroy things to try and prove a point (and it actually largely detracts from your point if you do), and if you want to wear a comedic mask of Kathleen Wynne and protest the cancelled gas plants on the grounds of Queen's Park, that's perfectly fine and still perfectly legal. This law is to prevent someone from wearing the same mask and then throwing a firebomb through a Tim Horton's window or overturning a random SUV on the road and expecting not to get caught because all they'd be able to say about them was "He was wearing a Kathleen Wynne mask."[/QUOTE] You are aware that the police have camera technology that can read and recognize thousands of faces per minute right? They deploy these cameras at [B]all major protests[/B]. Go ahead and look around next time you're near a protest, guaranteed you will find at least one of the custom cameras on a mount (tripod, etc) on a nearby rooftop. They are actually watching you and checking you against known profiles. Are they building profiles on people too? I don't know, but there is nothing stopping them if they wanted to. Credit card companies, large stores (retail and internet), and banks already collect information on your spending habits (some of which they then sell to other companies); it's not much of a stretch to think that the government is collecting information on you, especially if you are often attending anti-government protests.
i'm sure i remember people losing their jobs or getting fucked over after being seen participating in the occupy protests
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41106826]i'm sure i remember people losing their jobs or getting fucked over after being seen participating in the occupy protests[/QUOTE] I also remember cops hiding their identity If we have to reveal ours or go to jail for 10 years they should have to reveal theirs or go to jail for 10 years
[QUOTE=Zeke129;41106842] If we have to reveal ours or go to jail for 10 years they should have to reveal theirs or go to jail for 10 years[/QUOTE] Not allowing cops to hide their identity makes them accountable. Nobody wants that. Except for the majority of people but what do they matter?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;41106160]Those happen all the time, and it depends on who's protesting and how on if it becomes "unlawful." And if it gets to the point of the state abusing this to ban protests (unlikely), then we'll have bigger issues than burning cop cars with masks on, and at that point the rioters likely won't care if they're caught or not.[/QUOTE] How does that justify giving such an easily abusable power to the state? We've all seen states abuse their power to stop protests before.
New Plan: Everybody gets ridiculously wide sombreros and we interlock them to form a horizontal privacy barrier above our heads: [img]https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4YRjSFcSwVKAnBFhAdbsNs7RdXgvQA4o6oHHH4hxorQjr-_66Nw[/img]
I hope for canada's sake that Trudeau gets in so he can repeal these authoritarian laws. If people want to express their opinion anonymously, they should be allowed to. So what they may damage other peoples property? By deploying riot police you set yourself up to have to deal with one, because people will feel threatened and will not go down without a fight. That's the whole point of a protest, to decry public issues in which the party responsible for those issues are not willing to resolve properly.
[QUOTE=GhostG45;41105709]Are there even riots/violent protests in Canada?[/QUOTE] [img]http://communities.sportsnet.ca/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/8409/vancouver-riot-tx1%5B1%5D.jpg[/img]
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in a sense, though, and this applies to all of us - do we not put on masks to hide who we truly are every day of our lives?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;41106842]I also remember cops hiding their identity If we have to reveal ours or go to jail for 10 years they should have to reveal theirs or go to jail for 10 years[/QUOTE] I agree wholeheartedly, why should the police be special?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;41099711]This only applies to unlawful assemblies and riots, which are already against the law, and is likely designed so that police can identify rioters destroying things and arrest them. If some tool from anonymous wants to be "edgy" and wear a Guy Fawkes mask to a protest then he still can, he just can't wear it to a riot to try and conceal his identity while he's burning a police car.[/QUOTE] [quote]Critics said the measures are unnecessary because the Criminal Code already includes a section about wearing disguises while committing a crime.[/quote] I can see where they're coming from, this law has always been around. If you're bashing windows and burning cars you're getting arrested mask or no mask. But the thing is that they're associating people who are doing absolutely nothing illegal with an illegal activity. For example that might be like them passing a law that allows cop to arrest and charge everyone who's wearing a red cap in the town that had its bank robbed recently by robbers who were wearing red caps ''just to be safe''. They chose trample on civil liberties in order to gain security in these cases. Instead of arresting each individual who's guilty of vandalism etc they decide to arrest everyone at the scene of the crime in my view. What if a guy is wearing a mask because it's cold out or something, or he doesn't want his face plastered all over the news when they cover the riot but wants to get a look at it? [editline]20th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=GhostG45;41105709]Are there even riots/violent protests in Canada?[/QUOTE] [img]http://earthfirstnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/toronto-g20-riot.jpg[/img]
awww poor NEETs can't break things and scream WE ARE THE 1% now without getting arrested aww
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