UCSD professor has students take art final in the nude or risk failing
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I just don't understand everyone's big deal with nudity, they're all adults, who's never seen someone naked before? And it's not a required class or anything, so what's so sensational?
[QUOTE=aznz888;47709167]You said yourself,
That implication itself is telling anyone that has contributed to art has set themselves as useless. You keep saying "I'm not dictating/telling anyone to do anything, I'm just [I]merely[/I] sharing my opinion", but you evidently are telling all art practitioners to fuck off.
If anything, it's [I]you[/I]​ who shouldn't be using words you don't understand.[/QUOTE]
And thus, in just three posts, AlexDeviant has proven how useful the art of language is and how dumb you are when you disregard it.
[QUOTE=zach1193;47709173]I just don't understand everyone's big deal with nudity, they're all adults, who's never seen someone naked before? And it's not a required class or anything, so what's so sensational?[/QUOTE]
In the household and even amongst more open family/friends, sure, nudity is no big deal. Keep in mind that this was done at a [I]university[/I], however, and sexuality & nudity doesn't really have much place in a professional and academic environment. Plus, would you really want a 50 y/o dude seeing you naked in class?
[QUOTE=zach1193;47709173]I just don't understand everyone's big deal with nudity, they're all adults, who's never seen someone naked before? And it's not a required class or anything, so what's so sensational?[/QUOTE]
Because (before it was shown to be otherwise) it looked as if he professor was forcing students to do this or else fail, which isn't exactly professional or academic, the final could have easily been something else. It should be a given that someone, if they are uncomfortable with it or do not wish to do so for some sort of reason (religion, for example), should not have to be naked for a grade.
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[QUOTE=aznz888;47709200]In the household and even amongst more open family/friends, sure, nudity is no big deal. Keep in mind that this was done at a [I]university[/I], however, and sexuality & nudity doesn't really have much place in a professional and academic environment. Plus, would you really want a 50 y/o dude seeing you naked in class?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=aznz888;47709200]In the household and even amongst more open family/friends, sure, nudity is no big deal. Keep in mind that this was done at a [I]university[/I], however, and sexuality & nudity doesn't really have much place in a professional and academic environment. Plus, would you really want a 50 y/o dude seeing you naked in class?[/QUOTE]
They have entire beaches dedicated to nudity... and yea, in all reality of the situation, if you're comfortable in your own skin, why does it make a difference if a 50 year old teacher, or a peer sees you naked, it's not sexual, it's just... well you. I'm only speaking on the subject of nudity overall, not necessarily this particular instance, and if you read the article, no one was forced, so I'm just addressing nudity as it is. I'm not even saying I'm comfortable with being nude in public, but I wouldn't think it that bad.
[QUOTE=zach1193;47709237]They have entire beaches dedicated to nudity... and yea, in all reality of the situation, if you're comfortable in your own skin, why does it make a difference if a 50 year old teacher, or a peer sees you naked, it's not sexual, it's just... well you[/QUOTE]
But this is a class, not a nude beach.
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Also, you said it yourself, "if you're comfortable"
My cousin was an art major. Photography. After 4 years of college she got a job as a bank teller because she knew the boss at the bank. My cousin has a friend who graduated with a Marine Biology degree at the same college I'm going to. He works at Verizon now.You can take whatever degree you want at college but none are entitled to land you career. There are loads of science degrees where a career in that field is just as an unlikely outcome as a arts degree. About as well paying, too.
[QUOTE=Cyr;47709242]But this is a class, not a nude beach.
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Also, you said it yourself, "if you're comfortable"[/QUOTE]
Yea man, but even though I don't necessarily understand it myself, I can see no good reason to be ashamed of what you look like nude, and again, so long as you're not making it sexual, being nude in public shouldn't be as big a deal as it's made out to be. again of course set and setting are important, but I hope you see where I'm coming from. Just so we're clear, I do not believe you should have to come to class nude to pass.
[QUOTE=AlexDeviant;47709105]Once again, how am I dictating anything to anyone?
Don't use words you don't understand thank you.[/QUOTE]
all your posts in this thread are very condescending and belittling to anybody studying art, don't use a language [B]you[/B] don't understand thank you.
[QUOTE=bdd458;47709046]Art is an important and useful part of society. In a different way from an Engineer obviously, but inportant none the less.[/QUOTE]
seeing cs majors do graphic design makes me want to cry
almost wish that foundations of art would be a mandatory class for cs
[QUOTE=Jund;47709722]seeing cs majors do graphic design makes me want to cry
almost wish that foundations of art would be a mandatory class for cs[/QUOTE]That's why a lot of open source apps look like shit visually and the UX is nonexistent. They got a programmer but no designer.
[QUOTE=aznz888;47709200]In the household and even amongst more open family/friends, sure, nudity is no big deal. Keep in mind that this was done at a [I]university[/I], however, and sexuality & nudity doesn't really have much place in a professional and academic environment. Plus, would you really want a 50 y/o dude seeing you naked in class?[/QUOTE]
if you're taking an optional class that's literally "human body gestures in performance art" it shouldn't come as a surprise at all, unless you're an idiot
also *professor voice* it's in the syllabus
[QUOTE=deadoon;47708754]Yep, computer science(the programming one) is an art degree, the other computer science which is less commonly available has a little more focus on the hardware side of things and is a science degree.
Fun isn't it?[/QUOTE]
This is why smart people go the BS route and not the BA route. I refuse to graduate with an obvious non-art degree but have art slapped on my fucking diploma. Bacbelor of Science for life.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;47709942]This is why smart people go the BS route and not the BA route. I refuse to graduate with an obvious non-art degree but have art slapped on my fucking diploma. Bacbelor of Science for life.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the smart people really do go for the Bullshit route :).
It doesn't fucking matter what you get a degree in, as long as you fucking enjoyed whatever you got a degree in, and you have an enjoyable career or job afterwards - even if it's not directly related to your degree.
Non-art people, gesture drawing is when you have to draw a body under a time limit. Helps you improve greatly in drawing people.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;47710089]Non-art people, gesture drawing is when you have to draw a body under a time limit. Helps you improve greatly in drawing people.[/QUOTE]
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Art majors represent!
It's optional, it's in the syllabus, and it's directly related to the subject of the class (however bullshit or not bullshit that subject may be). That's pretty much 'cased closed,' isn't it?
[QUOTE=Jund;47709820]if you're taking an optional class that's literally "human body gestures in performance art" it shouldn't come as a surprise at all, unless you're an idiot
also *professor voice* it's in the syllabus[/QUOTE]
you say this as though a course on nudity was on-par with a school like UCSD
if it was an art school, i'd probably be less surprised
I'm willing to bet the student's mom found out she performed in class nude and got mad at her bohemian daughter. The daughter probably then tried to calm her mom down by saying she had to do it in order to graduate etc. So the mom gets even more angry and makes a big deal out of it by complaining.
[QUOTE=AlexDeviant;47709037]Yeah how about pursuing usefulness to the society?[/QUOTE]
your avatar combined with your post makes me cry from the edge
[QUOTE=aznz888;47710381]you say this as though a course on nudity was on-par with a school like UCSD
if it was an art school, i'd probably be less surprised[/QUOTE]
*professor voice* did you read the syllabus?
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[QUOTE=shad0w440;47710307]Art majors represent![/QUOTE]
my prof makes us do them on 18 x 24 newsprint < 30 sec each, it's like a fucking artistic sweatshop
gesture drawings kick my ass
[QUOTE=Jund;47711464]*professor voice* did you read the syllabus?
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my prof makes us do them on 18 x 24 newsprint < 30 sec each, it's like a fucking artistic sweatshop
gesture drawings kick my ass[/QUOTE]
We had to do 200 30 second gestures, 60 1 minute gestures, along with muscle and skeleton studies every two weeks outside of class. We could use whatever paper we wanted but it had to be presented in a portfolio binder before we handed it in. This was just the biweekly assignments, for the final assignments we also needed to fill 120 pages of a moleskine sketchbook with no less than 20 figures per page. We weren't allowed to do any of this during class, had to be on our own time.
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[sp]I can't say I miss the workload. :v[/sp]
[QUOTE=AlexDeviant;47709037]Yeah how about pursuing usefulness to the society?[/QUOTE]
who are you to speak about how useful they're being
[QUOTE=AlexDeviant;47709037]Yeah how about pursuing usefulness to the society?[/QUOTE]
What do you define as useful to society?
Do people have a duty to contribute "usefulness" to society?
What do you do for a living?
[QUOTE=AlexDeviant;47709037]Yeah how about pursuing usefulness to the society?[/QUOTE]
A well-adjusted art major is far more useful to society than someone who judges themselves better than anonymous people on the internet based on what they chose to learn. What have you contributed to society other than bitterness?
speaking from the perspective of a dude who swam competitively in a speedo, going full nude isn't too much of a step up. It's pretty embarrassing when you first have to wear 'em as a dude, but you get over it. I feel like it'd be self-confidence building, even.
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[QUOTE=shad0w440;47711868]We had to do 200 30 second gestures, 60 1 minute gestures, along with muscle and skeleton studies every two weeks outside of class. We could use whatever paper we wanted but it had to be presented in a portfolio binder before we handed it in. This was just the biweekly assignments, for the final assignments we also needed to fill 120 pages of a moleskine sketchbook with no less than 20 figures per page. We weren't allowed to do any of this during class, had to be on our own time.
[sp]I can't say I miss the workload. :v[/sp][/QUOTE]
first, how long did all that take, and how the fucking dick did he even grade all of that? And how many of those courses did you have in a semester? Jesus man. Bet you're hella good now though
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;47712902]speaking from the perspective of a dude who swam competitively in a speedo, going full nude isn't too much of a step up. It's pretty embarrassing when you first have to wear 'em as a dude, but you get over it. I feel like it'd be self-confidence building, even.
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first, how long did all that take, and how the fucking dick did he even grade all of that? And how many of those courses did you have in a semester? Jesus man. Bet you're hella good now though[/QUOTE]
Well the uni operates on quarters rather than semesters so we had even less time than that.
She had us write how many poses were on each page so she could just add them all together, if you got all of them done you got a 90% the other 10% was on quality where she would skim through and see how nice they looked.
Right now im doing traditional hand drawn animation which is more or less the same thing. :V
On the topic of the thread, if it was in the syllabus it was probably heavily emphasized, what I also find suspect is the fact that it wasn't one of the students that was concerned but rather a parent. When I started going to live modeling sessions when I was about 14 my parents had the same kind of reaction, but they got over it.
I also had a lifedrawing class a year ago for my animation course!
By the end of the whole term we made around 2500 figure sketches. (1000 for midterms, 1500 spread around the 14 weeks of the term.)
Although hellish (especially with other class requirements) I'd have to say that it taught me soooo much, albeit through brute force...
The difference beween the NUDE and the NAKED: super interesting in the art world. check out this piece by Berger!
Start @ 3:18!
[video=youtube;u72AIab-Gdc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u72AIab-Gdc[/video]
[QUOTE=zach1193;47709260]Yea man, but even though I don't necessarily understand it myself, I can see no good reason to be ashamed of what you look like nude, and again, so long as you're not making it sexual, being nude in public shouldn't be as big a deal as it's made out to be. again of course set and setting are important, but I hope you see where I'm coming from. Just so we're clear, I do not believe you should have to come to class nude to pass.[/QUOTE]
it's easy to say this if you've never had any issues with your body, but there are people for whom stripping naked in front of strangers is the most horrifying thing imaginable.
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