• Steam is killing the PC gaming market
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[QUOTE=Coffee;25994369]You're not taking into account Steam Servers and the emissions from them.[/QUOTE] In my opinion, point is moot until we have industrially built and used nuclear, solar or otherwise non-combustion engine trucks. Transportation, all in all, probably is going to be using petroleum fuel for quite a while still; we're already using alternate power solutions for the buildings
[QUOTE=Elspin;25999347] Are you serious? That's the point. They are intentionally giving you a permanent ban for everything and anything, even if it's not your fault, to make you buy the game again.[/QUOTE] If you're dumb enough to get your account security compromised, you deserve to lose your games.
[QUOTE=Hookerbot9000;25991636]"Steam offers a cheap and easy way to play games that is much superior to my method I want Steam to go away waaaaa"[/QUOTE] I get PC games cheaper retail than on Steam.
[QUOTE=Elspin;25999559]Your username is incredibly appropriate, though there's nothing magic about what you're ok with companies doing to your ass. Honestly, if you just let a company continue fucking you like this, it will only get worse. You're supposed to stop using a company when it does this, not just say "D'oh well"[/QUOTE] What has my username todo with this?
[QUOTE=Ali Legend;25999460]My only real problem with steam is the offline play. You have to sign in online in order to play offline, which means you can't play your games if you can't connect to the internet.[/QUOTE] We'd probably get that anyway because of DRM. damn automerge break-
steam- download the games, be able to play when internet is down non steam- OMG YOU ARENT ON THE INTERNET YOU OBVIOUSLY PIRATED ME, IM LOCKING MY SELF TILL U HAS INTERNET Warez- Oh hey, you can play me with or without internet :downs: I went to a best buy to look at pc games. they have 1 shelf for pc games. xbox, ps3, wii are like 3 shelfs that are double sided each.
[QUOTE=|FlapJack|;25999614]If you're dumb enough to get your account security compromised, you deserve to lose your games.[/QUOTE] Its pretty easy NOT to get your account stolen, verifying your email isnt *that* hard, and if you keep them both with separate passwords..
[QUOTE=|FlapJack|;25999614]If you're dumb enough to get your account security compromised, you deserve to lose your games.[/QUOTE] What is with this obsessive mindset? I love their games as much as anyone else but that doesn't mean I have an undying faith that everything they do is right. No it is not always their fault, obviously if they do something stupid like have a password reset question answer that's in their steam profile it is, but that's rarely the case.
[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;25991702]How to not get killed by steam: Step 1) Lower your GOD DAMN FUCKING PRICES. FUCK Step 2) You are now able to successfully compete on the market.[/QUOTE] steam does the step 1 from time to time with the massive sales and it has worked
BooHoo Stop using an Easy to use by everyone program that lets users download and play their games without the use of Keys and horrible DRM on any machine that has internet access No. You think the internet is free from the capital market? Hell No. Wal mart reigns supreme, Win Dixie is empty because they charge too much, and Wal mart doesn't have to. Steam has done the same thing. It's risen into a super giant. Steam is the Gamer's Wal Mart, Why go anywhere else? Devs see this and it's even cheaper and easier for them to use Steam... it's not Steam's fault really that they were able to do so well (although it took time) What other Digital Distributors haven't Steam's great and Valve shouldn't be punished for it... But I smell jealousy. So good job steam. You're the envy of the entire Digital Distribution market Where else could I have got: Blazing Angels Blazing Angels 2 Silent Hunter 3 Silent Hunter Wolves of the Pacific Silent Hunter U Boat Mission Il2 1946 Brothers in Arms Road to Hill 30 Brothers in Arms Earned in Blood Brothers in Arms Hell's Highway All for $25? Hell, Hell's Highway cost more than that by itself EVERYWHERE else at the time
Actually, I have a question about steam. At one point I had World in Conflict in the box. It seemed my computer would give up on WiC more quickly than my Steam games. Then when I got it and the Soviet Assault expansion on Steam I was able to play it for longer periods of times and even up some of the quality settings. My question is, does having the game digitally installed actually help reserve power for the processor and fan or is it just me just being a forgetful moron? [editline]11th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=TheTalon;25999979] Steam's great and Valve shouldn't be punished for it... But I smell jealousy. So good job steam. You're the envy of the entire Digital Distribution market[/QUOTE] I agree and I find it funny when they use examples like iTunes because I fucking HATE iTunes. I use Winamp instead and its much better in my opinion.
Only problem I have with steam is if you get your account hacked, theres the possibility where you lose all of your games and what not.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;25998850]You could also just pirate it and use your CD-Keys if you bought it on Steam. Both are illegal.[/QUOTE] No jury would convict you if you used your legal CD, they'd just shake their heads at the unfair EULA. This isn't the case with downloading games, however. [editline]11th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=|FlapJack|;25999614]If you're dumb enough to get your account security compromised, you deserve to lose your games.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's not like some guy manages to sneak a keylogging program (doesn't necessarily have to be a virus, could be just some app on an USB drive) and gets your password, and you're done for.
To be fair I like buying games retail if I can activate them on Steam as well. I have both the box [b]and[/b] the ability to redownload it in case I lose the disc. I lost my Battle for Middle-Earth 2 and Modern Warfare 1 discs for whatever reason, too, and I regret not buying either of them on a digital distributor now. (speaking of which they should add some Lord of the Rings games on Steam)
The only thing I don't like about steam is that it kind of kills the second hand market, I can't sell my copy of New Vegas because it's linked to my account (not that I'd want to). Otherwise it's great. And if retailers want to get more customers coming to their stores, why don't they [b]expand the pc section from the pathetic size it is now to something, I dunno, less pathetic?[/b] I go into my local game store and the only part dedicated to PC games is a section of wall a meter wide. Not tht buying new games form them is a good idea anyway, considering how they always sell games at full rpice.
[QUOTE=ijyt;25999621]I get PC games cheaper retail than on Steam.[/QUOTE] Well, Valve likes to do direct conversions. $40 is nothing for new games, but £40 is rather expensive.
[QUOTE=Elspin;25999133]Do you guys not honestly realize how bad this is? Steam is already fucking people up the ass, imagine how much they're going to when they're the only place left that sells PC games. And before you decide to be an idiot and blindly defend steam, have a look at this: [img_thumb]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r160/Elspin/steam.jpg[/img_thumb] Steam is quite openly banning people who get hacked, and telling them "We won't unban your account because we care about our customers". However, they are also quite comfortable telling you exactly how to buy the game on another account even if you're aware that you're cheating. Lovely. I love the developers at Valve, and their games are some of my favourite ever. But the company is honestly just fucked. It is not good to have one company with this fucked up policy controlling your ability to play online.[/QUOTE] VAC banning is an extremely harsh punishment to deter cheating. And it generally works. Stop whining, steam has a host of flaws but that isn't one of them. [editline]11th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=ASmellyOgreV2;26000302]Well, Valve likes to do direct conversions. $40 is nothing for new games, but £40 is rather expensive.[/QUOTE] I loved it when steam had its UK prices in USD. Shit was cheap. Now I can just get my games from amazon for cheaper and I get a nice box with them.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;26000327]VAC banning is an extremely harsh punishment to deter cheating. And it generally works. Stop whining, steam has a host of flaws but that isn't one of them. [editline]11th November 2010[/editline] I loved it when steam had its UK prices in USD. Shit was cheap. Now I can just get my games from amazon for cheaper and I get a nice box with them.[/QUOTE] I haven't seen any hacking from any of the servers I play on. Even when I don't have it set for VAC secured. They're not cops though, and since a majority of people like to try to beat the system they have to be harsh and specific. Also, didn't they just create the "Good Standing" system which refers to any form of warning or such.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;25991766]In a sense yeah. However if shit hits the fan the USA government will force Valve to sell stock and anyone using Steamworks will own part of Valve/Steam. Although thats a tad extreme I wouldnt put it past the government. Gamestop: PC gets one small 2 sided shelf in middle of store. Rest of store is consoles.[/QUOTE] HA yea right where I live they only got one side know. The other side is for wii controllers with the lights and shit.
[QUOTE=Elspin;25999883]What is with this obsessive mindset? I love their games as much as anyone else but that doesn't mean I have an undying faith that everything they do is right. No it is not always their fault, obviously if they do something stupid like have a password reset question answer that's in their steam profile it is, but that's rarely the case.[/QUOTE] I've had Steam since like, 2006. I've pissed off an exceptionally large number of people on the GMod scene, and not once has my account security been compromised, despite there probably being people who would just love to get me VAC banned or whatever. Even when I was a know-nothing 13 year old kid, the "OMG GET FREE GAMEZ HERE http://steam.tk" didn't trick me. Account security is a basic thing in the current way of things. Anyone incapable of it shouldn't be on the internet. There will always be the odd thing outwith your control - a FUD virus, dick of a sibling nipping on CSS after downloading a cheat on your account while you're out and left Steam on to download a game - or whatever reason. In the end though, if you lose your account, it's more likely than not your fault.
[QUOTE=Xolo;25991899]Yes they do. You don't see walkmans in circulation any more, and itunes is huge.[/QUOTE] probably because walkmans are over 30 years old retard
[QUOTE=goon165;25997148]Vavle should make a console supported entirely by digital Distribution. not now of course because it isn't really working out at the moment (PSP Go lol), but some time during the next two console generations they should consider it.[/QUOTE] Now that's a seriously good idea. A mini-pc essentially designed for games and only games.
Gamestop didn't even have Stalker, what was I supposed to do!? also 2 bucks instead of 60.
[QUOTE=Instant Mix;26000698]Now that's a seriously good idea. A mini-pc essentially designed for games and only games.[/QUOTE] Kotick beat you to that idea....
[QUOTE=Elspin;25999133]Do you guys not honestly realize how bad this is? Steam is already fucking people up the ass, imagine how much they're going to when they're the only place left that sells PC games. And before you decide to be an idiot and blindly defend steam, have a look at this: [img_thumb]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r160/Elspin/steam.jpg[/img_thumb] Steam is quite openly banning people who get hacked, and telling them "We won't unban your account because we care about our customers". However, they are also quite comfortable telling you exactly how to buy the game on another account even if you're aware that you're cheating. Lovely. I love the developers at Valve, and their games are some of my favourite ever. But the company is honestly just fucked. It is not good to have one company with this fucked up policy controlling your ability to play online.[/QUOTE] It is your account, you are responsible for it. It is no different to a bank not giving you your money back if your bank details get compromised and someone goes on a spending spree (possibly a bad example, afaik some banks do do this)
[QUOTE=Yahnich;26001163]Steam is legally allowed to randomly cut you off from all of your games. Fuck Steam.[/QUOTE] They only legally allow themselves that in the event of serious misconduct. It doesn't mean they will. The US Government has the ability to nuke UK out of the earth completely, is it going to? [sp]I'm not being nationalist or whatever, I understand the two nations are very well matched in terms of military power.[/sp]
[QUOTE=geel9;26001482]They only legally allow themselves that in the event of serious misconduct. It doesn't mean they will.[/QUOTE] They can and they have. Friend of mine was exploiting in GMod, meatspinning people and rebinding their keys. He got disabled.
[QUOTE=|FlapJack|;26001586]They can and they have. Friend of mine was exploiting in GMod, meatspinning people and rebinding their keys. He got disabled.[/QUOTE] Good riddance. I don't have a problem with VAC because the responsibility of making sure it doesn't have a problem with ME is my own. Each and every person is in complete control of the fate of their Steam account, whoever is using the account is none of Valve's business because they have no way of checking it. Computer and account security is a fundamental lesson and anyone who hasn't learned it should, PDQ, or they have it coming. Steam mentions the option of re-purchasing your games to a new account simply for the reason that someone who got their account disabled may want a chance to return to Steam. Not disclosing any details on cheating infraction helps keep VAC secure and it's working pretty damn well, because since 2004 I've seen at most 1 or 2 cheaters in total for all VAC2 enabled games.
If Steam was managed by anyone but Valve I'd be worried about my games library. I just believe that Valve wouldn't screw us over even if things would go bad for them.
My local game stores aren't stocking New Vegas and Black Ops for PC, and I think they're going to stop selling PC games all together. :sigh:
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