• Jeremy Clarkson really doesn't want to make another car show, this time by comparing transgenderism
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This might be a bit late because I haven't finished reading the thread yet but it's something that really needs to be explained. [QUOTE=Jordax;49598300]How controversial it might sound, he has a valid point in his piece, since it seems to be aimed the most towards parents who push their kids to it: And really, call me old-fashioned and all that, but I think children shouldn't be allowed to transition at such a young age. It should be a decision that should be made when they are adults. Given how very permanent said decision is, and how it will impact the rest of their lives, I just feel like it isn't right to push a child towards such a permanent decision given how children seem to have phrases which can make swing their mood and life choices a lot, and it doesn't really even out until they are adults. My older niece was also in such a phrase when she was younger, in they way that she preferred to be treated as a boy until she was 15 or so. It completely went away after that. Locking a 10-year old kid into a choice they made then for the rest of their lives just doesn't seem right to me. Yeah, I know that it is a controversial opinion here, but that's my take on it.[/QUOTE] You might actually look into how transitioning works before making idiotic claims like this. 99% of the time someone says stuff like this it's because they don't understand how transitioning works and if they bothered to look into it they'd realize their concerns aren't even valid. It's impossible to get a sex change before you're an adult. In most places you can't even get on hormones before you're 18, in some places as early as 15-16 at the very earliest (almost always with special approval for it). The most that can happen before this is puberty blockers which are completely reversible. And on top of all this there's the whole part where you have top spend significant amounts of time speaking with a specialist who will make certain that allowing you to transition is the proper decision before approving it. You can't just go to the doctor and go "Yo I want some hormones and a sex change. Hook me up, will ya?"
holy shit people need to get off their high horses [editline]24th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Alice3173;49600348]This might be a bit late because I haven't finished reading the thread yet but it's something that really needs to be explained. You might actually look into how transitioning works before making idiotic claims like this. 99% of the time someone says stuff like this it's because they don't understand how transitioning works and if they bothered to look into it they'd realize their concerns aren't even valid. It's impossible to get a sex change before you're an adult. In most places you can't even get on hormones before you're 18, in some places as early as 15-16 at the very earliest (almost always with special approval for it). The most that can happen before this is puberty blockers which are completely reversible. And on top of all this there's the whole part where you have top spend significant amounts of time speaking with a specialist who will make certain that allowing you to transition is the proper decision before approving it. You can't just go to the doctor and go "Yo I want some hormones and a sex change. Hook me up, will ya?"[/QUOTE] stop stop stop stop stop STOP [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why Reply? Shitpost" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=dbk21894;49600366]holy shit people need to get off their high horses [editline]24th January 2016[/editline] stop stop stop stop stop STOP[/QUOTE] Lol how is explaining the process of transition to someone who clearly doesn't know anything about it being on a "high horse"?
how did anyone ever like this guy? he's always come off as a massive douche to me. I seriously hope he never gets a job again.
[QUOTE=dbk21894;49600366]stop stop stop stop stop STOP[/QUOTE] Stop what, explaining why someone is wrong? Why should I do that?
It's easy to like a goofy dude and his crew doing dumb shit with fast cars, it's not like this kind of thing is just constantly tumbling out of his mouth and a lot of it comes across as, you know, just this kind of "boys will be boys" "harmless lads" stuff. And then there's punching people, this, and probably a few other incidents, that you hear about a while later. Maybe he's always been going around doing horrible things and you/I just never heard, or, as above, it wasn't, taken alone, all that bad.
[QUOTE=dbk21894;49600366] stop stop stop stop stop STOP[/QUOTE] Stop what? Being right? Telling the truth? Explaining things?
Yeah... I like Clarkson's persona when he's on TV, but he seems to be a pretty terrible person every time anyone interviews him. As a journalist, though, I know exactly why people keep asking him about this. We already know he's a bigot, but people like reading about it. It moves papers. I wish I could say it were even the least bit surprising, but it isn't, because an article like this shows up every few weeks. And I don't think he's going to change his opinion on the matter, because he's Jeremy Clarkson. He's basically a British redneck.
[QUOTE=dbk21894;49600366] stop stop stop stop stop STOP[/QUOTE] Why are you trying to censor people?
Are we still busy pretending he wasn't talking about [b]old[/b] views that he held but has since then rethought?
[QUOTE=Source;49600296]People are just far too oversensitive, and he just nosedived right into one of the biggest oversensitive demographics there is.[/QUOTE] No, this is a case of where some asshole is behaving... like a bigoted asshole. Clarkson needs to go honestly. There's a difference between making a few Nazi jokes about German vehicles and joking about cab drivers being serial killers (etc.), and outright calling Asians "slopes" and in this case saying transgender people are "the products of lunatic parents" to be as crass and offensive as possible, assaulting other people (which he did to that one producer guy and to Piers Morgan) and breaking the law, [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jeremy-clarkson-david-cameron-backs-friend-and-huge-talent-after-witnesses-claim-top-gear-fracas-was-10102585.html]acting like a spoiled bitch because you didn't have the exact kind of food catered to you that you wanted[/url], and so on. What a clown of a human being. Still, I'll give him credit: he certainly knows how to work his fans and use them like little tools to stay relevant. They still defend him no matter what he says or does, and he knows it.
[QUOTE=Govna;49600512]No, this is a case of where some asshole is behaving... like a bigoted asshole. Clarkson needs to go honestly. There's a difference between making a few Nazi jokes about German vehicles and joking about cab drivers being serial killers (etc.), and outright calling Asians "slopes" and in this case saying transgender people are "the products of lunatic parents" to be as crass and offensive as possible, assaulting other people (which he did to that one producer guy and to Piers Morgan) and breaking the law, [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jeremy-clarkson-david-cameron-backs-friend-and-huge-talent-after-witnesses-claim-top-gear-fracas-was-10102585.html]acting like a spoiled bitch because you didn't have the exact kind of food catered to you that you wanted[/url], and so on. What a clown of a human being. Still, I'll give him credit: he certainly knows how to work his fans and use them like little tools to stay relevant. They still defend him no matter what he says or does, and he knows it.[/QUOTE] I'm not a huge fan of clarkson, but he was going through a lot when he punched the producer, it wasn't just over cold food. also, the slopes thing was literally one of the most ridiculous jokes and reactions to a joke the internet has ever produced. [editline]24th January 2016[/editline] I'd rather we talk about the reality of the person than the caricature that we'd all like to talk about.
[QUOTE=Craigewan;49598730]I'm pretty boggled that this appears to be some watershed for people on deciding that Jeremy Clarkson is a massive nob. He's had fucking distasteful views on the environment (and environmentalists etc), race, and generally being an all round mean-spirited tory cunt for the past ten/fifteen years and this is what pisses people off? Did anyone seriously [b]not[/b] expect him to hold this view? He's a hyper-conservative dickwad, of course he doesn't support LGBT rights or believe the T part is a real thing. I stopped watching Top Gear as a fucking teen because I got pissed off with him constantly making a joke out of things like Climate Change, Deforestation etc.[/QUOTE] oh, no! He can make jokes about anything and it's fine, but please [I]not the environment![/I] You are exactly the kind of person that the show purposely took jabs at, and you sound like the sort that would be a grumpy neighbour due to my choice of cars. In that regard I'm glad you're upset.
[QUOTE=Govna;49600512]No, this is a case of where some asshole is behaving... like a bigoted asshole. Clarkson needs to go honestly. There's a difference between making a few Nazi jokes about German vehicles and joking about cab drivers being serial killers (etc.), and outright calling Asians "slopes" and in this case saying transgender people are "the products of lunatic parents" to be as crass and offensive as possible, assaulting other people (which he did to that one producer guy and to Piers Morgan) and breaking the law, [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jeremy-clarkson-david-cameron-backs-friend-and-huge-talent-after-witnesses-claim-top-gear-fracas-was-10102585.html]acting like a spoiled bitch because you didn't have the exact kind of food catered to you that you wanted[/url], and so on. What a clown of a human being. Still, I'll give him credit: he certainly knows how to work his fans and use them like little tools to stay relevant. They still defend him no matter what he says or does, and he knows it.[/QUOTE] To be totally, absolutely fair... I'd probably assault Piers Morgan if I had to work with him.
[QUOTE=EdvardSchnitz;49600382]how did anyone ever like this guy? he's always come off as a massive douche to me. I seriously hope he never gets a job again.[/QUOTE] he used to be really witty and blunt, only talked about his opinions on cars but now he's talking about politics and he's being retarded about them
[QUOTE=Govna;49600512]No, this is a case of where some asshole is behaving... like a bigoted asshole. Clarkson needs to go honestly. There's a difference between making a few Nazi jokes about German vehicles and joking about cab drivers being serial killers (etc.), and outright calling Asians "slopes" and in this case saying transgender people are "the products of lunatic parents" to be as crass and offensive as possible, assaulting other people (which he did to that one producer guy and to Piers Morgan) and breaking the law, [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jeremy-clarkson-david-cameron-backs-friend-and-huge-talent-after-witnesses-claim-top-gear-fracas-was-10102585.html]acting like a spoiled bitch because you didn't have the exact kind of food catered to you that you wanted[/url], and so on. What a clown of a human being. Still, I'll give him credit: he certainly knows how to work his fans and use them like little tools to stay relevant. They still defend him no matter what he says or does, and he knows it.[/QUOTE] Oh no he stated that he held bigoted views and has since thought about them, what a terrible person read the thread
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49600530]I'm not a huge fan of clarkson, but he was going through a lot when he punched the producer, it wasn't just over cold food. also, the slopes thing was literally one of the most ridiculous jokes and reactions to a joke the internet has ever produced. [editline]24th January 2016[/editline] I'd rather we talk about the reality of the person than the caricature that we'd all like to talk about.[/QUOTE] ...this [i]is[/i] the reality of the person. He's a celebrity, these are the things he has said, these are the things he has done, and these are the reasons why it's sensible to dislike him. Also, I don't care if he was "going through a lot". You don't assault people who haven't done anything wrong, you don't act like a manchild over because a hotel's food service couldn't cater to your every need, you don't act like a bigot over people that are different from you either. Don't be a spoiled, self-centered bitch. That goes for every human being out there, not just Clarkson. Craigewan summed it up earlier: [QUOTE=Craigewan;49598730]I'm pretty boggled that this appears to be some watershed for people on deciding that Jeremy Clarkson is a massive nob. He's had fucking distasteful views on the environment (and environmentalists etc), race, and generally being an all round mean-spirited tory cunt for the past ten/fifteen years and this is what pisses people off? Did anyone seriously [b]not[/b] expect him to hold this view? He's a hyper-conservative dickwad, of course he doesn't support LGBT rights or believe the T part is a real thing. I stopped watching Top Gear as a fucking teen because I got pissed off with him constantly making a joke out of things like Climate Change, Deforestation etc.[/QUOTE]
Hold on a second. I've just gone to read the article, and it references an article Clarkson himself wrote, but doesn't provide a link to the original article. What are you playing at, Mirror? That's TERRIBLE journalism! Anyone have a link to Clarkson's own article?
[QUOTE=Govna;49600562]...this [i]is[/i] the reality of the person. He's a celebrity, these are the things he has said, these are the things he has done, and these are the reasons why it's sensible to dislike him. Also, I don't care if he was "going through a lot". You don't assault people who haven't done anything wrong, you don't act like a manchild over because a hotel's food service couldn't cater to your every need, you don't act like a bigot over people that are different from you either. Don't be a spoiled, self-centered bitch. That goes for every human being out there, not just Clarkson. Craigewan summed it up earlier:[/QUOTE] Yeah essentially what you're saying is "if you don't toe my line, I'll treat you like you're a malicious cunt" I'm honestly more opposed to what you're implying with that mindset than I am to people just saying bigoted things, we can argue about that. You're trying to argue that shutting down all conversation is actually for the best. It isn't. Like someone said a political view point you don't agree with? Fucking fire them, that's what you're saying. That's what Craigewan was saying. "If you don't agree with me on my political issues, you can't have a job". That's trash. Utter trash. Yeah, I'm not saying he was justified of it, but if you were going through a divorce and a cancer scare, you'd be 100% fine, right? You'd be unaffected by that, right? Don't even pretend you're talking about the person himself and not a strawman you drew up, as I know, factually speaking, you haven't read the article this article is talking about as it is paywalled so to imply you're not making grave assumptions about him is actually straight up a fucking lie.
I couldn't be assed to read through 9 pages of people screaming over eachother. Did anyone access the full article?
Honestly I'd prefer people voice their opinions because it gives me the ability to refute them and hopefully change it.
10 pages of arguing and terrible journalism is to blame.
[QUOTE=Swilly;49600582]I couldn't be assed to read through 9 pages of people screaming over eachother. Did anyone access the full article?[/QUOTE] Sadly no, I don't think so.
[QUOTE=woolio1;49600563]Hold on a second. I've just gone to read the article, and it references an article Clarkson himself wrote, but doesn't provide a link to the original article. What are you playing at, Mirror? That's TERRIBLE journalism! Anyone have a link to Clarkson's own article?[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/comment/columns/jeremyclarkson/article1659305.ece"]http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/comment/columns/jeremyclarkson/article1659305.ece[/URL] There you go, but you'll need a subscription. If you actually can read it, could you post it?
See, I want to at least see his whole opinion so I can refute it piece by piece instead of having a couple of mouthpieces use soundbytes to trump up their own Social justice cred and feel good about themselves.
I have a feeling most of the arguing is coming from the fact that the first page of this thread had quite a number of people agreeing with him, rather than his actual opinion.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;49600619][URL="http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/comment/columns/jeremyclarkson/article1659305.ece"]http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/comment/columns/jeremyclarkson/article1659305.ece[/URL] There you go, but you'll need a subscription. If you actually can read it, could you post it?[/QUOTE] I cannot. Paywalls ruin everything.
[QUOTE=AbioFlesh;49600652]I have a feeling most of the arguing is coming from the fact that the first page of this thread had quite a number of people agreeing with him, rather than his actual opinion.[/QUOTE] The thread title had "transgender" in it. I expected nothing less than ten pages of shitstorm because transgenderism debates ALWAYS trigger massive and impossible to follow debates. No really, I'm also not reading ten pages of shit. Has there been any news beyond the paywall or was this a ruse of bad journalism?
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Hey I don't think many passerby readers stop to post things like this, but I flipped through all 10 pages and I really appreciated some of the responses people made in an attempt to educate others on transgender issues and sciences. I'm still learning plenty myself, and it's really cool to see such an active community defend and debate transgender issues and help explain where people are misguided. I know it's a pain to keep repeating the same info over and over to new groups of posters, but I figured I'd at least let you know it's very welcomed. Never really had to take a stance on what Jeremy's said or done (never watched Top Gear, always thought he was kinda rude), but this was definitely way over the line based on the clips in the OP. Since we don't know the exact context of his remarks, I don't want to bag on him too much (if the theory that it was remarks he "used to think" is true), but what I read was really disappointing to know that a public figure many follow could get away with saying those things.
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