• Jeremy Clarkson really doesn't want to make another car show, this time by comparing transgenderism
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[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;49605541]He's said some really offensive shit off-air... like what exactly? I think you'll find that everyone occasionally says something that is offensive to someone out there. Like the people who take his tongue-in-cheek comments about truckers and cyclists to heart, people who I can do nothing but laugh at.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturevideo/tvandradiovideo/8927427/Jeremy-Clarkson-on-public-sector-strikers-Id-have-them-all-shot.html[/url] [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2069493/Jeremy-Clarkson-brands-suicide-victims-selfish.html[/url] just telling it like it is! get a sense of humour!! [editline]25th January 2016[/editline] i understand that 90% of the things he says is made up bs for comedic value but sometimes he's like that one "real and unfiltered" guy who keeps trying to push the limit and it suddenly all the joking becomes very unfunny [editline]25th January 2016[/editline] and there is a huge difference between joking with your friends in private and saying some really dumb shit on national television
[QUOTE=TreasoN.avi;49603897]Dude, he's 55. That's like faulting people who owned slaves back when they were pretty much the norm. Yeah, for everyone in the newer generations what he said seems really awful, but that's just how his generation views the world [i]for the most part[/i]. So for people saying "He's pretty much right", in his generations eyes, he is. You can't tell someone they're wrong about this view either, because all the moral codes we hold today won't be the same in 2-3 generations and people will look back at us and call us bigots just the same.[/QUOTE] People in their fifties aren't relics that are blind to cultural change. I think you're overestimating how common it is/was for people of that generation to hold such views, they were more common back in the day but not really the norm. Unless you're racist, sexist, homophobic etc you probably have nothing to worry about in the future, but if by some chance you're one day seen as a bigot would you hold your bigoted beliefs or educate yourself? Besides, awful behaviour being the norm in a culture doesn't change that it's awful behaviour.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49604388]even w/ the paywall issue most of the thread is people arguing over the legitimacy of transgendered people, rather than talking about the original subject[/QUOTE] Clarkson has Facepunch alts scattered across time
Oh lord, the day frankie Boyle says something on the subject of transgender, facepunch might literally shit itself Jeremy clarkson, while having this very dry, cynical sense of humour never instinctively said anything wrong, and went back to his previous opinion to debunk them. His actual statement was about children and how parents shouldn't "push" their childrens "preferred" gender choices since they are at an age where different phases are common and the mind is still growing, actively pushing on your child's want to be something else brings up to possibility of fill regret later on in life when said phases go and one matures I'm full and supportive of the lgbt movements, alongside transgenderism; I personally believe everyone is entitled to what they want to be, as long as they are mature enough and content with that choic, but many of you in this thread are genuinely arguing about a old, Conservative show presenter. While yeah many older people aren't entirely sure about the subject, you need to realise they grew up in a completely different environment to yourself. Give it 40 years and many of our own kids will feel the same about us, we will all have some fucked up opinion that we grew up with that will carry on with us till we die, and our children will be bought up and accustomed to different beliefs entirely, just think about that one. [editline]26th January 2016[/editline] Just feel lucky we live in an era where many social problems that have built up over the course of the last 80-90 years are finally being resolved
[QUOTE=cr2142;49607953]Jeremy clarkson, while having this very dry, cynical sense of humour never instinctively said anything wrong, and went back to his previous opinion to debunk them. His actual statement was about children and how parents shouldn't "push" their childrens "preferred" gender choices since they are at an age where different phases are common and the mind is still growing, actively pushing on your child's want to be something else brings up to possibility of fill regret later on in life when said phases go and one matures[/QUOTE] So does anyone plan on actually reading the thread before making comments like these? If you did you'd see what you're saying is a pretty moot point.
I must be in the stone age because I don't understand trans people and I think its weird. To me it's still a mental health problem.
[QUOTE=BenJammin';49608749]I must be in the stone age because I don't understand trans people and I think its weird. To me it's still a mental health problem.[/QUOTE] if you have all the tools at your finger tips to learn about them and have had tons of medical research dumped in this thread even, then maybe you should educate yourself rather than do the opposite, which is remain willfully ignorant?
[QUOTE=Alice3173;49608260]So does anyone plan on actually reading the thread before making comments like these? If you did you'd see what you're saying is a pretty moot point.[/QUOTE] Thread all the way through buddy, and yeah that was pretty much all he said, talking about his opinions from the past with how he feels about young children who feel there trans Besides moot or not am I not allowed to say what I want either? Jesus christ.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;49605595]If you read the very first page you would have answered your own question. If you bothered reading the thread rather than trying to jump in with this bullshit comment you'd realize that very few people were actually discussing Clarkson and instead were pointing out how/why what people said earlier in the thread were wrong. Gotta do your best to feel superior to the others in the thread though, no?[/QUOTE] erm, someone got aggressive quick. read the first 3 pages, all of it is essentially clarkson is evil anyway, i know that no matter what i type in here, probably no one will listen because FP
It's a little different than "one comment" More of, another grain of sand in the beach.
[QUOTE=cr2142;49609951]Thread all the way through buddy, and yeah that was pretty much all he said, talking about his opinions from the past with how he feels about young children who feel there trans Besides moot or not am I not allowed to say what I want either? Jesus christ.[/QUOTE] Are you forgetting the "ladyboy" comment? That's like slipping in "faggot" during a rant about how parents push their kids to be homosexual. If he truly changed his ways then I recant what I said earlier in this thread but don't pretend what he said was at all reasonable. The "taking your boy to the doctor to get his dick chopped off" part is also especially egregious but multiple people are defending him and saying he is completely right and the thread turned into arguing with them.
Humor that offends others is hilarious. Humor that offends me is distasteful, over the line, and frankly should result in people getting fired.
If only the thread wasn't behind a paywall the newer posters coming in would have a chance to see the resolution near the end.
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;49610224]Are you forgetting the "ladyboy" comment? That's like slipping in "faggot" during a rant about how parents push their kids to be homosexual. If he truly changed his ways then I recant what I said earlier in this thread but don't pretend what he said was at all reasonable. The "taking your boy to the doctor to get his dick chopped off" part is also especially egregious but multiple people are defending him and saying he is completely right and the thread turned into arguing with them.[/QUOTE] Seems like he's describing terms previously used by him, what's the problem?
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;49610224]Are you forgetting the "ladyboy" comment? That's like slipping in "faggot" during a rant about how parents push their kids to be homosexual. If he truly changed his ways then I recant what I said earlier in this thread but don't pretend what he said was at all reasonable. The "taking your boy to the doctor to get his dick chopped off" part is also especially egregious but multiple people are defending him and saying he is completely right and the thread turned into arguing with them.[/QUOTE] Language and tone policing is just annoying. What matters is the point being put across.
Well... we'll see what Amazon thinks of this. Not sure if they'd go as far as to nuke the whole program over this, but we'll have to wait and see. [QUOTE=fredstin22;49597916]He's entitled to his own opinion. Don't ask if you don't want to know.[/QUOTE] Yup, that's what I think as well. It's his opinion, whether one likes it/agrees with it or not, it's his prerogative and there's nothing he can do about it, people's reactions to what he says are [I]their own.[/I] [editline]26th January 2016[/editline] The UK may be a nanny state -as in, don't stay up past 11pm and you can only fap from this government-approved porn list-, but at least you can still freely speak your mind, yes?
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;49610737]Seems like he's describing terms previously used by him, what's the problem?[/QUOTE] Problem is people were agreeing with him before the paywall article revealed it was his prior thoughts. [editline]26th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pretiacruento;49612706]Well... we'll see what Amazon thinks of this. Not sure if they'd go as far as to nuke the whole program over this, but we'll have to wait and see. Yup, that's what I think as well. It's his opinion, whether one likes it/agrees with it or not, it's his prerogative and there's nothing he can do about it, people's reactions to what he says are [I]their own.[/I] [editline]26th January 2016[/editline] The UK may be a nanny state -as in, don't stay up past 11pm and you can only fap from this government-approved porn list-, but at least you can still freely speak your mind, yes?[/QUOTE] Man how long are people going to hold up the "it's his opinion!" shield? It's a complete redirection of the argument. Can you explain to me the relevance of this post?
How long until not holding the majority opinion is just a social crime? I don't like the idea that holding an unpopular opinion alone is enough to treat someone like trash. I'd rather wait til they do an action that's harmful
[QUOTE=L33t Pinez;49610091]erm, someone got aggressive quick. read the first 3 pages, all of it is essentially clarkson is evil anyway, i know that no matter what i type in here, probably no one will listen because FP[/QUOTE] I've read every post in the thread. Very little of it has actually been "Clarkson is evil". Most of it has been people saying he was right before someone quoted the rest of the article for us and other people telling them why they're being dumb for claiming that. [QUOTE=cr2142;49609951]Thread all the way through buddy, and yeah that was pretty much all he said, talking about his opinions from the past with how he feels about young children who feel there trans Besides moot or not am I not allowed to say what I want either? Jesus christ.[/QUOTE] You may want to word things better then. Your post seemed like it was pointed towards the same sort of thing people keep claiming and being wrong about which is that everyone was just shitting on Clarkson which is outright not the case at all.
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;49613229]Man how long are people going to hold up the "it's his opinion!" shield? It's a complete redirection of the argument. Can you explain to me the relevance of this post?[/QUOTE] There is no [I]argument;[/I] it's his opinion and that's okay, period. Having a bunch of people throwing a fit over what he said - "how DARE you say something I strongly disagree!" - doesn't solve anything. If anything, most of the people on this thread who are blowing this out of proportion and make it sound as if he said he was going to rape their firstborn or something, ought to remember the phrase "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." For a bunch of self-proclaimed tolerant people, you all seem to be calling out for blood for no gawddamn reason other than him expressing old-fashioned views in his signature tongue-in-cheek sense of humor.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49613797]How long until not holding the majority opinion is just a social crime? I don't like the idea that holding an unpopular opinion alone is enough to treat someone like trash. I'd rather wait til they do an action that's harmful[/QUOTE] Trans acceptance is very much not a majority opinion. People have the right to judge you for your opinions, if you don't want them judged then don't express them. Would I be wrong to treat a homophobe with criticism?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49613797]How long until not holding the majority opinion is just a social crime? I don't like the idea that holding an unpopular opinion alone is enough to treat someone like trash. I'd rather wait til they do an action that's harmful[/QUOTE] I sure hate niggers. I really do. Spics to, fuck'em. Hey! Don't get angry at me! I'm just not having the popular opinion, stop acting like it's a social crime!!! [editline]26th January 2016[/editline] Like honestly what bullshit line of reasoning is that
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;49614415]There is no [I]argument;[/I] it's his opinion and that's okay, period. Having a bunch of people throwing a fit over what he said - "how DARE you say something I strongly disagree!" - doesn't solve anything. If anything, most of the people on this thread who are blowing this out of proportion and make it sound as if he said he was going to rape their firstborn or something, ought to remember the phrase "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." For a bunch of self-proclaimed tolerant people, you all seem to be calling out for blood for no gawddamn reason other than him expressing old-fashioned views in his signature tongue-in-cheek sense of humor.[/QUOTE] Your perception that people want Clarkson tarred and feathered is a machination entirely of your own doing; the fact that he has the right to an opinion is extremely evident and was never in question (feel free to quote posts that say otherwise). He chose to voice an ignorant opinion and was criticized for it before it was revealed this was merely what he used to think, due in part to shitty paywalls and questionable journalism.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49614692]I sure hate niggers. I really do. Spics to, fuck'em. Hey! Don't get angry at me! I'm just not having the popular opinion, stop acting like it's a social crime!!! [editline]26th January 2016[/editline] Like honestly what bullshit line of reasoning is that[/QUOTE] It's one that judges people by what they do rather than the ignorant things they might think. I'm not trying to justify it, but it's a bit ridiculous to be the opinion and thought police and even pretend to be progressive.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49614811]It's one that judges people by what they do rather than the ignorant things they might think. I'm not trying to justify it, but it's a bit ridiculous to be the opinion and thought police and even pretend to be progressive.[/QUOTE] But thinking for yourself and not going with the majority opinion is difficult and god forbid it might cause conflict because different opinions are bad.
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;49614680]Trans acceptance is very much not a majority opinion. People have the right to judge you for your opinions, if you don't want them judged then don't express them. Would I be wrong to treat a homophobe with criticism?[/QUOTE] Criticism is different than what's being argued here. Someone has an opinion. You have an opinion on that opinion. Still no problems. When your opinion is that someone else isn't allowed their opinion or the right to express themselves full stop that's where I stop feeling the camaraderie of us both looking out for trans people.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49614811]It's one that judges people by what they do rather than the ignorant things they might think. I'm not trying to justify it, but it's a bit ridiculous to be the opinion and thought police and even pretend to be progressive.[/QUOTE] The problem is that ones views influence those they come into contact with. Those who are vocal about their harmful opinions more often then not end up spreading them and perpetuating the harm that such things cause. I'm not saying we should persecute them mind you, I'm saying that if one voices a harmful opinion then every attempt should be made to show them its flaws.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49614831]The problem is that ones views influence those they come into contact with. Those who are vocal about their harmful opinions more often then not end up spreading them and perpetuating the harm that such things cause. I'm not saying we should persecute them mind you, I'm saying that if one voices a harmful opinion then every attempt should be made to show them its flaws.[/QUOTE] Who decides which opinions are harmful?
[QUOTE=pkhzor;49614846]Who decides which opinions are harmful?[/QUOTE] That's a personal decision for anyone who wants to call out someones opinion to make. In my view a "harmful opinion" is one that isn't founded on logic or reason and directly leads to the spread of ignorance, misinformation, or any other of the plethora of things that eventually lead to discrimination or intolerance.
What a twatty thing to say. I usually support Clarkson but I can't back him on this. (On that note I do agree it's ridiculous for parents to blindly go full into the transgender arena at the first subtle signs, you never know if these things are just phases at that age. If it sticks around in later years, sure, but if your 8-year old wants to wear "girl clothes" it doesn't quite make them transgender).
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