• Jeremy Clarkson really doesn't want to make another car show, this time by comparing transgenderism
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There's kind of a thing where transppl experiences are invalidated if they "didn't know from an early age." The same people will go around to say people claiming they did know are either "just rewriting their past to be convenient" or that they "were too young to know anyway"
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49614823]Criticism is different than what's being argued here. Someone has an opinion. You have an opinion on that opinion. Still no problems. When your opinion is that someone else isn't allowed their opinion or the right to express themselves full stop that's where I stop feeling the camaraderie of us both looking out for trans people.[/QUOTE] most people weren't saying he couldn't hold that opinion though, they were just pointing out how backward it is there's a difference between trying to stop someone's opinions and a public outcry
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;49619003]most people weren't saying he couldn't hold that opinion though, they were just pointing out how backward it is there's a difference between trying to stop someone's opinions and a public outcry[/QUOTE] Demanding someone lose their job because people didn't read a pay walled article is not a public outcry, it's short of a witch hunt.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49619051]Demanding someone lose their job because people didn't read a pay walled article is not a public outcry, it's short of a witch hunt.[/QUOTE] But that's my point I went back to read the first couple of pages of the thread just to check I wasn't imagining things, and the fact is no one is really saying he should lose his job. People are calling him rude words, but they aren't calling for his resignation or termination.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49619051]Demanding someone lose their job because people didn't read a pay walled article is not a public outcry, it's short of a witch hunt.[/QUOTE] Well first off nobody in this thread implied anything of that sort, but even if they were, so what? Do these hypothetical people not have the right to express their opinion that Jeremy Clarkson should lose his job? People like Pretiacruento are saying that Clarkson's opinion deserves respect merely on the merits of its own existence, so why isn't that same courtesy offered to this strawman argument you're purporting? Is it because you disagree? Because that would be incredibly ironic.
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;49619970]Well first off nobody in this thread implied anything of that sort, but even if they were, so what? Do these hypothetical people not have the right to express their opinion that Jeremy Clarkson should lose his job? People like Pretiacruento are saying that Clarkson's opinion deserves respect merely on the merits of its own existence, so why isn't that same courtesy offered to this strawman argument you're purporting? Is it because you disagree? Because that would be incredibly ironic.[/QUOTE] Where did I even remotely imply they can't hold that opinion? It's just not a mildly productive one.
Who gives a fuck if an old dude makes fun of trannies. Majority of you shitheads didn't give a shit about the racist joke either. Its not that big of a deal.
[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;49620794]Who gives a fuck if an old dude makes fun of trannies. Majority of you shitheads didn't give a shit about the racist joke either. Its not that big of a deal.[/QUOTE] the problem here is that Clarkson's statements can with ease reach thousands of people (and maybe even more), and that his statements in this case could be interpreted as transphobia it is actually a kind of a big deal, since what he has said could spread transphobia to anyone who hears his statements
[QUOTE=cynaraos;49630032]the problem here is that Clarkson's statements can with ease reach thousands of people (and maybe even more), and that his statements in this case could be interpreted as transphobia it is actually a kind of a big deal, since what he has said could spread transphobia to anyone who hears his statements[/QUOTE] Not if they read his whole statement. This is the fault of clickbaitish media catering to the audience who responds most to it
[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;49620794]Who gives a fuck if an old dude makes fun of trannies. Majority of you shitheads didn't give a shit about the racist joke either. Its not that big of a deal.[/QUOTE] Its a big deal because he's somone people look up to as a role model. Peope tend to mirror the opinions of those they listen to without realizing it. [editline]29th January 2016[/editline] Also trannies is a p. offensive term to use unless you're talking about car transmissions
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49630048]Not if they read his whole statement. This is the fault of clickbaitish media catering to the audience who responds most to it[/QUOTE] I realized this fairly early in this thread's life. I didn't write my previous post while ignoring Clarkson's full statement.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49630052]Its a big deal because he's somone people look up to as a role model. Peope tend to mirror the opinions of those they listen to without realizing it. [editline]29th January 2016[/editline] Also trannies is a p. offensive term to use unless you're talking about car transmissions[/QUOTE] Actually the use of trannoe depends on which portion of the community you ask. There is currently infighting about the word in the Trans community.
ITT: FP deconstructs another one of Clarkson's bigoted rants to try and defend him cos he was funny on that pretend car magazine show. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("ITT" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=cyanidem;49630291]ITT: FP deconstructs another one of Clarkson's bigoted rants to try and defend him cos he was funny on that pretend car magazine show.[/QUOTE] You didn't read anything.
[QUOTE=cyanidem;49630291]ITT: FP deconstructs another one of Clarkson's bigoted rants to try and defend him cos he was funny on that pretend car magazine show.[/QUOTE] ITT: People who didn't read the actual article, such as yourself. I posted it earlier, go look for it and read it properly before you say dumb shit [editline]29th January 2016[/editline] Fuck, people are excessively sensitive
[QUOTE=Swilly;49630258]Actually the use of trannoe depends on which portion of the community you ask. There is currently infighting about the word in the Trans community.[/QUOTE] Nearly all of whom are going to disagree with usage by people who aren't ingroup, though.
[QUOTE=cyanidem;49630291]ITT: FP deconstructs another one of Clarkson's bigoted rants to try and defend him cos he was funny on that pretend car magazine show.[/QUOTE] literally nothing in this post makes sense
[QUOTE=Swilly;49630258]Actually the use of trannoe depends on which portion of the community you ask. There is currently infighting about the word in the Trans community.[/QUOTE] The vast majority of trans individuals to my knowledge, including myself, seem to think of it as an offensive term
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49631929]The vast majority of trans individuals to my knowledge, including myself, seem to think of it as an offensive term[/QUOTE] just adopt it like how gay guys like referring to one-another as queers
[QUOTE=Coffee;49631999]just adopt it like how gay guys like referring to one-another as queers[/QUOTE] Some people do. The problem is that even if the word is taken in by the community it still retains its offensive connotation in offensive contexts.
Queer has taken a much broader meaning of just an umbrella term for alternate sexualities, which is prety great. You could make an argument reclaiming "tranny" is similar to trying to reclaim "faggot" You can certainly do it to people you know well, or are close to, but it's not going to have great optics outside, not for a while, if ever.
Clarkson being Clarkson. Shocker [editline]29th January 2016[/editline] That wasn't sarcasm I'm actually shocked
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49632020]Some people do. The problem is that even if the word is taken in by the community it still retains its offensive connotation in offensive contexts.[/QUOTE] the word tranny was not "taken in" by the community. it was made by the trans/drag queen community in australia. [url]http://katebornstein.typepad.com/kate_bornsteins_blog/2009/07/[/url] [url]http://katebornstein.typepad.com/kate_bornsteins_blog/2014/05/tranny-revisited-by-auntie-kate.html[/url] this does not mean though you can call every trans person a tranny. those that accept the term only.
[QUOTE=Wii60;49635582]the word tranny was not "taken in" by the community. it was made by the trans/drag queen community in australia. [url]http://katebornstein.typepad.com/kate_bornsteins_blog/2009/07/[/url] [url]http://katebornstein.typepad.com/kate_bornsteins_blog/2014/05/tranny-revisited-by-auntie-kate.html[/url] this does not mean though you can call every trans person a tranny. those that accept the term only.[/QUOTE] Yeah no shit. I'm trans myself, I know.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49635686]Yeah no shit. I'm trans myself, I know.[/QUOTE] well you were saying its a offensive term on general earlier so i was just makin sure
[QUOTE=Wii60;49635695]well you were saying its a offensive term on general earlier so i was just makin sure[/QUOTE] The offensiveness of a word is entirely dependent on the context of its use.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49635707]The offensiveness of a word is entirely dependent on the context of its use.[/QUOTE] Why do you see it as an offensive word in general if you believe that offensiveness is ranked on context? I think we can see it as like 'jew', it can be seen as bad if I intended on a negative meaning behind it, but otherwise I can just be referring to Jewish people.
[QUOTE=Alice_01;49635738]Why do you see it as an offensive word in general if you believe that offensiveness is ranked on context? I think we can see it as like 'jew', it can be seen as bad if I intended on a negative meaning behind it, but otherwise I can just be referring to Jewish people.[/QUOTE] I see something as offensive if the intent was to offend. For example if one was ignorant and used the word tranny then there would be no reason to take offense as none was meant. If one was making a joke and used the word then, sure its shit, but in the end the intent wasn't to offend. Now if someone calls me a "fucking tranny" or something to that effect then yes, it is quite offensive.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49631929]The vast majority of trans individuals to my knowledge, including myself, seem to think of it as an offensive term[/QUOTE] To your knowledge; I have the opposite experience. Welcome to anecdotes.
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;49632370]Clarkson being Clarkson. Shocker [editline]29th January 2016[/editline] That wasn't sarcasm I'm actually shocked[/QUOTE] Shocked that Clarkson actually is okay with Trans people?
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