Jeremy Clarkson really doesn't want to make another car show, this time by comparing transgenderism
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[QUOTE=Jordax;49598300]
My older niece was also in such a phrase when she was younger, in they way that she preferred to be treated as a boy until she was 15 or so. It completely went away after that. Locking a 10-year old kid into a choice they made then for the rest of their lives just doesn't seem right to me. Yeah, I know that it is a controversial opinion here, but that's my take on it.[/QUOTE]
there's a difference between being a tomboy and having gender dysphoria
[QUOTE=Jund;49598326]there's a difference between being a tomboy and having gender dysphoria[/QUOTE]
What happens when you like, want to be a boy (assuming you're a girl) when you're like 11 and your parents start feeding you hormones or w/e they do and then when you're 19 and transitioned to a boy, you're like... "Damn, why did I do this?"
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;49598321]Is anyone surprised? I was always surprised people defended him before whenever he said or did stupid shit because "Top Gear wouldn't be the same without him."
As someone who doesn't care about Top Gear, it was always pretty obvious he was a shitty person. People were just filtering his shit through the lens of liking his work.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I'm just surprised people are STILL defending him after the shit he has done.
Iirc according to my Psych professor, people tend to become more set in their ways and opinions as they get older - so once you do start getting into your 50s and 60s you're fairly set in your ways.
Obviously not EVERYONE is that way, but on the whole that's how our brains end up.
[QUOTE=Jund;49598326]there's a difference between being a tomboy and having gender dysphoria[/QUOTE]
That's his point, it is extremely questionable to outright assume a gender change at that young an age.
[QUOTE=Jund;49598326]there's a difference between being a tomboy and having gender dysphoria[/QUOTE]
Can gender dysphoria be properly diagnosed at a young age?
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49598318]he should have said "refugee transgenders with guns leaving the eu banning violent sexual videogames are a good thing"[/QUOTE]
It yearn for the day when I see this topic in Sensationalist Headlines.
[QUOTE=kikomia;49598331]What happens when you like, want to be a boy (assuming you're a girl) when you're like 11 and your parents start feeding you hormones or w/e they do and then when you're 19 and transitioned to a boy, you're like... "Damn, why did I do this?"[/QUOTE]
something that is very likely not going to happen if you're consulting with professionals?
[QUOTE=kikomia;49598331]What happens when you like, want to be a boy (assuming you're a girl) when you're like 11 and your parents start feeding you hormones or w/e they do and then when you're 19 and transitioned to a boy, you're like... "Damn, why did I do this?"[/QUOTE]
That...doesn't happen. You don't just pop to the corner shop and buy "hormones". You take your kid to therapy, they get checked the fuck out by a trained psychologist, live a few years as their desired gender to prove they really want it and know what they are getting in to, then maybe get hormones prescribed.
Like, you can find all this shit out yourself with a few minutes of Internet research (that excludes shitholes like 90% of the forums out there, Breitbart, the numerous Chans) or by asking any of the transgendered people around here. They're generally happy to explain if you aren't a dickhole.
[QUOTE=kikomia;49598331]What happens when you like, want to be a boy (assuming you're a girl) when you're like 11 and your parents start feeding you hormones or w/e they do and then when you're 19 and transitioned to a boy, you're like... "Damn, why did I do this?"[/QUOTE]
Has there been a case where a child was prescribed hormone replacements or had their genitals surgically removed?
[QUOTE=Lium;49598065]People believing they're something they're not is less valid than people believing they're something they're not.
Well that sure is an amazing argument, you've completely changed my outlook.[/QUOTE]
There's a subtle difference between feeling like you'd rather have a different set of genitals and wanting to have a completely different genetic makeup.
and by subtle I mean huge
We know there are intersex people, and we know that there are some differences between male and female brains. It's not out of the question for there to be a small percentage of people to have their development in the womb messed up so that they have a male/female genetic makeup and form, but female/male brain functions. Especially since some form differences (ex. height) can be hard to discern between "they're just short/tall" and "they aren't 100% male/female".
Fetuses have their genitals develop starting around 8 weeks, having an external form by 13 weeks (even if they're not fully formed), but the brain still has much to develop by 21 weeks. It's not hard to imagine a hormone problem occurring in that timespan.
Trans people might even just be a different type of intersex than normal.
[I]On the other hand[/I]
For someone to legitimately have species dysphoria, either
-Their parents, grandparents, greatgrandparents, whatever, reproduced with an animal (which goes against everything we know in reproduction, ex. even mules are sterile, and they're between horses and donkeys, much closer than a human and a fox/cat/whatever). Furthermore, the children of this absurd coupling, despite the fact that they should have genetics of both species, are 100% physically human except for the part of the brain that determines mental image of body structure. This would likely require having many extra chromosomes.
-Humans, despite splitting from a common ancestor who knows how long ago, kept a full set of extra chromosomes for that other species for that long, without anyone ever turning out as a minotaur. Not only this, but the extra chromosomes changed to match the other species, despite no genetic interaction between humans and that species.
[QUOTE=Thlis;49598337]That's his point, it is extremely questionable to outright assume a gender change at that young an age.[/QUOTE]
i just said there's a difference, can you read?
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49598318]he should have said "refugee transgenders with guns leaving the eu banning violent sexual videogames are a good thing"[/QUOTE]
Oh come on, did you forget already that a bunch of refugees did try to stone two transgenders to death in Dusseldorf, Germany last week?
And the most disgusting thing is, that people on here actually defended that because those refugees didn't know any better.
[QUOTE=kikomia;49598331]What happens when you like, want to be a boy (assuming you're a girl) when you're like 11 and your parents start feeding you hormones or w/e they do and then when you're 19 and transitioned to a boy, you're like... "Damn, why did I do this?"[/QUOTE]
thinking that it's like flipping a switch is really goddamn offensive to what a lot of trans people go through. getting hormones is not like going out and buying a some milk
[QUOTE=Wiggles;49598365]Has there been a case where a child was prescribed hormone replacements or had their genitals surgically removed?[/QUOTE]
I believe so, yeah.
[QUOTE=Jordax;49598375]Oh come on, did you forget already that a bunch of refugees did try to stone two transgenders to death in Dusseldorf, Germany last week?
And the most disgusting thing is, that people on here actually defended that because those refugees didn't know any better.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, I didn't know about that.
[QUOTE=Jund;49598391]thinking that it's like flipping a switch is really goddamn offensive to what a lot of trans people go through. getting hormones is not like going out and buying a some milk[/QUOTE]
It's as easy as an 11 year old girl saying "I want to be a boy, mommy."
[QUOTE=Jordax;49598375]And the most disgusting thing is, that people on here actually defended that because those refugees didn't know any better.[/QUOTE]
Mind pointing to examples?
[QUOTE=kikomia;49598408]It's as easy as an 11 year old girl saying "I want to be a boy, mommy."[/QUOTE]
Is it?
[QUOTE=kikomia;49598408]It's as easy as an 11 year old girl saying "I want to be a boy, mommy."[/QUOTE]
wow
[QUOTE=kikomia;49598408]It's as easy as an 11 year old girl saying "I want to be a boy, mommy."[/QUOTE]
Aight guys. Go home, we're done here. Nothing is changing this guys mind clearly.
[QUOTE=kikomia;49598408]It's as easy as an 11 year old girl saying "I want to be a boy, mommy."[/QUOTE]
this is officially the second worst post of 2016
-wrong thread lol look at the cute cat pic-
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49598361]That...doesn't happen. You don't just pop to the corner shop and buy "hormones". You take your kid to therapy, they get checked the fuck out by a trained psychologist, live a few years as their desired gender to prove they really want it and know what they are getting in to, then maybe get hormones prescribed.
Like, you can find all this shit out yourself with a few minutes of Internet research (that excludes shitholes like 90% of the forums out there, Breitbart, the numerous Chans) or by asking any of the transgendered people around here. They're generally happy to explain if you aren't a dickhole.[/QUOTE]
One of the most annoying aspects of transphobia is this mistaken idea that all you have to say is "I feel like a guy/girl". At least here in the US where I am, the process is extremely vague, but as I understand it basically goes that one, you're going to have to go see a psychologist, and tell him about your feelings, and convince [I]him[/I] that you're trans. Then he diagnoses you with gender dysphoria disorder. Should be simple, go get your hormones right? Nope. You now have to go see a gender therapist for a number of months (I believe 6 months) and be compliant wholly in their treatment, and they need to write a letter that says so. On top of that, you need to live as your gender for a similarly long period of time. After that, you go see an endocrinologist and only then will they [I]maybe[/I] give you hormone treatment, if they fully believe you're trans and ready and compliant.
And a sex change? It's far more complicated than just hopping off to the hospital and saying 'Hey, chop off my dick'. It requires [I]years[/I] of living as your gender and hormone therapy before you can be a candidate, and it costs several thousands of dollars, and the procedure is much much much more complicated than 'chop it off'. It requires several hoops and leaps and you have to be very committed to get through it all.
And all of this can depend extremely heavily on whether or not any of these people you have to go through believe you, and aren't bigoted. Because guess what, you can be fucked over because your doctor, therapist, psychologist, thinks transgenderism is bullshit and wants to try to convince you you're not.
No, you cannot just say you want to be a girl and then just do it. No, a pervert cannot just say 'I'm a girl now' and be all scummy. I wish the process was a third as easy as that.
[QUOTE=kikomia;49598408]It's as easy as an 11 year old girl saying "I want to be a boy, mommy."[/QUOTE]
And you frankly don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
People are saying Jeremy is a bigot, or intolerant, I don't think that's true at all. He's stating an opinion, that you may or may not agree with, but he's not pushing out other opinions, he's not being intolerant of them. He's disagreeing and giving you reasons. Whether you agree with the reasons or not.
That's not what bigotry or intolerance is.
Now if he said they shouldn't be allowed certain freedoms you would have a point. But don't say he's a bigot if you don't know what the word means.
[QUOTE=kikomia;49598408]It's as easy as an 11 year old girl saying "I want to be a boy, mommy."[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, no it's not, are you that unwilling to listen to people in this thread.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49598439]Holy shit, no it's not, are you that unwilling to listen to people in this thread.[/QUOTE]
I think it's pretty obvious that his mind is already made up.
[QUOTE=Jund;49598419]this is officially the second worst post of 2016[/QUOTE]
I can't imagine what the worst one was.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49598113]Yeah, but no it doesn't actually.
People listen to celebrities. People eat whatever Clarkson shits out. People are going to agree with his opinion solely because "the funny car man" said it.[/QUOTE]
Public figures aren't intended to be dishonest and voice one specific view.
It's actually good that he voiced it so that others can easily correct him about it. While there are people who will agree with him, there are also be numerous people who will disagree. There's no huge support in this thread, but a huge amount of disagreement.
[QUOTE=.Lain;49598053]it boggles my mind how people defend him after the cold food incident[/QUOTE]
I don't really mean to be that guy, but wasn't he going through a divorce, a cancer scare, and dealing with the death of his mother at the time?
At the moment I'm not really sure what to think. The article that's not behind the paywall, feels more like they asked his opinion on the matter. Even then I'm still not sure, because as others have posted, some of the sentences seem past tense. Either way I'm not going to pass judgement until some more stuff comes to light.
In regards to the article itself, I feel like it could have been done better. It reads like they asked him questions and he just gave his opinion, which however bigoted it might be, he is still entitled to. That said they could have put down a thing that states that it's just his personal opinion on the matter or even better just not ask at all and let him keep his opinions to himself. I will admit that I think he has a bit of point when it comes to the kids though.
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