Jeremy Clarkson really doesn't want to make another car show, this time by comparing transgenderism
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[QUOTE=Nasspray;49599135]Based Clarkson saying it like it is. If Amazon fire him, he really should think about entering politics. It really feels like us conservatives have been gaining a voice these last few months. Quite a few right-wing Youtubers have emerged, internet free speech zones have grown in popularity, Trump's leading the polls and a close friend of mine recently came out to me as socially conservative.
On topic though, Clarkson's absolutely right. You can dress up and mutilate yourself as much as you like, you'll never truly be who you want to be. Sounds harsh but it's the truth. Maybe if you're lucky, you'll fool people and look somewhat passable, still won't be able to shit out babies or stick magazine pages together (i.e. what actual members of the sex can do).
Until the day that science can rewrite every cell in your body and you grow and baby oven, this case is closed.[/QUOTE]
it would make sense that a conservative around the age of 20 or under would have this opinion. maybe you feel like a minority, or that somehow conservatism is undergoing a resurgence, but the truth is that 2015 saw one of the most progressive years in human history for championing LGBT rights. even conservatives in the UK are becoming more aware of lgbt issues, there really is little hope left for someone that believes that the 'right wing' is somehow inherently tied to disliking LGBT folks; i can guarantee that people from both sides of the political spectrum will find his statements as abhorrent.
[QUOTE=Levithan;49599181]A gay cis man and a gay trans man can have biological children
friggin trans people period can have children before/after HRT depending on circumstances[/QUOTE]
A transwoman can also have children via surrogacy or by freezing sperm and later having a born female partner.
Furthermore medical technology has advanced quite a bit in the past couple of years. The first uterine transplant was done recently for example. Who's to say what the future might bring?
You can almost always stop reading as soon as someone says "telling it like it is."
It really means "I didn't think about this at all and I'm borrowing this person's opinions and thoughts without any further analysis"
I wonder how far can you defend with "MUH OPINIONS" the fact that someone is just insulting and promoting / encouraging hating people just because doesn't understand shit and doesn't even make an effort to.
[QUOTE=Jund;49597922]what the fuck is wrong with this thread[/QUOTE]
stupid drags stupid
[QUOTE=Nasspray;49599135]Based Clarkson saying it like it is. If Amazon fire him, he really should think about entering politics. It really feels like us conservatives have been gaining a voice these last few months. Quite a few right-wing Youtubers have emerged, internet free speech zones have grown in popularity, Trump's leading the polls and a close friend of mine recently came out to me as socially conservative.[/QUOTE]
Nah, those are just your circles of interest. The rest of the world prefers moving on and progressing.
[QUOTE=Craigewan;49598781]Well, pretty huge userbase, gaming is a hobby that transcends political/social belief, so you're bound to have a cross-section of society on it which includes transphobes etc.
I remember back when homophobia and racism were more common on the forum than they are now, so all I can say is that things are improving?[/QUOTE]
not really. from what i remember it was mostly dumb LMAO pics/SH jokes that got you banned instantly. but now with the surge of young republicans, genuine rightwingers from /pol/, and neo-fascists it's actually all real
back then if you said some really stupid homophobic/transphobic/racist shit as the "harsh truth" you would get banned, but now you can get away with it under "freedom of speech" (and some mods are actually inclined towards this thinking)
[QUOTE=Tsanummy;49599204]I wonder how far can you defend with "MUH OPINIONS" the fact that someone is just insulting and promoting /encouraging hating people just because doesn't understand shit.[/QUOTE]
He's not hating. He's not bigoted. He's not intolerant. Look up the definitions of those words. Insulting, yes. Ignorant, probably. I would even concede people using what he says as ammo for hate.
[QUOTE=patq911;49599250]He's not hating. He's not bigoted. He's not intolerant. Look up the definitions of those words. Insulting, yes. Ignorant, possibly. I would even concede people using what he says as ammo for hate.[/QUOTE]
no, not at all
you can act like saying transgender people are never going to be who they are isn't bigoted, insulting, or hateful, but it is.
Why is it? Because if I told you, that you aren't the person you think you are, and you don't even have a right to that, if you weren't totally self confident, that would hurt you.
That's insulting, that's hateful, that's bigoted.
[QUOTE=patq911;49599250]He's not hating. He's not bigoted. He's not intolerant. Look up the definitions of those words. Insulting, yes. Ignorant, possibly. I would even concede people using what he says as ammo for hate.[/QUOTE]
Imagine for a moment someone denied all factual evidence laid down in front of them in order to tell you that you will never be your true self.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49599260]no, not at all
you can act like saying transgender people are never going to be who they are isn't bigoted, insulting, or hateful, but it is.
Why is it? Because if I told you, that you aren't the person you think you are, and you don't even have a right to that, if you weren't totally self confident, that would hurt you.
That's insulting, that's hateful, that's bigoted.[/QUOTE]
That's insulting. that not hateful or bigoted. I don't know how you can twist those words to mean that.
[QUOTE=patq911;49599250]He's not hating. He's not bigoted. He's not intolerant. Look up the definitions of those words. Insulting, yes. Ignorant, possibly. I would even concede people using what he says as ammo for hate.[/QUOTE]
He's generalizing a VERY BIG group of people and insulting them, normalizing an "opinion" that is really hurtful and insulting. If it were just words that'd be fine, everyone could have their "opinion", but those words can and will snowball on other types of violence, not by him, of course, but if we educate our youth like this, they'll just end up thinking beating trans people to death is normal.
[QUOTE=patq911;49599276]That's insulting. that not hateful or bigoted. I don't know how you can twist those words to mean that.[/QUOTE]
If someone outright insults you and denies all factual evidence that has been laid out then is that person not by definition a bigot?
He literally said that trans people should be called ladyboys dude
[QUOTE=patq911;49599276]That's insulting. that not hateful or bigoted. I don't know how you can twist those words to mean that.[/QUOTE]
How is insulting not bigoted? do you even understand the concept?
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49599285]If someone outright insults you and denies all factual evidence that has been laid out then is that person not by definition a bigot?[/QUOTE]
apparently not in his mind
the real world disagrees.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49599292]How is insulting not bigoted? do you even understand the concept?[/QUOTE]
He's not denying rights or saying they're lower than human.
I hate to do this but look up the definition of bigot.
a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions."
lookup tolerant.
"showing willingness to allow the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with."
He's not censoring, or shutting down discussion.
At most he's ignorant and insulting, but that's about all he does for most things, even things he likes.
[QUOTE=patq911;49599276]That's insulting. that not hateful or bigoted. I don't know how you can twist those words to mean that.[/QUOTE]
If bigoted is synonym to 'prejudiced' (Correct me if I'm wrong, as you can see English isn't my main language) then he's bigoted, his "opinions" are judging people before even knowing them, he clearly has no idea and hasn't studied a single thing about gender dsyphoria, so yes, he's PRE-JUDGING people.
And, well, saying that trans people exist on 'the internet' and as 'ladyboys in thailand' is pretty much just admiting he hasn't been in conctact with many trans people and probably hasn't even read a single paper on the issue.
[QUOTE=Tsanummy;49599281]but if we educate our youth like this, they'll just end up thinking beating trans people to death is normal.[/QUOTE]
BULL
SHIT
That is the biggest slippery slope I've ever fucking seen.
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[QUOTE=Tsanummy;49599326]If bigoted is synonym to 'prejudiced' (Correct me if I'm wrong, as you can see English isn't my main language) then he's bigoted, his "opinions" are judging people before even knowing them, he clearly has no idea and hasn't studied a single thing about gender dsyphoria, so yes, he's PRE-JUDGING people.
And, well, saying that trans people exist on 'the internet' and as 'ladyboys in thailand' is pretty much just admiting he hasn't been in conctact with many trans people and probably hasn't even read a single paper on the issue.[/QUOTE]
I might even concede prejudiced, because he's assuming things about people with no reason or actual experience. But I do not concede bigot or hateful.
[QUOTE=patq911;49599315]He's not denying rights or saying they're lower than human.
I hate to do this but look up the definition of bigot.
a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions."
lookup tolerant.
"showing willingness to allow the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with."
He's not censoring, or shutting down discussion.
At most he's ignorant and insulting, but that's about all he does for most things, even things he likes.[/QUOTE]
He is saying that people should not be allowed to express their gender identity. It doesn't take actually ripping hormone treatments out of their mouths to be a bigot. That article was written to be offensive - he didn't try to put forward sensible arguments (because there aren't really any) he just insulted people and made completely inaccurate comparisons to try and prove a point. I would like to know what he has to say to be a bigot in your eyes?
[QUOTE=patq911;49599328]
I might even concede prejudiced, because he's assuming things about people with no reason or actual experience. But I do not concede bigot or hateful.[/QUOTE]
If the only argument you can conjure up is semantics then you have no argument.
There really is no respect for transgender people is there?
Man I can't get my head around some getting heated over someone changing their gender.
[QUOTE=patq911;49599315]He's not denying rights or saying they're lower than human.
I hate to do this but look up the definition of bigot.
a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions."
lookup tolerant.
"showing willingness to allow the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with."
He's not censoring, or shutting down discussion.
At most he's ignorant and insulting, but that's about all he does for most things, even things he likes.[/QUOTE]
I really hate when arguments devolve in to arguing semantics over definitions provided by Google
usually not even an actual Dictionary source just Google
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and I know you got it from Google both because you quoted the Google provided definitions almost verbatim and also because if you had gone on Merriam Webster or Oxford or some shit you would have read
[quote]
Bigot
a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)[/quote]
or
[quote]Bigotry
Intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself
Intolerance
Unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one’s own[/quote]
both of which Jeremy here fits under
[QUOTE=patq911;49599328]BULL
SHIT
That is the biggest slippery slope I've ever fucking seen.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's not like it's happening all around the world in this very moment, and all of those radical ideologies just formed in a single generation, right?
We have thousands of people buried in common graves here in spain, that were killed just because they belonged to a certain collective, and that happened 40 years ago here, in Europe.
But if that's all you can reply I'm not going to bother educating you, it's better for me to express this to the people who will listen, as long as it's before bigoted cunts get to their heads
Now go call me a SJW and win the discussion for me, please
[QUOTE=ChronoBlade;49599352]There really is no respect for transgender people is there?
Man I can't get my head around some getting heated over someone changing their gender.[/QUOTE]
Didn't you hear, transgender people don't even exist, just on the internet. And don't go saying otherwise because that's my opinion so we're on the same level of 'truthness'
Well there goes nearly every ounce of respect I had for the man.
[QUOTE=Nasspray;49599135]Based Clarkson saying it like it is. If Amazon fire him, he really should think about entering politics. It really feels like us conservatives have been gaining a voice these last few months. Quite a few right-wing Youtubers have emerged, internet free speech zones have grown in popularity, Trump's leading the polls and a close friend of mine recently came out to me as socially conservative.
On topic though, Clarkson's absolutely right. You can dress up and mutilate yourself as much as you like, you'll never truly be who you want to be. Sounds harsh but it's the truth. Maybe if you're lucky, you'll fool people and look somewhat passable, still won't be able to shit out babies or stick magazine pages together (i.e. what actual members of the sex can do).
Until the day that science can rewrite every cell in your body and you grow a baby oven, this case is closed.[/QUOTE]
Did you just ignore the mountain of scientific inquiries about transexualism in this thread? Like, there were a lot of studies linked, perhaps you should look to here:
[QUOTE=Shibbey;49598711]Literally everyone qualified to comment on the legitimacy of transexuality disagrees with you.
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2754583/[/url]
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289[/url]
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10843193[/url]
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15724806[/url]
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16140461[/url]
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17765230[/url]
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18056697[/url]
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18980961[/url]
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18962445[/url]
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20562024[/url]
[url]http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.5.6564[/url]
The rest of these below are basically just reaffirming that the medically agreed way of treating gender dysphoria is through sexual reassignment. Read them if you want.
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22051008[/url]
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22105293[/url]
[url]http://www.gires.org.uk/assets/Medpro-Assets/AMA122.pdf[/url]
[url]http://www.wpath.org/site_page.cfm?pk_association_webpage_menu=1352&pk_association_webpage=3947[/url]
[url]http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/about-ama/our-people/member-groups-sections/glbt-advisory-committee/glbt-resources/lgbt-health-resources.page[/url]
[url]http://www.apa.org/about/policy/transgender.aspx[/url]
And this is not including the links I was too stupid to understand the language of, I cut out like, half
Clarkson is a hateful idiot, don't get your political/social ideals from him[/QUOTE]
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you didn't read the thread before posting. Perhaps you should try reading these scientific documents rather than sticking to your half-assed "well you don't got a baby oven!" argument. I understand it's easier to not put forth the effort and instead let your opinions be validated by big personalities like Clarkson, but if you truly think that you have science backing you up, you're dead wrong.
Old man has old ideology. What a surprise
[QUOTE=patq911;49599315]He's not denying rights or saying they're lower than human.
I hate to do this but look up the definition of bigot.
a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions."
lookup tolerant.
"showing willingness to allow the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with."
He's not censoring, or shutting down discussion.
At most he's ignorant and insulting, but that's about all he does for most things, even things he likes.[/QUOTE]
As has already been said, but should be re-iterated
if your entire argument rests on the semantic definition of a word you barely give a fuck enough to even look up in a real dictionary, then you have nothing to contribute to the conversation.
By all practical and real intents and purposes, it was a bigoted statement.
[QUOTE=ChronoBlade;49599352]There really is no respect for transgender people is there?
Man I can't get my head around some getting heated over someone changing their gender.[/QUOTE]
FP has a sizable transgender community. The vast majority of FP is quite tolerant. (Hell I'm trans myself)
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