UN warns world must produce 60% more food by 2050 to avoid mass unrest
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[QUOTE=Leestons;44190873]But so many are too weak and malnourished to work.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly why they have more children.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;44195814]We need another good world war, that did wonders for population control. Though some areas got a shorter stick than others..
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It's a effective solution. Bad, but effective. And there is easier like i said on previous page
[QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;44191568]Only in countries that are unsustainable
As a matter of fact, we should calculate how much a country can feed with the land it has with a minimum amount of GMO/bullshit, and plan how to reward or sanction more/less babies so all countries have a optimal population[/QUOTE]
No.A country can make and sell products with big worth like hi-tech stuff, software, planes, ships and so on, and use that money to import food from elsewhere.
What you need is smart people building smart things, not poor people working the land just to survive.
[QUOTE=Zeemlapje;44189620]Or make less babies?? Less hungry mouths to feed = less food to produce[/QUOTE]
Yeah, start educating young children in school to be afraid of having kids and family also teach them good arguments to use against future girlfriend/wife against having kids. The black guys already knows how it's done :v:
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44189816]That's not the point though, nobody is arguing that you should sell expired food. The argument is that they'll toss out an apple that grew into an imperfect shape, or a can of food with a dent in it (even if there is no penetration).[/QUOTE]
I work in a kitchen for a large hotel and when stock comes in, any can that has a dent in, we send back because a can with a dent in it (Even with no penetration) Is a health risk because of botulism. We have meetings on it all the time.
[QUOTE=godfatherk;44202087]No.A country can make and sell products with big worth like hi-tech stuff, software, planes, ships and so on, and use that money to import food from elsewhere.
What you need is smart people building smart things, not poor people working the land just to survive.[/QUOTE]
Well, a country completely self sustainable when it comes to food is still best
[QUOTE=MR-X;44197302]Jesus Christ, do you guys not rework product?[/QUOTE]
You can't rework mold.
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As it was poor quality received, we received a credit for it though.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44189729]We have [I]tons[/I] of food, half the problem is over-zealous quality control that says "This can is dented, toss it" and "This apple is shaped weird, toss it". Supermarkets throw out half their stock because it's damaged (but not contaminated), it expires (reasonable), or just doesn't look pretty (a total waste).
I wish we had "surplus" markets that took in reject food and sold it at a discount. Although it'd probably end up competing with the supermarket itself, people love cheap food.[/QUOTE]
Overzealous quality control is mostly an effort to keep food prices higher. If they start cheaply selling/giving away food then prices go down. Its a really messed up part of our economy.
[QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;44203077]Well, a country completely self sustainable when it comes to food is still best[/QUOTE]
What about Japan? They have over a hundred million people living on a tiny rocky island.
Produce more food?
How about we start thinking of a way to fight overpopulation?
[QUOTE=Katla;44205046]Produce more food?
How about we start thinking of a way to fight overpopulation?[/QUOTE]
most countries don't have an overpopulation problem, infact about half have a sub-replacement fertility rate.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44205081]most countries don't have an overpopulation problem, infact about half have a sub-replacement fertility rate.[/QUOTE]
It does not matter if most countries don't have this problem. The problem is that we live on a planet that don't have unlimited resources. Should we cut down all the forests to get more land to grow on? should we fish until there is no more fish left?
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/n685x3C.jpg[/IMG]
Can this chart be compared to an economic bubble?
[QUOTE=Katla;44205046]Produce more food?
How about we start thinking of a way to fight overpopulation?[/QUOTE]
Tell me more about this "overpopulation" you speak of and how it is a proven concept that is currently causing us problems.
I think you'll find the problem is more that we do not distribute or allocate resources we already have or produce very effectively to much of the world and that this is the problem - not the "overpopulation"/increased population compared to history itself.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;44189607]Or let less food go to waste.
Seriously. Working last night at a grocery store, I had to throw out several hundred dollars of strawberries because we received a poor quality order. Maybe around 96 1 lb boxes or so[/QUOTE]
This is the sort of situation where people see an issue and wonder "why doesn't somebody do something about that?"
You are somebody
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44189729]We have [I]tons[/I] of food, half the problem is over-zealous quality control that says "This can is dented, toss it" and "This apple is shaped weird, toss it". Supermarkets throw out half their stock because it's damaged (but not contaminated), it expires (reasonable), or just doesn't look pretty (a total waste).
I wish we had "surplus" markets that took in reject food and sold it at a discount. Although it'd probably end up competing with the supermarket itself, people love cheap food.[/QUOTE]
That's what Aldi's and Big Lot's are for.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;44205164]I think you'll find the problem is more that we do not distribute or allocate resources we already have or produce very effectively to much of the world and that this is the problem - not the "overpopulation"/increased population compared to history itself.[/QUOTE]
First I ask you. How can we become more effective at distributing and producing food?
[QUOTE=Katla;44205247]First I ask you. How can we become more effective at distributing and producing food?[/QUOTE]
Improving the governing and legal systems of most countries, followed in turn by reforming and improving social welfare and streamlining markets and regulatory agencies while integrating national, regional, and local economies, followed by treaties to progressively diminish the militaries of the world and reducing the power of sovereign states in favour of economic and political unions.
Without dictators to use foreign aid to prop up their toppling regimes, with incentives for countries to send aid to where it is needed, with making it easier to get priced goods to where they are needed quickly and efficiently and having access to markets and areas to produce such goods, not to mention getting rid of the destabilzing effects of intra and inter state warfare, you would see a great deal of improvement.
[QUOTE=Katla;44205143]It does not matter if most countries don't have this problem. The problem is that we live on a planet that don't have unlimited resources. Should we cut down all the forests to get more land to grow on? should we fish until there is no more fish left?
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/n685x3C.jpg[/IMG]
Can this chart be compared to an economic bubble?[/QUOTE]
population projections:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TeWpYNV.jpg[/IMG]
the fact of the matter is the earth can support a lot more people if we actually plan things out better. there are vast amounts of untapped or wasted resources yet we still manage to sustain 7 billion people.
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most things i've seen said that earth can support 10 billion people, which is still shy of the maximum population predicted using current projections.
[URL]http://www.livescience.com/16493-people-planet-earth-support.html[/URL]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/vuhCmIp.jpg[/img]
GMOs are the only way the human race can survive.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44205362]Improving the governing and legal systems of most countries, followed in turn by reforming and improving social welfare and streamlining markets and regulatory agencies while integrating national, regional, and local economies, followed by treaties to progressively diminish the militaries of the world and reducing the power of sovereign states in favour of economic and political unions.[/QUOTE]
Indeed this would decrease the strain humanity put on our planet for some time. Only by dissolving national boundaries and by uniting can we start focusing on the real problems humanity is facing.
But we must ask ourselves. How come we are able to produce all this food that sustain the current population?
What is it that enables trucks, trains, ships and other means of transport to get everything that we need where it is needed? What is it makes irrigation possible? What are chemical fertilizers and pestecides made out of?
Energy aka oil. Do we have an unlimited amount of oil? What will happen when we start running out of this resource and how will it affect the global population?
basic irrigation is entirely feasible without oil. in fact, i can't even fathom what part of irrigation outside of heavy labour even needs it.
How about we stop breeding as much, let the civilization and technology in the food industry catch up a little before we eat it dry of resources and kill off people in mass droves due to starvation..
I mean, what do you do in Total War when your country is out of food and people are getting pissed? You build farms, oppress the people from breeding, and make some bread!
Wait, somehow that feels like what we're doing now....
Except, people are still breeding :v:
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;44192570]Am I honestly seeing an argentinian talk about other governments when your country is ran by retards that made your country's inflation reach sky-high numbers and your economy get closer and closer to a collapse? A century ago you guys were richer than most of Europe, and look where you are now.
I still have no idea why you guys aren't having mass protests by now[/QUOTE]
Hey, I was talking about the natural resources our land has, which is totally unrelated to what government we have. I doubt that because we vote socialists into power we will no longer have fertile lands. Do you think the same?
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[QUOTE]Am I honestly seeing an argentinian talk about other governments
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[QUOTE]A century ago you guys were richer than most of Europe, and look where you are now.
I still have no idea why you guys aren't having mass protests by now
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Oh, you have read the economist's note it seems. It doesn't matter if we were way more rich than Europe a century ago, because "[I][B]WE[/B][/I]" only involves the aristocrats we had. So when you say "you WERE", you're only mentioning the most upper higher class, which, yes, it did have way more money than other European high class guys. Not like the other 80% of the population which was either underpaid or totally struggling to get by and couldn't vote like it should. If you measure a country by stock and GDP....well, I recommend you not to do so.
We are not having mass protests because our government truly managed to turn solve the problems that surfaced in 2001 in less than 5 years. In the meanwhile, it has created other kind of problems which have started to surface in the last 2 or 3 years.
[QUOTE=Keys;44206254]How about we stop breeding as much, let the civilization and technology in the food industry catch up a little before we eat it dry of resources and kill off people in mass droves due to starvation..
I mean, what do you do in Total War when your country is out of food and people are getting pissed? You build farms, oppress the people from breeding, and make some bread!
Wait, somehow that feels like what we're doing now....
Except, people are still breeding :v:[/QUOTE]
Did you read any post in this thread at all?
*Keep the world population under 500 million
[QUOTE=Xombi;44206564]*Keep the world population under 500 million[/QUOTE]
Why?
[QUOTE=Xombi;44206564]*Keep the world population under 500 million[/QUOTE]
So how do you propose on getting rid of 6.7 billion people?
but gmo is satan [IMG]http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-911.gif[/IMG]
This is why we should be pushing for more companies and coops to get involved in GMO. We need groups that can offer some true competition to the current established leaders in GMO technology. Until we have people pushing back against the immoral implementation that is the standard, people are going to continue to want for food.
I am no expert, but the population [I]is[/I] increasing, and land [I]is[/I] limited. Genetically modified food sources, and artificially grown meat are two technologies that [I]must[/I] be explored, and implemented if we are going to end the hunger problem on this planet. If we allow the current leaders of GMO tech to be the future leaders of GMO tech I believe we are going to be in deep trouble.
It is my belief that Monsanto funds the anti-GMO campaigns secretly because it's the best way to keep competition out of the market. They are already a super-giant, they do not care if you don't buy cheez-its. We need to be supporting this technology and demanding that it be implemented in a moral, fair, and health conscious way. The next time you share an anti-GMO post on Facebook, or talk to people at a party about how it's evil, just remember that's exactly what Monsanto wants you to do, and you are ensuring that they will be the only force in the development of this technology for another day.
Fighting GMO because of how the current leaders choose to implement it is like fighting the advancement of computers because they are used in weapons systems.
we should allow starvation to trim the fat off the planet, death is the only way to cut down on over population and its more humane to let 'nature' pick out who survives and who doesn't. imo. Its gonna happen some day.
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