Bernie Sanders Trounces Hillary In First Super Tuesday Results!
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As much as I want Sanders to win solely because he isn't Hillary or Trump, I'm starting to think that we're all just completely fucked at this point.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49847180]In which Clinton will win.[/QUOTE]
idk, if it's between Clinton v Trump, trump has a real chance
Im only saying this because Trump or really any GOP candidate has a payload of damaging history that could tarnish her entire campagin, not just emails, just her general flip flopping
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49847211]idk, if it's between Clinton v Trump, trump has a real chance
Im only saying this because Trump or really any GOP candidate has a payload of damaging history that could tarnish her entire campagin, not just emails, just her general flip flopping[/QUOTE]
This has been said before, but if Sanders had gone on a stronger offensive, he could have ripped Hillary to shreds.
It's like rock, paper scissors:
Bernie > Trump
Clinton > Bernie
Trump > Clinton
[QUOTE=Killer900;49847152]I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion
For the record I think Hillary will probably win, but it's really not over until it's over.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how many fucking times I have to repost these
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49826764]The top 5 states with the most delegates to win are
1. California
2. New York
3. Texas
4. Florida
5. Pennsylvania
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016[/url]
Poll in California: [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ca/california_democratic_presidential_primary-5321.html]Clinton has the lead[/url]
Poll in New York: [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ny/new_york_democratic_presidential_primary-4221.html]Clinton has the lead[/url]
Poll in Texas: [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/tx/texas_democratic_presidential_primary-4158.html]Clinton has a lead[/url]
Poll in Florida: [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/fl/florida_democratic_presidential_primary-3556.html]Clinton has another lead[/url]
Poll in Pennsylvania: [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_presidential_primary-4249.html]Clinton has ANOTHER lead[/url]
So that's the top 5 states with the most delegates, arguable the only ones that really matter and Clinton has a substantial lead in the polls for each and every one of them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49829641]
These are the states holding primaries/caucuses for the Democratic Party: Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, and Colorado
Here are how things are polling so far in said states:
Alabama: [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/al/alabama_democratic_presidential_primary-5791.html]Clinton with a +28 point lead[/url]
Arkansas: [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ar/arkansas_democratic_presidential_primary-5233.html]Clinton with a +28.5 point lead[/url]
Georgia: [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ga/georgia_democratic_presidential_primary-5623.html]Clinton with a +36 point lead[/url]
Massachusetts: [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ma/massachusetts_democratic_presidential_primary-3891.html]Sanders with a mere +0.6 point lead, virtual tie[/url]
Minnesota: [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/mn/minnesota_democratic_presidential_caucus-3585.html]Clinton with a +26 point lead[/url]
Oklahoma: [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ok/oklahoma_democratic_presidential_primary-5739.html]Clinton with a +9 point lead[/url]
Tennessee: [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/tn/tennessee_democratic_presidential_primary-5768.html]Clinton with a +23 point lead[/url]
[B]Texas: [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/tx/texas_democratic_presidential_primary-4158.html]Clinton with a +26 point lead[/url][/B]
Vermont: [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/vt/vermont_democratic_presidential_primary-5796.html]Sanders with a +75 point lead (his home state)[/url]
Virginia: [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/va/virginia_democratic_presidential_primary-3922.html]Clinton with a +19.5 point lead[/url]
Colorado: [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/co/colorado_democratic_presidential_caucus-5229.html]Clinton with a +28 point lead[/url]
So Clinton wins by a significant percentage in each of these states with the exception of Massachusetts and Vermont. Not only that, but majority of these states, which definitely include the two Sanders is doing well in, are really insignificant to the whole delegate count. They don't add much to the convention as a whole - with the exception of Texas, which is why I bolded it. Texas is in the top 5 delegate count for the convention (#3 iirc), the others I've posted on another page here but Clinton is winning the polls there too. Texas, the big state that matters, will fall to Clinton as well as much, if not all, of the south states.
So I think it's pretty damn easy to call the election just prior to Super Tuesday. No, the polls don't represent 100% what the voting will actually be, but they're pretty damn close and Sanders supporters can keep harping about how "oh he wasn't suppose to win here or there" but it's still not fucking giving him the nomination.[/QUOTE]
im not a bernie guy but a loss for hillary is a win for democracy
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;49846625]Man, Bernie supporters really are desperate for good news, lmao.[/QUOTE]
wow people want to hear good news about the candidate they support
in other news the sky is blue
man if the emails weren't shady enough imagine how shady grabbing all those points was
absolutely disgusting, but i can't say i'm surprised
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49847222]I don't know how many fucking times I have to repost these[/QUOTE]So you're just throwing the towel in and calling the election already based on projections?
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49847232]wow people want to hear good news about the candidate they support
in other news the sky is blue[/QUOTE]Why he isn't banned for shitposting is beyond me, because that's obvious shitposting.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49847192]If we are being poll elitists then we might as well be consistent and say Sanders < Clinton < Trump[/QUOTE]
Clinton is leading the polls, with a confidence of 99%.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/qyhT4RQ.png[/IMG]
[URL]http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton[/URL]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/VYJHOdk.png[/IMG]
As I have said before, if Clinton loses the General Election I am demodding/perma'ing myself.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49847211]idk, if it's between Clinton v Trump, trump has a real chance
Im only saying this because Trump or really any GOP candidate has a payload of damaging history that could tarnish her entire campagin, not just emails, just her general flip flopping[/QUOTE]
Part of me wonders if that Hillary wins the democrat primary that she'll immediately be indicted, giving the republicans a free sweep.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49847244]Clinton is leading the polls, with a confidence of 99%.[/QUOTE]which she may or may not have deliberately altered behind the scenes
[QUOTE=Killer900;49847243]So you're just throwing the towel in and calling the election already based on projections?[/QUOTE]
These polls are and have been fairly accurate.
Bernie played a good game, but he will lose Super Tuesday, especially heavy-weight Texas, because Hillary has the majority of black voters (which are the majority of Dems in the South) voting for her.
Sure, you can keep saying Bernie is going to win everything and ignore the polls and the facts, but you'll just end up making yourself look like an ignorant fool.
[editline]1st March 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;49847257]which she may or may not have deliberately altered behind the scenes[/QUOTE]
Source?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49847261]Source?[/QUOTE]that was more of what i was thinking. not claiming it was true, my bad.
[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;49847266]that was more of what i was thinking. not claiming it was true, my bad.[/QUOTE]
Then don't make dumb remarks :v:
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49847261]These polls are and have been fairly accurate.
Bernie played a good game, but he will lose Super Tuesday, especially heavy-weight Texas, because Hillary has the majority of black voters (which are the majority of Dems in the South) voting for her.
[B]Sure, you can keep saying Bernie is going to win everything and ignore the polls and the facts[/B], but you'll just end up making yourself look like an ignorant fool.[/QUOTE]Lol never said that but ok
[QUOTE=Bathtub;49847226]im not a bernie guy but a loss for hillary is a win for democracy[/QUOTE]
I'd love to know your definition of democracy that says the candidate that gets the most votes should lose.
Supporting Bernie is fine and all but currently most Democrats support Clinton, there's nothing unfair about her winning the nomination.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49847244]
As I have said before, if Clinton loses the General Election I am demodding/perma'ing myself.[/QUOTE]
Jesus, it is looking like Clinton V. Trump then. Won't be able to vote in that then because I can not find who is even a better candidate out of the two.
[QUOTE=matt000024;49847204]That is debatable. A lot of Democrats, myself included, would likely be voting 3rd party in that scenario which could heavily change the outcome.[/QUOTE]
A lot? A few might be willing to throw your vote away for principle, but the only democrats who'd hand a win to Trump don't care about politics outside of memes. Goes for some on this forum with Trump as their second choice, because of "something vague benghazi sellout".
[QUOTE=Rocko's;49847321]Jesus, it is looking like Clinton V. Trump then. Won't be able to vote in that then because I can not find who is even a better candidate out of the two.[/QUOTE]
I can. I would much rather Clinton be president. It would be a case of mostly right policies, wrong reasons vs. wrong policies, wrong reasons.
That said, I probably won't give her my vote. If I could subtract one vote from Trump, I would.
[QUOTE=Reshy;49847247]Part of me wonders if that Hillary wins the democrat primary that she'll immediately be indicted, giving the republicans a free sweep.[/QUOTE]
Sanders could just run independent then, no vote to split then.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49847351]Sanders could just run independent then, no vote to split then.[/QUOTE]
That would split the vote between Clinton and Bernie, the Republican wins for sure
[QUOTE=da space core;49847367]That would split the vote between Clinton and Bernie, the Republican wins for sure[/QUOTE]
Presumably the Democratic party would denounce the candidate facing a serious criminal charge of which there is ample evidence of her guilt, no?
Note I was replying to the person saying they wondered if Clinton would be charged (over the email thing I presume) after the nominations, so as to give the GOP no competitor.
[QUOTE=CatFodder;49847313]I'd love to know your definition of democracy that says the candidate that gets the most votes should lose.
Supporting Bernie is fine and all but currently most Democrats support Clinton, there's nothing unfair about her winning the nomination.[/QUOTE]
That is true, but when your campaign is funded by such large companies, you need to ask yourselves for whose interest will she eventually work; the voters or the companies ? Anything that stands between a voter, his interest and actual vote, and his representative is undemocratic. Bernie is funded by the people, so he doesn't have to worry about repaying his "debts" to corporations, and can focus on the interest of his voters.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49847351]Sanders could just run independent then, no vote to split then.[/QUOTE]
Jeez people he's already said he wouldn't run independent because it would secure a a Republican victory. Don't get your hopes up.
Still voting for Bernie even if it's futile. If he loses it won't be because I didn't play my part.
That and my second vote would be Trump for my outright hatred of Clinton, but I honestly can't imagine voting for either without throwing my guts up.
I just have to ask...[i]FUCKING WHY?!?[/i] I can accept Bernie losing to an objectively better Candidate with better ideas and plans, but Trump and Clinton are FAR from this. Cruz and Rubio aren't even worth mentioning anymore.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49847162]I am toxxing my account on this. I think we all can recognize that Clinton will beat Sanders - whether we like Sanders or not.[/QUOTE]
who are you voting for in the secondaries?
if Hillary clinton wins its pretty much a choice between being fucked gently or rough (trump).
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;49847522]
That and my second vote would be Trump for my outright hatred of Clinton, but I honestly can't imagine voting for either without throwing my guts up.
.[/QUOTE]
Yep, vote for the polar opposite of your preferred candidate because your sore he lost.
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;49847334]A lot? A few might be willing to throw your vote away for principle, but the only democrats who'd hand a win to Trump don't care about politics outside of memes. Goes for some on this forum with Trump as their second choice, because of "something vague benghazi sellout".[/QUOTE]
Bernie or bust for me. If sanders isn't president then Clinton shouldn't be either, and I'll gladly hand the GOP the white house since the DNC already decided to by nominating an unelectable candidate
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