• The Democratic Party is nearing a complete end in the Southern US; only two Dems left in Congress fr
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[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;46663125]Purple?[/QUOTE] #FF00FF
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;46663077]Excuse you, but Democrats won both of the last two presidential elections on policies of health care reform, minimum wage, and improved civil rights for queer Americans. The Republicans have won two midterms promising repeal of the ACA, major tax cuts on businesses, and the preservation of "traditional families." Which side actually delivered?[/QUOTE] Don't you mean which side said "No, we won't do anything you want. If you don't give me exactly what I want, I'm going to just do it on my own and give a giant middle finger to the people of this country".
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46663180]Don't you mean which side said "No, we won't do anything you want. If you don't give me exactly what I want, I'm going to just do it on my own and give a giant middle finger to the people of this country".[/QUOTE] Yeah, congressional Republicans really are assholes, agreed, +1.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46663210]Yeah, congressional Republicans really are assholes, agreed, +1.[/QUOTE] Yeah, because congressional republicans really did a whole lot of things by executive order.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46663244]Yeah, because congressional republicans really did a whole lot of things by executive order.[/QUOTE] "Oh shit he's right, there is no Republican mandate, better derail the thread into bitching about Obummer"
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46663260]"Oh shit he's right, there is no Republican mandate, better derail the thread into bitching about Obummer"[/QUOTE] If you think the midterms weren't on some level a rejection of obama's policies, you're blind.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46662971]Maybe if you Americans would stop pulling a race card out of your ass every time any issue arises you could actually stop fixing issues instead of basically shooting yourself in the foot and blaming the gaping wound.[/QUOTE] or we could take a page out of your book and scapegoat Muslims!
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;46662386]Oh God, they've finally [B]gerrymandered[/B] them to extinction.[/QUOTE] fixed
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46663266]If you think the midterms weren't on some level a rejection of obama's policies, you're blind.[/QUOTE] Which policies?
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46663180]Don't you mean which side said "No, we won't do anything you want. If you don't give me exactly what I want, I'm going to just do it on my own and give a giant middle finger to the people of this country".[/QUOTE] Sure, that's been the Republican strategy for years. Back when they took the House in 2010, they campaigned on "jobs," but then declared that the top priority in office "is for President Obama to be a one-term president." They also caused two or three manufactured debt ceiling crises to try to ramrod their partisan budget through a Democratic-held Senate while refusing to meet with the President or the Democratic leaders of Congress, and once they even caused a government shutdown.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46663299]Which policies?[/QUOTE] You mean the ACA? How about his threats of unilateral moves on things like immigration if he didn't get his way? Yeah. There is no way anyone could not like how he does things. [QUOTE=Sega Saturn;46663331]Sure, that's been the Republican strategy for years. Back when they took the House in 2010, they campaigned on "jobs," but then declared that the top priority in office "is for President Obama to be a one-term president." They also caused two or three manufactured debt ceiling crises to try to ramrod their partisan budget through a Democratic-held Senate while refusing to meet with the President or the Democratic leaders of Congress, and once they even caused a government shutdown.[/QUOTE] You mean the debt ceiling crises where obama wouldn't budge one inch in compromise with a republican controlled house (who controls the purse)? Yeah, the republicans sure forced him not to compromise on ANYTHING.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46663439]You mean the ACA?[/QUOTE] All the Democrats who ran away from the ACA lost. The one Democrat that didn't won. How many times do I need to repeat this? There was no real immigration policies involved in the midterm elections. [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46663439]You mean the debt ceiling crises where obama wouldn't budge one inch in compromise with a republican controlled house (who controls the purse)? Yeah, the republicans sure forced him not to compromise on ANYTHING.[/QUOTE] Yo budgeting for the federal government is the concern of congress not the president. Do you even know how our system works?
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46663439]You mean the debt ceiling crises where obama wouldn't budge one inch in compromise with a republican controlled house (who controls the purse)? Yeah, the republicans sure forced him not to compromise on ANYTHING.[/QUOTE] "Obama wouldn't budge one inch" well that's a good thing since he has nothing to do with forming the federal budget.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46663515]The president still signs the budget into law... Or he can veto it..[/QUOTE] But it never got that far because congressional Republicans shut down our government.
You know what? They deserve it. The South lags behind the rest of the country in every single quality-of-life metric, yet they continue to vote out anybody that actually wants to solve any of their problems. I hope they enjoy sociopathic capitalists running every aspect of their society. The only reason I give the slightest shit what happens to the South is because [URL="http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_reckoning/2012/10/25/blue_state_red_face_guess_who_benefits_more_from_your_taxes.html"]the rest of us subsidize their tax cut-induced poverty[/URL]. They take services from their citizens to hand out tax cuts to the rich, and the federal government is forced to pick up the slack to keep their citizens from starving. Looking at you, Mississippi. Mitt Romney's 47 percent that leech off the system and don't pay taxes? THAT'S YOU! The people of the South let themselves get duped into voting against their own interests. They think they're sticking it to the man and teaching those snooty East Coast liberals a lesson for looking down on the guns and religion. But at the end of the day, all that 40 years of voting GOP has gotten the South is grinding poverty and failing social systems at the expense of the entire country. At least from a federal budget perspective, we would be better off if we could expel them from the union. The South used to be solid Democratic territory, because it was mostly poor and working-class people who disliked the capitalist robber barons of the Northeast and believed in government helping the poor...as long as they didn't have dark skin. But they let themselves get conned, and Republicans parlayed their racism and bigotry into voting against their own interests. Well, the chickens have come home to roost. You people live in the smelly butthole of this country, and have nobody to blame but yourselves. The last of the people that gave a shit about helping you are packing their bags. [IMG]http://www.rjlsoftware.com/software/entertainment/finger/icons/finger.gif[/IMG] Fuck you, American South. I sincerely wish we would have let you secede. Then you would only be an embarrassment to yourselves, instead of this whole country.
did the south run over your cat or something jesus fucking christ, dude look at the post you just shat out.
[QUOTE=snapshot32;46663633]did the south run over your cat or something jesus fucking christ, dude look at the post you just shat out.[/QUOTE] That may have gotten away from me a little.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46663439]You mean the debt ceiling crises where obama wouldn't budge one inch in compromise with a republican controlled house (who controls the purse)? Yeah, the republicans sure forced him not to compromise on ANYTHING.[/QUOTE] When the minority party is holding the economy and public hostage by threatening a budgetary default, the Democrats are under no obligation to compromise. I'm surprised that you would be naïve enough to support a political organization so zealously that you would defend practices which sabotage the democratic process. This is the reason our credit was downgraded.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46663685]Did you even look at your source? Look again, the majority of the funding is going to farm subsidies (which any agricultural state gets), and military spending. Seriously, are states supposed to just fund the military bases in them now? I bet they're supposed to fund veterans benefits too..[/QUOTE] They got a lot of military bases because, for most of the 20th century, they elected the same people over and over again, and those people accrued committee seniority and were able to disproportionately allocate military funding. Nowadays, the old seniority system has been essentially dismantled. It's actually sort of ironic, because the representatives that got the South most of their big military bases were DEMOCRATS. As for the ag subsidies, that's a whole freaking can of worms, red states clearly benefit disproportionately compared to the blue states where a good portion of that money comes from. When it comes to net dollars, they are the very moochers their representatives love to rail against.
I am all about compromise. I believe its a bad either to have either group at full or near full control. The problem is right now, the republicans in particular have extremely conservative ideas they want to pass (like closing the EPA, even more tax cuts to the rich, because that worked so well when Hoover was president, etc) and they threaten to shut down congress if they don't get their full way.
a lot of districts in the us are rigged so that republican reps can win they should send some un observers over
[QUOTE=da space core;46663751]I am all about compromise. I believe its a bad either to have either group at full or near full control. The problem is right now, the republicans in particular have extremely conservative ideas they want to pass (like closing the EPA, even more tax cuts to the rich, because that worked so well when Hoover was president, etc) and they threaten to shut down congress if they don't get their full way.[/QUOTE] The thing about a group having "full control" is that all groups shift to compensate. If we overwhelmingly had democrats in control, both political parties would shift to the left until people saw Republicans as an alternative and it becomes balanced again. The only thing that would keep that from happening is damage to the democratic process (such as one party passing laws preventing people in other parties from voting, gerrymandering, passing laws that make it easier for people of that party to dominate campaigns, etc). Right now both parties are gerrymandering it up, and the Republican party has gotten voter ID laws and Citizens United to poison the democratic process.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46663266]If you think the midterms weren't on some level a rejection of obama's policies, you're blind.[/QUOTE] Because the US is a single entity. Democrats lost in large part because they tried to appeal to people who don't like them and disregarded the people who usually vote for them. And those who do like the president, saw their democratic representation lashing out at him because it was fashionable. I believe that contributed to a lot of "whats the fucking point" when the people who you typically vote for aren't pushing for what you want, and the people who you don't want... are the same.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46663439]You mean the ACA? How about his threats of unilateral moves on things like immigration if he didn't get his way? Yeah. There is no way anyone could not like how he does things. You mean the debt ceiling crises where obama wouldn't budge one inch in compromise with a republican controlled house (who controls the purse)? Yeah, the republicans sure forced him not to compromise on ANYTHING.[/QUOTE] honestly his threats to unilaterally move on immigration reform wasn't because he didn't get his way, the republicans littearlly have had the finished bill, from all the committies filled with bipartisan compromomises, sitting on john beoner's desk since march of last year, they refuse to call a vote on it because they know it would pass [editline]7th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=hagbard;46663757]a lot of districts in the us are rigged so that republican reps can win they should send some un observers over[/QUOTE] the most un-gerrymandered state in the US is wyoming, with montana and idaho comming in close behind this is only because they only have 1 district, and idaho has an astounding 2, really in this age, i'm supprised there hasn't been a push to redistrict along randomly generated lines instead of the already computer gerrymandered lines that they use today
[QUOTE=Sableye;46664023]honestly his threats to unilaterally move on immigration reform wasn't because he didn't get his way, the republicans littearlly have had the finished bill, from all the committies filled with bipartisan compromomises, sitting on john beoner's desk since march of last year, they refuse to call a vote on it because they know it would pass [/QUOTE] I know this is a different discussion for a different thread, but IMO the public needs a serious reality check on what Obama actually did. He did not grant anyone amnesty or citizenship. Nobody gets to collect free cheese from the government. Literally all he did was delay deportations for people who meet a relatively specific set of criteria, and make it a little easier for them to get work permits. Immigration advocates were mad as hell when the announcement was made, because a LOT of people got left behind. It's party Obama's fault, because he talks this up into some big thing when it really doesn't change the status quo very much. The right tells people Obama is throwing open the gates and putting out the cattle call for a brown-skinned mustachioed hoard to swarm into the country. This executive order isn't a big deal, especially compared to some of the legislation that died in Congress.
Yes people are caring more about economic progress, infrastructure builds, and country growth than angsty tweens who identify as transsexual otherkin body positive retards. glad to see the republicans setting america back on track in the right direction
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46664346]Yes people are caring more about economic progress, infrastructure builds, and country growth than angsty tweens who identify as transsexual otherkin body positive retards. Grand do see the republicans setting america back on track[/QUOTE] Did you just claim Republicans support building infrastructure when their main thing is cutting spending?
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;46664360]Did you just claim Republicans support building infrastructure when their main thing is cutting spending?[/QUOTE] Economic growth of industry pushes the private sector vendors to build the infrastructure, creating more jobs and building the economy in the process. [editline]8th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;46663504]All the Democrats who ran away from the ACA lost. The one Democrat that didn't won. How many times do I need to repeat this? There was no real immigration policies involved in the midterm elections. Yo budgeting for the federal government is the concern of congress not the president. Do you even know how our system works?[/QUOTE] ACA sucks there is no opt out(except for paying heavy taxes) for people who just don't want health care.
yeah I love when the private sector makes everything better they've done a bang up job with the prison system [editline]8th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46664373]ACA sucks there is no opt out(except for paying heavy taxes) for people who just don't want health care.[/QUOTE] yeah because conservative policy made sure big pharma lobbyists can exercise their constitutional right to dictate law with their money-speech
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46664396]yeah I love when the private sector makes everything better they've done a bang up job with the prison system[/QUOTE] It's fine as is, besides you don't even live in america. Too bad they don't bring back hard labor. [editline]8th December 2014[/editline] [quote]yeah because conservative policy made sure big pharma lobbyists can exercise their constitutional right to dictate law with their money-speech[/QUOTE] ACA was passed under Obama whom lead a 2/3rds majority, conservatives had no chance.
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