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[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46664403]besides you don't even live in america. [/QUOTE] don't believe everything you read on the internet
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46664419]don't believe everything you read on the internet[/QUOTE] Oh wasn't aware you were proxying, what you avoiding a ban or something?
[QUOTE=Brt5470;46663989]Because the US is a single entity. Democrats lost in large part because they tried to appeal to people who don't like them and disregarded the people who usually vote for them. And those who do like the president, saw their democratic representation lashing out at him because it was fashionable. I believe that contributed to a lot of "whats the fucking point" when the people who you typically vote for aren't pushing for what you want, and the people who you don't want... are the same.[/QUOTE] The democrats lose for the same reason they always do: They have the evidence to back up virtually all of their claims and desired policy, but are utterly incompetent at campaigning. Not that I blame them. The people are fucking terrible at assessing the issues. That is why we are only supposed to vote for a single representative and not the president or senators. Because if you let people vote for more, then shit like the south happens where the entire region is run by the lowest common denominator.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46664373]Economic growth of industry pushes the private sector vendors to build the infrastructure, creating more jobs and building the economy in the process. [/QUOTE] Unless you're talking about specifically private infrastructure (fiber optic lines?), that's simply not accurate. Infrastructure spending is a matter of public policy, not private spending. Bridges, roads, water treatment, water pipe, dams, harbors, the power grid...private industry didn't decide to build any of that shit. Government did.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46664403]It's fine as is[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison%E2%80%93industrial_complex[/url] [QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46664403]ACA was passed under Obama whom lead a 2/3rds majority, conservatives had no chance.[/QUOTE] weird how it came out completely gutted and ineffectual then and you guys still find a way to complain about a bill that does fuck all anymore
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46664492]Unless you're talking about specifically private infrastructure (fiber optic lines?), that's simply not accurate. Infrastructure spending is a matter of public policy, not private spending. Bridges, roads, water treatment, water pipe, dams, harbors, the power grid...private industry didn't decide to build any of that shit. Government did.[/QUOTE] Didn't infrastructure take a major boom under both Bushes? Pretty sure republicans focus on building meaningful roads other than just shit that doesn't matter. The economy should drive the infrastructure not some stupid government mandate. [editline]8th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Venezuelan;46664498][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison%E2%80%93industrial_complex[/url] [/quote] I said it is fine as is, not what you think; IMO if they wanted to bring back hard labor for criminals I would vote for it. [quote]weird how it came out completely gutted and ineffectual then and you guys still find a way to complain about a bill that does fuck all anymore[/QUOTE] Republicans wanted a voucher system with an opt out, dems wanted some way to force everyone into health care even if they didn't want it.
[QUOTE=GunFox;46664487]The democrats lose for the same reason they always do: They have the evidence to back up virtually all of their claims and desired policy, but are utterly incompetent at campaigning. [/QUOTE] There's always more to it...but that's definitely a big part. Democrats have an economic message that should resonate with every American that has a net worth under a million dollars. But they have a terrible habit of running away from their own issues and trying to out-right the right wing. They approach tough elections by going "Look, look, I'm a conservative, too! I disagree with Obama!" The other biggest problem is that when Democrats are in the minority, some of them always turn coat and cave to the Republicans. And when they're in the majority...some of them always turn coat and sabotage the party. The recent Tea Party thing is a bit of an aberration, but generally speaking, Republicans beat Democrats all day long at party unity. It's nice that a few Democrats think they need to work with the other side, but they only get fucked for doing so. [editline]7th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46664502] Republicans wanted a voucher system with an opt out, dems wanted some way to force everyone into health care even if they didn't want it.[/QUOTE] Get cancer and see how angry you are about being "forced" to let the government help you pay for your health insurance...and that insurer being "forced" to accept you instead of telling you to get fucked.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46664517] Get cancer and see how angry you are about being "forced" to let the government help you pay for your health insurance...and that insurer being "forced" to accept you instead of telling you to get fucked.[/QUOTE] Then it is my fault for not accepting health care. If you aren't willing to accept that risk, don't turn down health care. Then again I am 24 and my health care before obamacare was 125/mo now because I make over 60k it is 200/mo. WHY THE FUCK DID IT GO UP? I thought this was suppose to be 'affordable'.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46664502]I said it is fine as is, not what you think; IMO if they wanted to bring back hard labor for criminals I would vote for it.[/QUOTE] 1. what does that have to do with the prison-industrial complex 2. if you think prisoners aren't still being treated like shit look up Joe Arpaio
If infrastructure took a major boom under both bushes, than it wouldnt be in the state it is today.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46664556]1. what does that have to do with the prison-industrial complex[/QUOTE] when hard labor is on the mind, you think twice about the crime [quote]2. if you think prisoners aren't still being treated like shit look up Joe Arpaio[/quote] Keep it to labor not psychological
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46664502]Republicans wanted a voucher system with an opt out, dems wanted some way to force everyone into health care even if they didn't want it.[/QUOTE] Maybe you just don't understand the math behind the mandate. A ton of previously uninsured people are being added to the system, and those people need to be paid for. Having the option to "opt out" because you're healthy means that only the people who need insurance are going to be paying for it. So what you get is the sick people (those who need insurance) paying for themselves. It's senseless to even have insurance at that point. Should I have an option to "opt out" of paying for public school systems since I don't have any use for them?
[QUOTE=Explosions;46664580]Maybe you just don't understand the math behind the mandate. A ton of previously uninsured people are being added to the system, and those people need to be paid for. Having the option to "opt out" because you're healthy means that only the people who need insurance are going to be paying for it. So what you get is the sick people (those who need insurance) paying for themselves. It's senseless to even have insurance at that point.[/QUOTE] My parents who are both diabetics are filing for bankruptcy because they only work part time jobs and get paid just a few dollars more a week than to be caught in the ACA. They have to ask for a .15-1.25/hr pay cut so they don't fault. Unless I donate a kidney to one of them they won't live except moving in with me. Yeah so I am against the ACA, it's a migration of the problem more than a fix. [quote]Should I have an option to "opt out" of paying for public school systems since I don't have any use for them?[/quote] I'd vote in support of this, I went to private school for 3/4ths of my school life
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46664600]I'd vote in support of this, I went to private school for 3/4ths of my school[/QUOTE] Lol I thought this was such an outrageous thing to ask that nobody would say "yes" but you proved me wrong. Well, if you're of such a mindset where you think you should be able to opt out of paying for public schooling, then there's no question that you'd also not want to pay for public healthcare. I didn't realize that we'd regressed to the 19th Century.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46664600] I went to private school for 3/4ths of my school life[/QUOTE] This explains so. fucking. much. "opt-out" healthcare is fucking stupid, the Democrats tried their fucking best to be both fair and forceful with actually improving your country through a vastly improved healthcare system. They had the bill gutted by the Republicans, but it still contained enough useful shit to get pushed through. You guys [B]need[/B] universal healthcare if you ever want to even attempt to fix your poverty issues. This bill could work well as a stepping stone, if people like yourself weren't so fucking stupid about the damn thing and thought about the future of the country and its population.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;46664624]This explains so. fucking. much. "opt-out" healthcare is fucking stupid, the Democrats tried their fucking best to be both fair and forceful with actually improving your country through a vastly improved healthcare system. They had the bill gutted by the Republicans, but it still contained enough useful shit to get pushed through. [/QUOTE] Not really democrats are only useful for social matters, republicans at least have the balls to push the economy forward and make progress. Honestly I would love to see the government go into a voucher system for schooling, where it is paid but you have to apply and earn your degree. It would at least make for more people focused on actual issues like, scientific research, economics, infrastructure, health, and governmental needs. The current system is shit.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46664600]My parents who are both diabetics are filing for bankruptcy because they only work part time jobs and get paid just a few dollars more a week than to be caught in the ACA. They have to ask for a .15-1.25/hr pay cut so they don't fault. Unless I donate a kidney to one of them they won't live except moving in with me. Yeah so I am against the ACA, it's a migration of the problem more than a fix.[/QUOTE] yeah well my brother is diabetic and thanks to ACA he can no longer be denied insurance because of his pre-existing condition, so
[QUOTE=Explosions;46664616]Lol I thought this was such an outrageous thing to ask that nobody would say "yes" but you proved me wrong. Well, if you're of such a mindset where you think you should be able to opt out of paying for public schooling, then there's no question that you'd also not want to pay for public healthcare. I didn't realize that we'd regressed to the 19th Century.[/QUOTE] Yeah, just what we needed, our healthcare system to go down the drain like our crappy public education system. Good job Democrats!
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46664637]Not really democrats are only useful for social matters, republicans at least have the balls to push the economy forward and make progress.[/QUOTE] (at the expense of a significant part of the populations welfare and infrastructure) social conservatism and economic policy are both pretty fucking balls. Spending cash to help equalise the population just enough to encourage spending from the population works. Hoarding cash and giving rich people more cash does very fucking little.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46664648]yeah well my brother is diabetic and thanks to ACA he can no longer be denied insurance because of his pre-existing condition, so[/QUOTE] Good then we both have logical reasons for voting on what we believe.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46664655]Good then we both have logical reasons for voting on what we believe.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and yours is literally "fuck you, got mine."
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46664637]Not really democrats are only useful for social matters, republicans at least have the balls to push the economy forward and make progress. Honestly I would love to see the government go into a voucher system for schooling, where it is paid but you have to apply and earn your degree. It would at least make for more people focused on actual issues like, scientific research, economics, infrastructure, health, and governmental needs. The current system is shit.[/QUOTE] Now you see, there was this one financial crisis caused by republican deregulation.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46664655]Good then we both have logical reasons for voting on what we believe.[/QUOTE] how the fuck were your parents managing without insurance before exactly? diabetes is expensive
[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;46664663]Now you see, there was this one financial crisis caused by republican deregulation.[/QUOTE] Clinton is also to blame. He's the one who cooperated with the Republican legislature to repeal Glass-Steagall which was probably the main culprit behind the recession.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46664666]how the fuck were your parents managing without insurance before exactly? diabetes is expensive[/QUOTE] They fell into small business categories of Blue cross blue shield. Now because one makes 'too much money" and the other does free lance they got dropped. Seriously paying more because you make over 60 grand fucking sucks, why should you be taxed more because you work harder? I mean shit I have to pay 200/mo and my HSA falls into a taxable category because I make over 50k, so I have to do bullshit appointments to spend that money I could use else where like IDK paying off my car?
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46664690]Seriously paying more because you make over 60 grand fucking sucks, why should you be taxed more because you work harder?[/QUOTE] It's like a parody. When are you going to say "bootstraps"?
[QUOTE=Explosions;46664699]It's like a parody. When are you going to say "bootstraps"?[/QUOTE] Not before you pick yourself up by them E: you walked into that one I couldn't resist
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46663244]Yeah, because congressional republicans really did a whole lot of things by executive order.[/QUOTE] [img]http://puu.sh/dlDIQ.png[/img]
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46664710]If we're using this as an excuse, then it should be JUST like the public education system. You're going to it by default and you can opt out if you want. Seriously, not only am I paying taxes, but I'm paying for healthcare. My taxes aren't covering my healthcare, that's a completely separate bill. So since you support the ACA, do you support the idea that schools should be "public" in that your tax money supports the system, but you still have to pay to enroll in the system?[/QUOTE] Well if that were the case, then your taxes would be lower because they wouldn't be taking money to fund the schools. It's the same with the ACA only the other way around: if it was a publicly funded system, then taxes would have to be higher to cover the difference. I know we've discussed this before in a different thread, but I don't really "support" Obamacare. I have always supported a single-payer system. What I'm trying to do is to dispel a lot of the bullshit myths and conservative propaganda surrounding Obamacare that tons of people seem to have bought into. It is absolutely flawed because it plays into the US healthcare system which is broken in other ways. But it's not bankrupting the nation and destroying people's lives and prosperity like the Koch Brothers would have you believe.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;46664731][img]http://puu.sh/dlDIQ.png[/img][/QUOTE] Do I REALLY have to explain for the 10,000th time that it's not the AMOUNT of executive orders but what's in them? I mean do people not pay attention on here at all???
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