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[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46664761]I mean seriously, it's completely fucking bullshit that I make exactly 1000 dollars a year over the maximum that could allow for subsidies. Now my insurance costs 300$ a month. So for making 1000$ a year more than the maximum, I pay 3600$ a year for healthcare, assuming no one in my family of 4 gets sick. Fucking great. On top of that i'm supporting everyone else with my taxes, [b]the same taxes that should supposedly help me cover this 300$ a month[/b]. Really nice, I totally enjoy paying into a system that i'll never get to use because my employer thought I was high when I asked for a paycut.[/QUOTE] It's not "the same taxes" though. That's what I don't think you understand. The money has to come from somewhere. If it was covered by your taxes, then the taxes would be higher.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46664788]And you know what, i'd be fine with my taxes covering healthcare, because then i'm not being charged twice for the same damn thing.[/QUOTE] You're not being charged twice for it now though. I don't get it.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46664753]Do I REALLY have to explain for the 10,000th time that it's not the AMOUNT of executive orders but what's in them? I mean do people not pay attention on here at all???[/QUOTE] Torture.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46664840]Torture.[/QUOTE] It's like trying to explain why you shouldn't ban gay marriage to a church. No matter how many times it's explained, it's just going to go in one ear and out the other....
still absolutely no plans on voting for either party im honestly fed up with both now
[QUOTE=Monkah;46664909]still absolutely no plans on voting for either party im honestly fed up with both now[/QUOTE] What has the Democratic Party done to upset you?
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46664753]Do I REALLY have to explain for the 10,000th time that it's not the AMOUNT of executive orders but what's in them? I mean do people not pay attention on here at all???[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;QldAcZBOQZ8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QldAcZBOQZ8[/video] Good job.
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;46665121][video=youtube;QldAcZBOQZ8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QldAcZBOQZ8[/video] Good job.[/QUOTE] Congratulations, a meme reply that makes no sense.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46665159]Congratulations, a meme reply that makes no sense.[/QUOTE] Informal logical fallacies are memes now? Huh, that's weird.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46665159]Congratulations, a meme reply that makes no sense.[/QUOTE] No it makes perfect sense just pay attention You make the statement that Obamas tactics of issuing executive orders is particularly terrible due to the volume, when it's pointed out presidents you support actually used them more you make the claim it's which orders where executed. What you ignore, which becomes the weak argument of "moving the goal posts" is that in either case you're literally just picking and choosing what you disagree with and agree with based only on party lines. It's weak argumention and fits clearly within goal post shifting.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46665185]No it makes perfect sense just pay attention You make the statement that Obamas tactics of issuing executive orders is particularly terrible due to the volume, when it's pointed out presidents you support actually used them more you make the claim it's which orders where executed. What you ignore, which becomes the weak argument of "moving the goal posts" is that in either case you're literally just picking and choosing what you disagree with and agree with based only on party lines. It's weak argumention and fits clearly within goal post shifting.[/QUOTE] Which part of this post: [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46663244]Yeah, because congressional republicans really did a whole lot of things by executive order.[/QUOTE] says ANYTHING about an AMOUNT of executive orders? This doesn't say anything about the amount of executive orders, only that he's done things by executive order, which people may not agree with. So tell me, how is that "moving the goalposts"?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46665185]No it makes perfect sense just pay attention You make the statement that Obamas tactics of issuing executive orders is particularly terrible due to the volume, when it's pointed out presidents you support actually used them more you make the claim it's which orders where executed. What you ignore, which becomes the weak argument of "moving the goal posts" is that in either case you're literally just picking and choosing what you disagree with and agree with based only on party lines. It's weak argumention and fits clearly within goal post shifting.[/QUOTE] Exactly. I'm mad about X! (Republicans do X more than Democrats.) No, stupid! I was talking about Y. (Republican Y is worse than Democrat Y.) No, stupid! I was talking about Z... [I]You all just don't get it.[/I]
Are you having this much trouble connecting the dots? You say "they don't do it this way" it turns out that you're objectively wrong and they do do it that way. You then say "well they don't do it that way over important things". Yeah, you moved the goal posts in the argument so that even when factually wrong you still feel right. It's a weak argument.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46665159]Congratulations, a meme reply that makes no sense.[/QUOTE] It makes as much sense as dumbocan'ts in their goals.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46665235]It makes as much sense as dumbocan'ts in their goals.[/QUOTE] Do you actually have anything to say or do you just like flaming people baselessly?
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46665235]It makes as much sense as dumbocan'ts in their goals.[/QUOTE] it says a lot about your ability to engage in debate if you don't understand what "moving the goalposts" means [editline]oh wait[/editline] and take the opportunity to start mudflinging instead
[QUOTE=PeejsterM;46665250]it says a lot about your ability to engage in debate if you don't understand what "moving the goalposts" means[/QUOTE] Moving the goalposts would be an argument if my goalposts had moved, instead of people putting words in my mouth and then saying that my goalposts moved.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46665235]dumbocan'ts[/QUOTE] Did you just This is on the same level as calling someone a wiener
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46664637]Not really democrats are only useful for social matters, republicans at least have the balls to push the economy forward and make progress. Honestly I would love to see the government go into a voucher system for schooling, where it is paid but you have to apply and earn your degree. It would at least make for more people focused on actual issues like, scientific research, economics, infrastructure, health, and governmental needs. The current system is shit.[/QUOTE] lol you know the voucher system both hurts school funding, increases taxes (to compensate for lost funding) there by hurting the economy, AND decreases science education since most (statistic wise, not the rule) private for-profit schools are worse than their public counterparts voucher system is litterally worse than public schools in most situations, you can't choose where your tax money goes to, if you want to send your kid to a private school you still have to pay for the public schools, just like you still have to pay for medicare and social security thats how social programs work and as you can see from the current massive recovery, just because wallstreet is better, doesn't mean people aren't screwed, the republicans don't give a damn about falling wages and rising inequality, they've done nothing in the last 4 years to help ease that, and even though the myopia of the recession may let up and allow for more discussion about these issues, i don't doubt for a minute that the republicans will table any attempts to raise minimum wage, ease the falling wages across the country, or any new worker's rights regulations
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46665203]Which part of this post: says ANYTHING about an [b]AMOUNT[/b] of executive orders? This doesn't say anything about the amount of executive orders, only that he's done things by executive order, which people may not agree with. So tell me, how is that "moving the goalposts"?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46663244]Yeah, because congressional republicans really did a [B]whole lot of things[/B] by executive order.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;46664563]If infrastructure took a major boom under both bushes, than it wouldnt be in the state it is today.[/QUOTE] honestly the problem with infastructure spending, social security costs, and medicare costs is that for the longest time congress was allowed to tap into these funds for "emergencies" which constituted as much as putting emergency somewhere on the authorization bill, social security nearly became insolvant because congress kept putting IOU's in the bank account, and they kept taking cash out of the infastructure fund too there is always the problem with infastructure too in that engineers in the 60s 70s and 80s didn't really intend for their bridges to survive so long or for the traffic on their roads to be so great, or for that matter, having overloaded gigantic 18 wheeler semi's going over it for hours on end. we basically wrote most of the textbook on building large highway systems (germany wrote a few chapters), and we're also writing the book on how to maintain a large highway system, very soon (given the massive corrosive effects of smog and monsoons), china's glorious people's infastructure is going to look exactly like ours and they'll have the same problem we have, its not that we're lagging behind, its that we started the trend, and we have to deal with the problems, just like european cities have to contend with their historically small and windey streets in the automobile age
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;46665320][/QUOTE] So, riddle me this, how many other presidents delayed implementation of a law via executive order rather than by congress???
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46665339]So, riddle me this, how many other presidents delayed implementation of a law via executive order rather than by congress???[/QUOTE] Why don't you do your own research then show us what you found? Or are you too lazy?
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46664649]Yeah, just what we needed, our healthcare system to go down the drain like our crappy public education system. Good job Democrats![/QUOTE] Our public education sucks because of the repercussions of the No Child Left Behind Act. [URL="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act.jpg"]Need I remind you which president signed that into law[/URL]?
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46665339]So, riddle me this, how many other presidents delayed implementation of a law via executive order rather than by congress???[/QUOTE] pretty much all of them, just skimming bush delayed medicare part D, regan delayed some stuff on labor bills, its all in this nice government table here [url]http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46665339]So, riddle me this, how many other presidents delayed implementation of a law via executive order rather than by congress???[/QUOTE] This is incredible. "Please find information for me so I can feed my irrational hatred for Obama"
[QUOTE=N0 WAR;46665347]Why don't you do your own research then show us what you found? Or are you too lazy?[/QUOTE] It was supposed to be a reply to 1STrandomman, but apparently the reply didn't put a quote in there. Whatever, I'm done. I'm not going to try and ruin the echo-chamber that you guys are trying to accomplish. I'm just going to keep my views to myself and vote how I've been voting.
[QUOTE=N0 WAR;46665347]Why don't you do your own research then show us what you found? Or are you too lazy?[/QUOTE] His thread argument tactic insists of demanding evidence behind the other side's claims, and when they give it to him, denying that that was the evidence he wanted and instead wants to see something else. It's just burden of proof bullshit, he keeps asking for evidence against claims that he has no evidence for.
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;46665351]Our public education sucks because of the repercussions of the No Child Left Behind Act. [URL="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act.jpg"]Need I remind you which president signed that into law[/URL]?[/QUOTE] don't get me wrong, but common core is probably worse than anything bush signed into office, the same problem arrises though, republicans want to penalise teachers, democrats want to encourage teachers, nobody stops for a second to ask "why are politicians deciding how teachers should...um teach" in the first place
[QUOTE=Sableye;46665358]pretty much all of them bush delayed medicare part D, regan delayed some stuff on labor bills, its all in this nice government table here [url]http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html[/url][/QUOTE] I accept this then. I was mistaken. My bad.
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