Appeals court: California's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriages is unconstitutional
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[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;34591000]And you've met a majority of Americans to form this observations, yes?[/QUOTE]
A person is smart, people are stupid.
[QUOTE=JamesRaynor;34591448]A person is smart, people are stupid.[/QUOTE]
"People" is nothing more than a collection of "persons".
Thank god. Prop 8 was that day when everyone in California left their brain on the kitchen table.
[QUOTE=Bones85;34590433]The US isn't a democracy.[/QUOTE]
The way state elections and referendums work is democratic. States are closer to democracies and the federal government is a republic.
[QUOTE=Bones85;34590433]The US isn't a democracy.[/QUOTE]
The US is a representative democracy. Prop 8 was voted on by a majority democracy. It was a democracy. You obviously don't know what you're talking about and are just saying shit to instigate retarded arguments.
[QUOTE=Bones85;34590489]Then why'd you even mention it? It doesn't apply in the US since it's not a democracy.[/QUOTE]
Do you even know what a referendum is? It's direct democracy in it's truest form
[QUOTE=Kendra;34590830]I probably did, yes.
But still, it's not as much a "representative democracy" as it is just "near-authoritarism shadowed with deceit"[/QUOTE]
No you still don't get it.
It was all up to the people who gets into the different government positions and they get some blame if it turns out that the people they elected are idiots.
Everything America has been doing to their citizens these past 20 years has been unconstitutional. Logic dictates: not likely to change.
No joke, I did a dance when I read the title.
This is an amazing step forward (severely disappointing that it took this long, but regardless).
Guys, guys...
U.S. is a republic.
The Supreme Court taking this issue on would be amazing.
Culture boiling point approaching.
Hopefully the Supreme Court strikes down this Prop 8, it was a terrible referendum to have in the first place.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34594217]Hopefully the Supreme Court strikes down this Prop 8, it was a terrible referendum to have in the first place.[/QUOTE]
If the US Supreme Court ruled that gay marriage bans are unconstitutional would that essentially mean that anyone in a state where it's illegal could take their state's ban to court and have precedent to overturn it?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34594367]If the US Supreme Court ruled that gay marriage bans are unconstitutional would that essentially mean that anyone in a state where it's illegal could take their state's ban to court and have precedent to overturn it?[/QUOTE]
Blame my lack of knowledge about the USA judicial system if you will (or any judicial system for that matter) but I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't be able to.
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shut the fuck up
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34594367]If the US Supreme Court ruled that gay marriage bans are unconstitutional would that essentially mean that anyone in a state where it's illegal could take their state's ban to court and have precedent to overturn it?[/QUOTE]
Basically, it would mean that it would be legal to be gay and married anywhere in the nation, and all states that currently ban it on the basis of sexual orientation would be overturned
In otherwords, something like that is very very unlikely to happen in the current social climate. People need to realize that this was a case of the state courts overturning the proposition, not the national courts. While this sets a very STRONG set of "evidence" for other gay couples/advocacy groups to do court cases in their own states should they want to legalize gay marriage, it doesn't mean the state judges would rule in favor of the same-sex marriages. Especially since the reason why this case even exists is because it was a direct reaction to an active ban on same-sex marriage (that wasn't there before), while other states that don't allow it, "only do it" because there's nothing in the clauses that determines a marriage can exist beyond a man+woman relationship.
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shut the fuck up[/QUOTE]
The man is an adult-sized baby for god's sake.
[QUOTE=J!NX;34590651]Charlie Chaplin final speech in The Great Dictator
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcvjoWOwnn4[/media]
a world I want to live in is a world in Charlie Chaplin's vision.
I find it funny that even in todays world we have such high amounts of bigotry and hatred. Good to see things turning around finally.[/QUOTE]
Lame nazi knock-off?
Can we end Newt Gingrich? I mean his campaign, of course.
[editline]7th February 2012[/editline]
Also, I hope that this does go to the Supreme Court. If it gets shot down there (and it should), it establishes a nationwide precedent that basically says "These people have a right to marriage equality just the same as anyone else."
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If Republicans don't like the court system, why do they love their decisions to brand corporations as people?
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;34594869]Lame nazi knock-off?[/QUOTE]
dumbest thing I've read all year
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;34594981]dumbest thing I've read all year[/QUOTE]
I see X
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;34594869]Lame nazi knock-off?[/QUOTE]
this is just an unbelievable post
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34591028]It's also worth noting that democracies are shit[/QUOTE]
They're shit because we force them to be shit.
People are malleable. If you take a child and say "you will never get to do anything with this particular fragile toy", then give it the toy once just to watch it break it and then say "see I told you he shouldn't be allowed to play with fragile things", you haven't proven that the child will forever be incapable of playing with the toy without breaking it, just that you're a fucking nimrod.
Remember [URL="http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/01/04/0956797611421206.full"]that stupid study everyone's been misreporting[/URL] on about right-wing ideologies as a mediator for prejudice? The one with the nifty picture:
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Now let's think about this a bit. The type of people jumping on the hate wagon are "less trusting of other people, less sensitive to interpersonal cues, and less accurate in deciphering other people’s behaviors and intentions", and the groups they hop into are "characterized by resistance to change and the promotion of intergroup inequalities". If the solution to their bigotry is superseding them on another level, what you've done is fuel another irrational belief in intergroup inequality.
See, look, here it is:
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It's fucking textbook. "Hey righties, you thought your opinion mattered? It fucking doesn't, these assholes can to one-up you. We should bring them down a notch." What this does is encourage more distrust, more insensitivity, more belief that they're being oppressed by someone else rather than the other way around.
But, I mean, fuck thinking in an age of free information they'd logically see the consequences of their actions due to the increased outgroup contact homosexual activism would bring, and without anything to perceive as an inequality to them, they'd improve as science would suggest- let's just pretend social psychology is voodoo and then wonder why the public sucks as hard as it does.
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