Seattle lawmakers vote to change name of Columbus Day holiday
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[QUOTE=axelord157;46169951]He's not well versed in African history, too: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire[/url]
I'm waiting for the part where he starts the "I'm a race-realist" bit in the next installment of MillySoose and the the white man's burden.[/QUOTE]
Better shut up.
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[QUOTE=MillySoose;46169921][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andaman_Islands[/url] is a good example. These people had no contact with westerners, but never created any real civilization beyond tribes.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontacted_peoples[/url][/QUOTE]
so white people are better because we just happened to do something in a given time frame?
You do realize you're being a massive racist, right?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46169962]so white people are better because we just happened to do something in a given time frame?
You do realize you're being a massive racist, right?[/QUOTE]
Nowhere did I imply that white people are better than anyone else. That's reverse racism. In fact I've made no comparison between race and the development of civilization.
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46169961]Better shut up.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/IphunJ0.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Yeah, you do realize that your sentence continues onwards, and drifts into casual racism stating that only european colonies even COULD do such a thing.
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[QUOTE=MillySoose;46169965]Nowhere did I imply that white people are better.[/QUOTE]
yeah you did when you said only white people in that time frame even could have societies that advanced.
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46169965]Nowhere did I imply that white people are better than anyone else. That's reverse racism. In fact I've made no comparison between race and the development of civilization.[/QUOTE]
hi
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46169856]Africans were sitting on their country for 4000 years and never established advanced civilization. North Africa does not count for historical and geographic reasons, and may as well be considered part of the middle-east
[B]To think that these people would have developed modern civilization in time is ludicrous. [/B]Look at the few people's who were never touched by Europeans. They are no more advanced now than they were thousands of years ago.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46169968]Yeah, you do realize that your sentence continues onwards, and drifts into casual racism stating that only european colonies even COULD do such a thing.
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yeah you did when you said only white people in that time frame even could have societies that advanced.[/QUOTE]
No I didn't say that. I said they couldn't have done it in the same amount of time.
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46169981]No I didn't say that. I said they couldn't have done it in the same amount of time.[/QUOTE]
so you're still saying europeans are better because they did it faster?
give me a reason why it would have developed slower other than "black people"
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;46169978]hi[/QUOTE]
How does that imply that I think white people are better? They just had an advantage.
If person A starts 500 meters into the race he's probably going to finish first.
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[QUOTE=LordCrypto;46169988]so you're still saying europeans are better because they did it faster?
give me a reason why it would have developed slower other than "black people"[/QUOTE]
For fucks sake, it's not about race. You're making it about race. What matters is it did develop slower.
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46169856]
European slavery was only worse within gold/silver mines in the Americas. The Africans had been enslaving other Africans to do basically the same work, but in worse climates and for thousands of years. The empires in the middle east not only enslaved millions of women to work as sex slaves, but also slavs from the black sea area.
Africans were sitting on their country for 4000 years and never established advanced civilization. North Africa does not count for historical and geographic reasons, and may as well be considered part of the middle-east
To think that these people would have developed modern civilization in time is ludicrous. Look at the few people's who were never touched by Europeans. They are no more advanced now than they were thousands of years ago.
Also imagine an Africa without cars or railroads. Without any European intervention. In fact imagine the entire world like that. .
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What the fuck am I reading
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;46169687]Every positive thing that you mentioned would have already happened with globalization and trade. And the reason parts of Africa are such a clusterfuck right now is BECAUSE of European imperialism.[/QUOTE]
i think you're forgetting that there would be no globalised trade without european imperialism, plus africa today is mainly because europe gave up on africa and let dictatorships rule the land, i'm not playing down the ethnic clashes they incited with colonialism, but most of africa's corruption, poor growth, and overall poverty is because of their own governments from the 50s onwards
The Chinese had gunpowder when Europeans were still poking each other with metal sticks and inbreeding.
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46169981]No I didn't say that. I said they couldn't have done it in the same amount of time.[/QUOTE]
so they are lesser people then is what you're saying? "They couldn't accomplish given task in the given time frame. these people did. Therefore these people are better" is the extent of your logic here. It ignores any change, chance, or risk that happened in that time period that allowed white people the luck to be the leading technologically advanced group(Even though China invented a great deal of well, everything)
it's hard to see you as anything but a racist.
should be renamed leif ericson or explorer day or something good, its not about native americans its about exploration
[QUOTE=Sableye;46170017]i think you're forgetting that there would be no globalised trade without european imperialism, plus africa today is mainly because europe gave up on africa and let dictatorships rule the land, i'm not playing down the ethnic clashes they incited with colonialism, but most of africa's corruption, poor growth, and overall poverty is because of their own governments from the 50s onwards[/QUOTE]
No... The stuff that happened in Africa is due to European drawn borders which fucked everything up.
[QUOTE=Sableye;46170017]i think you're forgetting that there would be no globalised trade without european imperialism, plus africa today is mainly because europe gave up on africa and let dictatorships rule the land, i'm not playing down the ethnic clashes they incited with colonialism, but most of africa's corruption, poor growth, and overall poverty is because of their own governments from the 50s onwards[/QUOTE]
"Their own governments" which functioned highly autnonomsly right?
No, they had, and have, way more influence from foreign nations and foreign history than you may realize.
[QUOTE=EmperorKabuto;46170020]The Chinese had gunpowder when Europeans were still poking each other with metal sticks and inbreeding.[/QUOTE]
ya but the chinese stopped developing while the europeans learned how to make boomsticks to compliment their metal sticks
[QUOTE=joshuadim;46170016]What the fuck am I reading[/QUOTE]
What do you need clarification on?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46170030]"Their own governments" which functioned highly autnonomsly right?
No, they had, and have, way more influence from foreign nations and foreign history than you may realize.[/QUOTE]
Explain Liberia. Absolutely no European colonization and yet they are the worst country in Africa.
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46170033]What do you need clarification on?[/QUOTE]
how you're "Not a racist" when you hold clearly racial views?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46170037]how you're "Not a racist" when you hold clearly racial views?[/QUOTE]
You're racist for bringing race into this. My points do not have to do with race.
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In reply to Winner :
I said this because it shows that the definition of marriage has been completely eroding, not because I supported how it previously had been, but because I feared where it was going. I have absolutely no problem with interracial marriage.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46170030]"Their own governments" which functioned highly autnonomsly right?
No, they had, and have, way more influence from foreign nations and foreign history than you may realize.[/QUOTE]
they've also had 70+ years of autonomy, europe let africa go off and do whatever it wanted after ww2, the results were all africa's peoples problems
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46170045]You're racist for bringing race into this. My points do not have to do with race.[/QUOTE]
I feel like you HAVE to be trolling when you know, you brought up race a lot in your other posts, as quoted by other people
i mean you can't even be serious that you can't remember posting things like "White people did it in a time frame that black people didn't, therefore white people are better"
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46170045]You're racist for bringing race into this. My points do not have to do with race.[/QUOTE]
you're the one that also implied that marriage was only sacred when it was between the same race
your argument is built upon a nice pile of uselessness
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46170033]What do you need clarification on?[/QUOTE]
Ok let's start with your first statement in my quote.
[QUOTE] European slavery was only worse within gold/silver mines in the Americas[/QUOTE]
You basically imply that there are different levels of horribleness in slavery. You''re just flat out wrong there. Take a look at the sugar plantations in the Carribean or the Congo colony of Belgium. Slaves there were put in MISERABLE conditions and had body parts cut off for not working hard enough. It wasn't just bad in silver mines, it was bad everywhere.
[QUOTE=Sableye;46170032]ya but the chinese stopped developing while the europeans learned how to make boomsticks to compliment their metal sticks[/QUOTE]
Actually it was the Chinese that invented firearms. And it was literally a boomstick. China back in the days pioneered in a bunch of stuff.
[QUOTE=Sableye;46170050]they've also had 70+ years of autonomy[/QUOTE]
Not really. They're their own governments, but they have no serious economy to derive serious power with and therefore have not been able to fight off foreign influences that change how their countries are run.
I mean think about this for ONE fucking second. Uganda established anti homosexuality laws, ONLY AFTER an american group lobbied for them and gained public support. This is not a fringe case of how africa has worked.
how the hell did i get off topic onto africa,
i don't think columbus day should be renamed to native american day, its not in the actual spirit of the holiday which is really celebrating european exploration not european exploitation
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;46170069]you're the one that also implied that marriage was only sacred when it was between the same race
your argument is built upon a nice pile of uselessness[/QUOTE]
First of all that has nothing to do with this. That's literally from another thread. Second of all, you misunderstand my intentions by saying that marriage was sacred. The point was not that marriage was better because it was sacred. The point was that the definiton of marriage was completely erroding. I even clarified this.
[QUOTE=Sableye;46170089]how the hell did i get off topic onto africa,
i don't think columbus day should be renamed to native american day, its not in the actual spirit of the holiday which is really celebrating european exploration not european exploitation[/QUOTE]
yeah but columbus was an exploitative bastard.
Remembering that is, you know, important.
[QUOTE=Winner;46170088]"he who smelt it, dealt it" doesn't apply here buddy[/QUOTE]
Yes it does. What he did is called reverse racism.
This thread has turned into an unintentional MillySoose comedy night
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