• Seattle lawmakers vote to change name of Columbus Day holiday
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46170080]Not really. They're their own governments, but they have no serious economy to derive serious power with and therefore have not been able to fight off foreign influences that change how their countries are run. I mean think about this for ONE fucking second. Uganda established anti homosexuality laws, ONLY AFTER an american group lobbied for them and gained public support. This is not a fringe case of how africa has worked.[/QUOTE] one example of american lobbiests going to influence africa =/= the dozens of dictatorships that popped up after ww2.... now stop shitposting about everything other than the damn article
Next, you say this. [QUOTE] Africans were sitting on their country for 4000 years and never established advanced civilization.[/QUOTE] Wrong. Egyptians , Mali, Zulu and Songhay empires prove your point false. Africans aren't as inept as you believe them to be.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;46170076]Ok let's start with your first statement in my quote. You basically imply that there are different levels of horribleness in slavery. You''re just flat out wrong there. Take a look at the sugar plantations in the Carribean or the Congo colony of Belgium. Slaves there were put in MISERABLE conditions and had body parts cut off for not working hard enough. It wasn't just bad in silver mines, it was bad everywhere.[/QUOTE] This is simply not true. Slavery existed in different forms and was far worse under the Portugese and Spanish where slaves died within 9 months. English slaves often lived fully lives and had children.
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46170091]First of all that has nothing to do with this. That's literally from another thread. Second of all, you misunderstand my intentions by saying that marriage was sacred. The point was not that marriage was better because it was sacred. The point was that the definiton of marriage was completely erroding. I even clarified this.[/QUOTE] yeah you're sounding MORE racist when you say that "marraige is eroding" when mixed race couples can get married, not LESS racist. Can you tell me why mixed races shouldn't be a thing?(Even though, regardless of your feelings about it, your history and your genealogy, you're a "Victim" of race mixing at some point in your history).
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46170095]yeah but columbus was an exploitative bastard. Remembering that is, you know, important.[/QUOTE] for fuck's sake columbus only visited america like 4 times 4 TIMES, not like the conquistadors that arrived after him in the 1500's and started taking over
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46170110]This is simply not true. Slavery existed in different forms and was far worse under the Portugese and Spanish where slaves died within 9 months. English slaves often lived fully lives and had children.[/QUOTE] Those are still european cultures. Or are they not "White" enough for you to consider them? [editline]6th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Sableye;46170115]for fuck's sake columbus only visited america like 4 times 4 TIMES, not like the conquistadors that arrived after him in the 1500's and started taking over[/QUOTE] so he's not guilty of ANY exploitation in his time frame of being there four times...?
[QUOTE=joshuadim;46170108]Next, you say this. Wrong. Egyptians , Mali, Zulu and Songhay empires prove your point false. Africans aren't as inept as you believe them to be.[/QUOTE] Egyptians aren't Africans. Mali and Songhay both collapsed and everything became just as bad as it had been. The Zulu was literally a nation of war that used European guns and benefits.
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46170096]Yes it does. What he did is called reverse racism.[/QUOTE] Reverse racism is actually just racism practiced against the majority group.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46170062]I feel like you HAVE to be trolling when you know, you brought up race a lot in your other posts, as quoted by other people i mean you can't even be serious that you can't remember posting things like "White people did it in a time frame that black people didn't, therefore white people are better"[/QUOTE] From what I have seen of him in the past few days, he is basically just a troll that you should just ignore. And for the record, the only real reason that African nations have been slow to develop is because of hinderances resulting lack of resources as well as geography. It's sad to see any group of people get fucked over due to living on a particularly shitty area in terms of resource distribution and geographic layout in relation to other areas on the same planet that we all share.
[QUOTE=Sableye;46170103]one example of american lobbiests going to influence africa =/= the dozens of dictatorships that popped up after ww2.... now stop shitposting about everything other than the damn article[/QUOTE] are you arguing against or for their autonomy? First you said they had it and now you say they don't. WW2 is before the 50's, and the impact of those dictatorships lasted a fuck load longer than the 50's. right, it's shitposting if i do it but you're fine to go off topic. lol.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46170113]yeah you're sounding MORE racist when you say that "marraige is eroding" when mixed race couples can get married, not LESS racist. Can you tell me why mixed races shouldn't be a thing?(Even though, regardless of your feelings about it, your history and your genealogy, you're a "Victim" of race mixing at some point in your history).[/QUOTE] What? Mixed races should be a thing. You don't understand what I was saying there.
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46170110]This is simply not true. Slavery existed in different forms and was far worse under the Portugese and Spanish where slaves died within 9 months. English slaves often lived fully lives and had children.[/QUOTE] Those are still European cultures. Lmao
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46170045]You're racist for bringing race into this. My points do not have to do with race. In reply to Winner : I said this because it shows that the definition of marriage has been completely eroding, not because I supported how it previously had been, but because I feared where it was going. I have absolutely no problem with interracial marriage.[/QUOTE] So you're not just a racist but a homophobe is what you're saying.
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46170096]Yes it does. What he did is called reverse racism.[/QUOTE] "Reverse racism" Please don't say those words. Racism is racism no matter what political spectrum you come from.
[QUOTE=Pokeman493;46170129]From what I have seen of him in the past few days, he is basically just a troll that you should just ignore. And for the record, the only real reason that African nations have been slow to develop is because of hinderances resulting lack of resources as well as geography. It's sad to see any group of people get fucked over due to living on a particularly shitty area in terms of resource distribution and geographic layout in relation to other areas on the same planet that we all share.[/QUOTE] Africa is so resource-rich it's not even funny. Geography wise it's not a problem if you don't count the Sahara desert.
i think its shameful to look back on a very important point in european history with disgust, the spanish and portugese explorers did exploit native populus, i'm not defending the conquistadors, but just because it happened doesn't mean the entire act of exploring the new world is somehow wrong and shameful because they made use of the local people while doing it. you would argue that spain should have just stayed the fuck in spain and columbus should go down as equal to jefferson davis for causing so much hardship, but he did push forth and find the new world regardless
[QUOTE=Kyle902;46170138]So you're not just a racist but a homophobe is what you're saying.[/QUOTE] Groundless accusations. I have gay friends and relative and you're just throwing labels at me. For the fourth time that post demonstrates nothing about what I believed in race.
[QUOTE=Sableye;46170149]i think its shameful to look back on a very important point in european history with disgust, the spanish and portugese explorers did exploit native populus, i'm not defending the conquistadors, but just because it happened doesn't mean the entire act of exploring the new world is somehow wrong and shameful because they made use of the local people while doing it. you would argue that spain should have just stayed the fuck in spain and columbus should go down as equal to jefferson davis for causing so much hardship, but he did push forth and find the new world regardless[/QUOTE] things were done in that time period that we're fucked up. Columbus didn't do a great service to the world intentionally. There is no point to a holiday about him. Remembering that many horrible things happened in the past relating to the founding of the US is not a bad thing. It's bad that you don't want to have people remember that.
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46169712]Probably not and not in anytime soon. For example, China is just getting things like the internet. Imagine if they didn't have all the prior advancements brought to them by Europeans. Europeans gave the world a crash course in civilization and I love it. Also Africa has always been a shithole. The only good parts are those that had a strong European/Mediterranean presence (north africa, south africa and madagascar) And I want you to explain the following : Liberia/Ethiopia. Never colonized yet they are just as bad as the rest of Africa. And African slavery existed before far before Euroepans. In fact it was invented by Africans. The standard of life has gotten better because of Europeans. Globalization would not have happened as quickly without Europeans setting up colonies.[/QUOTE] Africa was fine before we white people fucked things up they didn't have to worry about anything and didn't fight and then we came along and ruined EVERYTHING
[QUOTE=joshuadim;46170137]Those are still European cultures. Lmao[/QUOTE] You said that there were no levels of slavery. Then I proved you wrong. Now it has to be European Slavery because you can't accept that you're wrong. Do you want me to tell you all about the sex slavery practiced in the Ottoman Empire?
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46169586]Am I the only one grateful that my ancestors were invaded by Europeans? Thank you based Europeans.[/QUOTE] You wanna know what your glorious Europeans did to [I]my[/I] country? [quote]United everyone so they would stop fighting eachother[/quote] - Destroyed an empire that was recovering from a civil war, which was caused by the Inca emperor dying because of [B]diseases brought by the Spanish[/B] [quote]Modern technology[/quote] - Destroyed many ancestral customs and techniques after sending all of our erudites to die mining for gold and silver like dogs [quote]Greater lifespan[/quote] - Brought diseases and pests that killed [B]millions[/B], and actually [B]shortened[/B] the lifespans of [I]my[/I] ancestors due to forced work and famine and... [quote]Don't have to worry about food[/quote] - Destroyed a [I]highly advanced and efficient[/I] agricultural system which ensured the survival of [B]millions[/B] across the largest empire in pre-columbian America The Europeans never brought civilization. She arrived [I][B]much[/B][/I] later, after all the damage was done
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46170130]are you arguing against or for their autonomy? First you said they had it and now you say they don't. WW2 is before the 50's, and the impact of those dictatorships lasted a fuck load longer than the 50's. right, it's shitposting if i do it but you're fine to go off topic. lol.[/QUOTE] k so i was responding to someone saying that european imperialism was directly responsible for all of africa's problems today, i'm saying its not true because even if europeans had colonies up until the 1950's they helped africa with development aid, food, and everything it needed to grow, but the governments that took over after ww2 fucked everything up
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46170141]Africa is so resource-rich it's not even funny. Geography wise it's not a problem if you don't count the Sahara desert.[/QUOTE] Hey milly did you take into account the various ways that Europe fucked over Africa and prevented its further development?
[QUOTE=J!NX;46170164]Africa was fine before we white people fucked things up they didn't have to worry about anything and didn't fight and then we came along and ruined EVERYTHING[/QUOTE] "Africa was a peaceful united society that didn't enslave eachother. There was never any war and everyone smiled." This is what some people actually believe. [editline]6th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Kyle902;46170176]Hey milly did you take into account the various ways that Europe fucked over Africa and prevented its further development?[/QUOTE] They left because the Africans wanted to become independent. Everything was fine until then.
[QUOTE=T553412;46170171]You wanna know what your glorious Europeans did to [I]my[/I] country? - Destroyed an empire that was recovering from a civil war. - Destroyed many ancestral customs and techniques after sending all of our erudites to die mining for gold and silver. - Brought diseases and pests that killed [B]millions[/B], and actually [B]shortened[/B] the lifespans of [I]my[/I] ancestors due to forced work and famine and... - Destroyed a [I]highly advanced and efficient[/I] agricultural system which ensured the survival of [B]millions[/B] across the largest empire in pre-columbian America The Europeans never brought civilization. She arrived [I][B]much[/B][/I] later, after all the damage was done[/QUOTE] Grade school never taught me this shit, first I was thinking "what the fuck, why change the name of the day", but now I feel it's completely justified.
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46170153]Groundless accusations. I have gay friends and relative and you're just throwing labels at me. For the fourth time that post demonstrates nothing about what I believed in race.[/QUOTE] you've openly stated previously you think gay marriage is wrong and that being gay is a mental disorder. Even with so called "gay friends", you're a homophobe. Having so called "friends" does nothing to lessen that burden on you when you say, and repeat, fucked up shit constantly. Saying that mixed race marriages are a degradation of marriage is actually a pretty analyzable statement that one can easily understand why you're racist from. First off, marriage, in your mind, is a narrow and tiny definition, a traditional definition that existed in a much more closed minded world. Secondly, you define a degradation to that definition in mixed race marriages. That alone tells me that you think the mixing of two races is a degradation to a previously perfect definition. This is far more than enough to understand your view that you think race and sexuality are all important aspects of marriage, and deviating from YOUR view is "degradation", a word that only has negative connotations and denotations. Please, stop trolling this fucking site or start arguing like a real person.
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46170153]Groundless accusations. [B]I have gay friends and relatives[/B] and you're just throwing labels at me. For the fourth time that post demonstrates nothing about what I believed in race.[/QUOTE] This is the point where people should stop taking you seriously.
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46170178]"Africa was a peaceful united society that didn't enslave eachother. There was never any war and everyone smiled." This is what some people actually believe.[/QUOTE] they certainly didn't have to worry nearly as much when they didn't have AK47's and shit to kill eachother [QUOTE=MillySoose;46170153]Groundless accusations. I have gay friends and relative and you're just throwing labels at me. For the fourth time that post demonstrates nothing about what I believed in race.[/QUOTE] You're not homophobic or racist, you're just incredibly ignorant and make crap up about things you obviously don't understand. You didn't pass history. You're too ignorant to realize WHY you are wrong and that's why people are accusing you of being racist. in fact, people who say "I'm not racist I have black friends" usually don't understand why that alone sounds terrible.
[QUOTE=MillySoose;46170153]Groundless accusations. I have gay friends and relative and you're just throwing labels at me. For the fourth time that post demonstrates nothing about what I believed in race.[/QUOTE] "I'm not a homophobe, I have gay friends, I just believe in traditional marriage" That is my interpretation of your post. That is THE only interpretation of you're post that you could reasonably expect people to make. Perhaps if you said your point in a somewhat coherent manner people wouldn't be calling you an idiot
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46170163]things were done in that time period that we're fucked up. Columbus didn't do a great service to the world intentionally. There is no point to a holiday about him. Remembering that many horrible things happened in the past relating to the founding of the US is not a bad thing. It's bad that you don't want to have people remember that.[/QUOTE] but i'm not saying we shouldn't remember that there was exploitation of the new world, i've even said that it should be renamed to explorer day or something like it, the point is, the spirit of the holiday is to think about exploration and discovery of the unknown, not celebrate the worst deeds done by europeans renaming it to remember native americans isn't really the point of the holiday and is more apologizing for history.
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