• Israeli soldier, 19, stabbed to death during bus ride
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[QUOTE=proch;42849585]Since when did it become popular to use "Asian person" as an insult of stupidity or uglyness anyway? I assume most people don't even actually fucking know what mongoloid means.[/QUOTE] [img]http://puu.sh/5hIrP.png[/img] Note the second one: [img]http://puu.sh/5hIr5.png[/img] It has two definitions.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;42855809]Compulsory service is the problem of the Israeli government. People resisting occupation strictly against military targets are not going to stop and say "wait the occupation might've been part of mandatory service" or all countries would hide their soldiers behind the "following orders" curtain. Israel is wholly complicit for placing potentially all its citizenry at risk by forcing them to participate in the maintenance of an illegal occupation.[/QUOTE] You are wrong. He wasn't even in a fighter role, he was just a "jobnik" (desk worker). If you don't want to be a fighter in the IDF, you don't have to, nobody's forcing you, I mean sure they'll try hard to persuade you, but if you really want it's no problem to leave fighter roles. Not everyone in the IDF serves or has served in the west bank, not everyone in the IDF is a fighter, hell most of the soldiers currently under conscription are office workers, does that make them all criminals? You realize that Israel dedicates most of the IDF to borders with countries like Lebanon and Syria? Where a big force is required to defend against an enemy country's real army? The situation in the west bank is totally different, there's no army to defend against, just a large military-police force to keep the populace in check. There's mostly Magav units (Border police) and military police, and there's an infantry division called Kfir specifically created for serving in the west bank (and to compare, there are 4 other infantry divisions whos purpose is to defend the borders against Lebanon, Syria and Gaza). So basically if an IDF soldier doesn't wish to serve in the west bank, it's not that hard to achieve. Not all of Israel are at fault for the occupation, not all of the IDF are occupiers, not all of us are "worthy victims", in spite of how you try to portray it.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42855638]yes i'm sure this 19 year old who was just serving his COMPULSORY military service was responsible for israeli actions[/QUOTE] Yes because that's what I was saying. [editline]14th November 2013[/editline] Oh right it fucking wasnt
The point is that being a part of an occupational military force makes you a part of the military regardless. No one distinguishes what you "specialize" in, as long as you're uniformed you're a legitimate target. Yeah it sucks, but mandatory conscription has no place in 2013.
And I wasn't justifying the murder, I was saying that it happened because of the Israeli governments actions. Quite frankly its not suprising when Palestinians turn to violence because the Israeli government doesn't fucking listen to non-violent protests [editline]14th November 2013[/editline] They just lob tear gas and hope that it won't happen again [editline]14th November 2013[/editline] automerge
[QUOTE=slamex;42849079]You're right, lets go kill every solider who has to do national service.[/QUOTE] Its not the soldiers fault but if you oppress a people shits going to go down; like the ghettos in WWII
[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;42857196]Its not the soldiers fault but if you oppress a people shits going to go down; like the ghettos in WWII[/QUOTE] Palestinians needs to realize that every action has consequences - Same goes for the Israeli side. But most of the time, Palestinians are the ones breaking the silence by launching Qassam rockets at civilian settlements.
[QUOTE=RzDat;42860017]Palestinians needs to realize that every action has consequences - Same goes for the Israeli side. But most of the time, Palestinians are the ones breaking the silence by launching Qassam rockets at civilian settlements.[/QUOTE] lol what silence
[QUOTE=Starpluck;42857063]The point is that being a part of an occupational military force makes you a part of the military regardless. No one distinguishes what you "specialize" in, as long as you're uniformed you're a legitimate target. Yeah it sucks, but mandatory conscription has no place in 2013.[/QUOTE] You say that because you're not in Israel, so threats are not a concern for you. Israel needs conscription because countries might attack at any moment. And who says conscription is bad? Look at some of the european countries, they have conscription. It helps provide skills to the people, and if they ever want to pursue a career be it in the military/non-military, the military can help. My country has conscription too, it isn't that bad, since I can understand why we need it.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;42857063]The point is that being a part of an occupational military force makes you a part of the military regardless. No one distinguishes what you "specialize" in, as long as you're uniformed you're a legitimate target. Yeah it sucks, but mandatory conscription has no place in 2013.[/QUOTE] I completely agree that mandatory conscription has no place in 2013. But the entire idf can't be blamed for the occupation. Maybe the high ranking officers, or the government, but exactly because israel has mandatory conscription, is the reason why you cant blame each and every soldier for it, since most aren't even related to it. And even those who do serve in the west bank, do not deserve to be stabbed in their sleep like that. You are a low, low person if you really think this murder was "okay".
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;42862156]I completely agree that mandatory conscription has no place in 2013. But the entire idf can't be blamed for the occupation. Maybe the high ranking officers, or the government, but exactly because israel has mandatory conscription, is the reason why you cant blame each and every soldier for it, since most aren't even related to it. And even those who do serve in the west bank, do not deserve to be stabbed in their sleep like that. You are a low, low person if you really think this murder was "okay".[/QUOTE] Don't expect Palestinians to "evaluate" every IDF soldier on a case by case basis before attempting to neutralize them. His position, his rank, and his time served are irrelevant and unknown when a member of the oppressed population sees a uniformed "target". Quit whining over his death, just because he was caught catching up on his beauty sleep doesn't mean he wasn't a valid target. You wear the uniform, you face the potential consequences of taking part of the IDF. By the way he volunteered for combat duty, not like that matters anyways. I am so tired of the IDF crying "no fair", for the amount they hype themselves up they sure are a bunch of whiny crybabies.
[QUOTE=Lamar;42862495]Quit whining over his death, just because he was caught catching up on his beauty sleep doesn't mean he wasn't a valid target. You wear the uniform, you face the potential consequences of taking part of the IDF.[/QUOTE] what the fuck no seriously what the fuck
[QUOTE=Lamar;42862495]Quit whining over his death, just because he was caught catching up on his beauty sleep doesn't mean he wasn't a valid target. You wear the uniform, you face the potential consequences of taking part of the IDF. By the way he volunteered for combat duty, not like that matters anyways. I am so tired of the IDF crying "no fair", for the amount they hype themselves up they sure are a bunch of whiny crybabies.[/QUOTE] Nice one, Lamar. You can now go back writing more threads about how awful Israel is and how poor and innocent are Palestinians.
[QUOTE=iwancoppa;42849062]Might help if israel wasn't being a bunch of mongoloids to palestinians. Edit: Half agree, Half dumb. Interesting.[/QUOTE] Yeah! And rape wouldn't happen if women stopped being such sluts, too!
[QUOTE=Lamar;42862495][b]Quit whining over his death, just because he was caught catching up on his beauty sleep doesn't mean he wasn't a valid target. You wear the uniform, you face the potential consequences of taking part of the IDF.[/b] [/QUOTE] By this logic I am considered a valid target of murder since I didn't dodge conscription (which is pretty hard to do, by the way). Same as your other thread where Israelis committed an act of terror against that Palestinian family by setting their house on fire, that kid committed an act of terror by stabbing a 19 year old in the goddamn neck while he was asleep on a bus. There was no strategic value to gain from taking him out, neither it would have gotten his brothers released. He just wanted to butcher a soldier to make a point, which, in my head at least, is inexcusable. But great to know you think murder is ok if it's an IDF soldier. Makes me feel pretty fucking warm inside.
[QUOTE=ScreamingGerbil;42864048]By this logic I am considered a valid target of murder since I didn't dodge conscription (which is pretty hard to do, by the way). Same as your other thread where Israelis committed an act of terror against that Palestinian family by setting their hose on fire, that kid committed an act of terror by stabbing a 19 year old in the goddamn neck while he was asleep on a bus. There was no strategic value to gain from taking him out, neither it would have gotten his brothers released. He just wanted to butcher a soldier to make a point, which, in my head at least, is inexcusable. But great to know you think murder is ok if it's an IDF soldier. Makes me feel pretty fucking warm inside.[/QUOTE] How dare you even suggest that targeting an Israeli soldier is on the same level as targeting a family of Palestinian civilians. The two events are not comparable and it is indeed acceptable for Palestinians to target Israeli soldiers given the IDF's occupation of the West Bank and suppression of Palestinian self-determination. You put on the uniform, you accept the consequences.
you're twisted
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;42864180]you're twisted[/QUOTE] It's not my fault you cannot differentiate between civilians and soldiers.
[QUOTE=Lamar;42864176]How dare you even suggest that targeting an Israeli soldier is on the same level as targeting a family of Palestinian civilians. The two events are not comparable and it is indeed acceptable for Palestinians to target Israeli soldiers given the IDF's occupation of the West Bank and suppression of Palestinian self-determination. You put on the uniform, you accept the consequences.[/QUOTE] Okay, so if an officer of the law puts his uniform on and later gets murdered by criminals. Do you say the murder is okay because he knew the consequences?
[QUOTE=RzDat;42864259]Okay, so if an officer of the law puts his uniform on and later gets murdered by criminals. Do you say the murder is okay because he knew the consequences?[/QUOTE] You've made a false equivalency.
[QUOTE=Lamar;42864228]It's not my fault you cannot differentiate between civilians and soldiers.[/QUOTE] he was a 19 year old kid who was just conscripted sleeping on a bus, how messed up are you?
[QUOTE=Lamar;42864176]How dare you even suggest that targeting an Israeli soldier is on the same level as targeting a family of Palestinian civilians. The two events are not comparable and it is indeed acceptable for Palestinians to target Israeli soldiers given the IDF's occupation of the West Bank and suppression of Palestinian self-determination. You put on the uniform, you accept the consequences.[/QUOTE] How dare you suggest that someone has the right to kill me for something that I have barely any control over? It's like I'm forced to wear a giant target on my head that says "shoot here". You need to understand that a large amount of us do [b]not have a choice[/b]. Even if you do try to dodge the draft by pretending to be insane or something you could still get thrown in jail if they find out you're pretending (as seen in women pretending to be orthodox to avoid national service). There's a guy here who went to jail over 4 times because he didn't want to serve and didn't try to fake a mental illness. Not many people want to go through that. Even if that kid stabbed someone who was in the process of leaving the army and ending his service because of whatever mental or political reason, yet had to wear the uniform to access the base for that to happen? Is it still a legitimate kill?
[QUOTE=iwancoppa;42849062]Might help if israel wasn't being a bunch of mongoloids to palestinians. Edit: Half agree, Half dumb. Interesting.[/QUOTE] I know it seems like Israel deserves retaliation with the way they've been treating the Palestinians but keep in mind that soldiers are conscripted and a lot of them don't even agree with what's going on. The government is what needs a cock slap to the face, not the grunts
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;42864276]he was a 19 year old kid who just conscripted sleeping on a bus, how messed up are you?[/QUOTE] He was 20 actually and his age is pretty irrelevant considering most soldiers are pretty young anyways. Him being a sleep or not doesn't matter either. [editline]14th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ScreamingGerbil;42864282]How dare you suggest that someone has the right to kill me for something that I have barely any control over? It's like I'm forced to wear a giant target on my head that says "shoot here". You need to understand that a large amount of us do [b]not have a choice[/b]. Even if you do try to dodge the draft by pretending to be insane or something you could still get thrown in jail if they find out you're pretending (as seen in women pretending to be orthodox to avoid national service). There's a guy here who went to jail over 4 times because he didn't want to serve and didn't try to fake a mental illness. Not many people want to go through that. Even if that kid stabbed someone who was in the process of leaving the army and ending his service because of whatever mental or political reason, yet had to wear the uniform to access the base for that to happen? Is it still a legitimate kill?[/QUOTE] Take it up with your government then, don't expect a Palestinian who lives under IDF occupation to take it easy on you just because you've been drafted.
[QUOTE=Lamar;42864311]He was 20 actually and his age is pretty irrelevant considering most soldiers are pretty young anyways. Him being a sleep or not doesn't matter either. [editline]14th November 2013[/editline] Take it up with your government then, don't expect a Palestinian who lives under IDF occupation to take it easy on you just because you've been drafted.[/QUOTE] the fact that you're applauding what he did/giving the OP a "winner" is what I'm getting at. just give me one way in which this improved the situation at all. just one
[QUOTE=Lamar;42864311] Take it up with your government then, don't expect a Palestinian who lives under IDF occupation to take it easy on you just because you've been drafted.[/QUOTE] No matter what you say, nothing will justify a murder. Don't expect IDF or Israeli settlers to take it easy on Palestinians either.
[QUOTE=Lamar;42864311]He was 20 actually and his age is pretty irrelevant considering most soldiers are pretty young anyways. Him being a sleep or not doesn't matter either. [editline]14th November 2013[/editline] Take it up with your government then, don't expect a Palestinian who lives under IDF occupation to take it easy on you just because you've been drafted.[/QUOTE] If you are honestly applauding the murder of a soldier, I guess you have no corrals with the usage of bombs to kill combatants which hide amongst civilians? Its just collateral and all, and they should of just avoided that guy who was holding an AK-47!
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;42864537]If you are honestly applauding the murder of a soldier, I guess you have no corrals with the usage of bombs to kill combatants which hide amongst civilians? Its just collateral and all, and they should of just avoided that guy who was holding an AK-47![/QUOTE] Israelis and Israel-supporters already take this position anyways. They just happen to bawl like babies whenever an Israeli soldier is killed and label it as a "terrorist attack". Your analogy isn't comparable anyways as your comparing the death of a military target and the deaths of military+civilian targets.
[QUOTE=Lamar;42864555]Israelis and Israel-supporters already take this position anyways. They just happen to bawl like babies whenever an Israeli soldier is killed and label it as a "terrorist attack".[/QUOTE] Both are terrorist acts..? If you kill someone to insight fear, its terrorism.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;42864581]Both are terrorist acts..? If you kill someone to insight fear, its terrorism.[/QUOTE] Then you're going the route of having to label every military that engaged in combat as a terrorist organization.
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