• Israeli soldier, 19, stabbed to death during bus ride
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[QUOTE=Lamar;42864596]Then you're going the route of having to label every military that engaged in combat as a terrorist organization.[/QUOTE] Welcome to War in a nutshell. Terrorism isn't limited to one band of mercenaries over the other.
shooting an occupying force is ok unless you are doing the occupying i suppose
[QUOTE=ScreamingGerbil;42864282]How dare you suggest that someone has the right to kill me for something that I have barely any control over? It's like I'm forced to wear a giant target on my head that says "shoot here". You need to understand that a large amount of us do [B]not have a choice[/B]. Even if you do try to dodge the draft by pretending to be insane or something you could still get thrown in jail if they find out you're pretending (as seen in women pretending to be orthodox to avoid national service). There's a guy here who went to jail over 4 times because he didn't want to serve and didn't try to fake a mental illness. Not many people want to go through that. Even if that kid stabbed someone who was in the process of leaving the army and ending his service because of whatever mental or political reason, yet had to wear the uniform to access the base for that to happen? Is it still a legitimate kill?[/QUOTE] This sounds like an Israeli government policy that needs to be addressed by Israelis. If you're holding an illegal occupation (as declared by international and principle judiciary bodies including the Security Council) that entails ethnic cleansing (forced depopulation of native Palestinians/re-population with Jewish settlers) in the West Bank, keep in mind that the right to resist against military target will always remain as an inalienable right. By being a uniformed and active member of the military, you are part of the military regardless. This is not the fault of the people fighting against the occupation, but rather Israeli policy makers. Personally knowing a few individuals in the IDF, it breaks my heart to see them subjected to forcibly directly/indirectly maintaining an illegal occupation. If you want to have mandatory conscription, that's fine but don't do so while you're engaging in an flagrant occupation that has not been recognized by a single nation on earth. It's a reckless policy of the Israeli government and puts many Israelis at risk as it doesn't offer them much of a choice.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;42864777] If you want to have mandatory conscription, that's fine but don't do so while you're engaging in an flagrant occupation that has not been recognized by a single nation on earth.[/QUOTE] [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel]You sure about that?[/URL]
[QUOTE=Monkah;42864812][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel"]You sure about that?[/URL][/QUOTE] If you wanna be a condescending asshole, know what the fuck you are linking me to. Countries that recognize the nation of Israel is not the same as countries recognizing Israel's illegal occupation.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;42864901]If you wanna be a condescending asshole, know what the fuck you are linking me to. Countries that recognize the nation of Israel is not the same as countries recognizing Israel's illegal occupation.[/QUOTE] Whoops, read it as "A nation that has not been recognized by a single nation on Earth." My bad.
[QUOTE=Lamar;42862495]Don't expect Palestinians to "evaluate" every IDF soldier on a case by case basis before attempting to neutralize them. His position, his rank, and his time served are irrelevant and unknown when a member of the oppressed population sees a uniformed "target". Quit whining over his death, just because he was caught catching up on his beauty sleep doesn't mean he wasn't a valid target. You wear the uniform, you face the potential consequences of taking part of the IDF. By the way he volunteered for combat duty, not like that matters anyways. I am so tired of the IDF crying "no fair", for the amount they hype themselves up they sure are a bunch of whiny crybabies.[/QUOTE] It's disgusting that you're trying to justify any form of murder. It's clear that you're more interested in violence or revenge than a peaceful resolution. From what you've posted, I can only assume that you're a complete sociopath, or have the logical capacity of a child. Referring to people as "valid targets" shows your flawed perspective of human life and simplistic way of thinking. People like you are the problem.
[QUOTE=Onion836;42865420]It's disgusting that you're trying to justify any form of murder. It's clear that you're more interested in violence or revenge than a peaceful resolution. From what you've posted, I can only assume that you're a complete sociopath, or have the logical capacity of a child. Referring to people as "valid targets" shows your flawed perspective of human life and simplistic way of thinking. People like you are the problem.[/QUOTE] What I find sad is that Lamar probably supports Hamas--who uses meat shields and kills innocents, mind you,--more than he supports the IDF. I mean, come on. Really?
[QUOTE=Starpluck;42864777]This sounds like an Israeli government policy that needs to be addressed by Israelis. If you're holding an illegal occupation (as declared by international and principle judiciary bodies including the Security Council) that entails ethnic cleansing (forced depopulation of native Palestinians/re-population with Jewish settlers) in the West Bank, keep in mind that the right to resist against military target will always remain as an inalienable right. By being a uniformed and active member of the military, you are part of the military regardless. This is not the fault of the people fighting against the occupation, but rather Israeli policy makers. Personally knowing a few individuals in the IDF, it breaks my heart to see them subjected to forcibly directly/indirectly maintaining an illegal occupation. If you want to have mandatory conscription, that's fine but don't do so while you're engaging in an flagrant occupation that has not been recognized by a single nation on earth. It's a reckless policy of the Israeli government and puts many Israelis at risk as it doesn't offer them much of a choice.[/QUOTE] You just don't understand, do you? Yes, the Palestinians have a right to resist, but that does not give them the right to murder idf soldiers in their sleep. That soldier wasn't even on duty, he was just travelling on the bus, on the way to his base. If we apply your logic, you might even say that breaking into a soldier's home nd murdering him in his sleep, at his home, is justified. Hell, if we take your logic one more step forward, just a tiny bit, it can even justify terror attacks against civilians "as an act of resisting the occupation".
[QUOTE=Monkah;42868814]What I find sad is that Lamar probably supports Hamas--who uses meat shields and kills innocents, mind you,--more than he supports the IDF. I mean, come on. Really?[/QUOTE] What would it even matter? The IDF isn't a stranger to using human shields or massacring innocents. [quote]During the 2008-2009 Gaza War known as Operation Cast Lead, Israeli military forces were accused of continuing to use civilians as human shields by Amnesty International and [b]former Israeli soldiers [/b](see Breaking the Silence). According to testimonies, [b]Israeli forces used unarmed Palestinians including children to protect military positions[/b], walk in front of armed soldiers; go into buildings to check for booby traps or gunmen; and inspect suspicious objects for explosives.[33][34][/quote] [url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-to-ask-high-court-to-review-ban-on-human-shield-practice-1.171689[/url] The IDF in fact loves using Palestinians as shields so much, they've even appealed to the high court to repeal a ban on using Palestinians as human shields. [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4333982.stm[/url]
[QUOTE=Lamar;42868965]What would it even matter? The IDF isn't a stranger to using human shields or massacring innocents. [url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-to-ask-high-court-to-review-ban-on-human-shield-practice-1.171689[/url] The IDF in fact loves using Palestinians as shields so much, they've even appealed to the high court to repeal a ban on using Palestinians as human shields. [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4333982.stm[/url][/QUOTE] You're still not giving any justification to murder a 19 year old soldier.
[QUOTE=Lamar;42868965]What would it even matter? The IDF isn't a stranger to using human shields or massacring innocents. [url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-to-ask-high-court-to-review-ban-on-human-shield-practice-1.171689[/url] The IDF in fact loves using Palestinians as shields so much, they've even appealed to the high court to repeal a ban on using Palestinians as human shields. [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4333982.stm[/url][/QUOTE] Who even gives a shit. At the end of the day, some mother is going to have to bury her child. It's weird to me, that people expect the two sides to reach compromise when each one has zero fucking empathy towards the other.
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