• [UK Conservative Propaganda] NHS Trusts Overspend £2.2 Billion
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[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49773084]Perhaps you should stop electing conservative governments that defund your healthcare.[/QUOTE] duly noted, thanks for the valuable info rangergxi
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49773084]Perhaps you should stop electing conservative governments that defund your healthcare.[/QUOTE] Trying my best but for some reason it's just not working, somehow got too much rhetoric stuck in my head and am now convinced we live in a better age with a strong safe secure economy. Send help.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49773084]Perhaps you should stop electing conservative governments that defund your healthcare.[/QUOTE] They only got 36% of the vote. Barely anyone wanted them in power actually.
[QUOTE=Tacooo;49773516]They only got 36% of the vote. Barely anyone wanted them in power actually.[/QUOTE] And very few people who actually voted them would admit they voted for them. They are ashamed to vote Tory but still did it. We really need an AV system.
Ironically, the shitty PFI deals that New Labour brought in cost the NHS about [URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/11748960/The-PFI-hospitals-costing-NHS-2bn-every-year.html"]£2.0 billion a year[/URL]. And for some reason the Coalition and the Tories still use them, because it essentially hides the cost of building hospitals from government spending at the cost of exorbitant repayment schemes.
As someone who's worked in the NHS a long time, We're understaffed, Underpaid, Overworked, Overcapacity, we have shitty managers that don't have a fucking clue what they're doing nor do they care as long as they get their Band 7 wage for the month i could honestly write a fucking book the size of the encyclopedia about the shit that goes off, Doctors not having a say in clinical setup and management staff with no clinical knowledge or experience trying to boss doctors and nurses about, for an example some clinics we do have a procedure that requires at LEAST 30mins plus to do efficiently but they ram them into 20 minute appointment slots and we have patients screaming and shouting at us for running over when we're simply trying to hold the place together. And that oversized fucking cuntassed tossbucket Jeremy fucking h(c)unt has the fucking nerve to bitch moan and complain how we are destroying the NHS, fuck off its the tories goal to destroy what is left of originally a good service until they started to sell off each little bit to the highest bidder who treat the service more like a business than something there to safeguard the health and wellbeing of patients.
[QUOTE=Source;49774816]As someone who's worked in the NHS a long time, We're understaffed, Underpaid, Overworked, Overcapacity, we have shitty managers that don't have a fucking clue what they're doing nor do they care as long as they get their Band 7 wage for the month i could honestly write a fucking book the size of the encyclopedia about the shit that goes off, Doctors not having a say in clinical setup and management staff with no clinical knowledge or experience trying to boss doctors and nurses about, for an example some clinics we do have a procedure that requires at LEAST 30mins plus to do efficiently but they ram them into 20 minute appointment slots and we have patients screaming and shouting at us for running over when we're simply trying to hold the place together. And that oversized fucking cuntassed tossbucket Jeremy fucking h(c)unt has the fucking nerve to bitch moan and complain how we are destroying the NHS, fuck off its the tories goal to destroy what is left of originally a good service until they started to sell off each little bit to the highest bidder who treat the service more like a business than something there to safeguard the health and wellbeing of patients.[/QUOTE] All of this is painfully true and I have to listen to it daily. My Dad is the lower band IT Manager for Southport and Ormskirk and the shit the managers above him do compared to him is fucking nothing, and they get paid double what he does. The higher managers just offload their work to everyone else and don't do jackshit themselves, then you got the middlemanagers that luckily they started to get rid of but its the same sketch again. The NHS is understaffed, underpaid, overworked and managed extremely badly, most of the problems with the NHS is the upper management and a lot can be resolved by getting people to actually do their fucking work instead of micromanaging it to everyone else. And don't get me started on the Doctors who think they can tell people how to do their jobs. No you can't take an entire record of who you treated today home with you, theres a thing called security you tard.
[QUOTE=Reagy;49774851]All of this is painfully true and I have to listen to it daily. My Dad is the lower band IT Manager for Southport and Ormskirk and the shit the managers above him do compared to him is fucking nothing, and they get paid double what he does. The higher managers just offload their work to everyone else and don't do jackshit themselves, then you got the middlemanagers that luckily they started to get rid of but its the same sketch again. The NHS is understaffed, underpaid, overworked and managed extremely badly, most of the problems with the NHS is the upper management and a lot can be resolved by getting people to actually do their fucking work instead of micromanaging it to everyone else. And don't get me started on the Doctors who think they can tell people how to do their jobs. No you can't take an entire record of who you treated today home with you, theres a thing called security you tard.[/QUOTE] All true i've worked in several different departments all different level jobs aswell from, Band 2 to Band 6 and its the same problem in every case, underfunded, understaffed, overworked, and shitty fucking managers leeching off the system. A lot of the cases with doctors is hit and miss, Clinicians......should manage clinicians not some suited up pompous twat that doesn't know a Catheter from a fucking Cateract, the Doctors at my current place know exactly how what is slowly becoming a nurse led service should be run, but they aren't asked for input nor given the opportunity to do so, so we constantly run overtime ( not paid for ) not to mention the shit we get off patients when we try to explain, we tell them to write complaints but nothing ever comes of them.
Makes me wonder why I am looking forwards to qualifying this year. I know exactly what is coming and I should be horrified.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;49777251]Makes me wonder why I am looking forwards to qualifying this year. I know exactly what is coming and I should be horrified.[/QUOTE] Same here, i'm a student nurse and i'm rapidly considering applying for a job abroad when i graduate at this point.
[QUOTE=meharryp;49773043]Privatisation != Abolishment of free healthcare[/QUOTE] Yes it does, why on earth would the government privatise it and then pay for it any way? That would literally cost the country even more money because the private company will be out to make a profit. The only alternative is some horrible insurance based system where you get cancer and then get told to go fuck yourself despite paying out £15,000 a year.
The experience with private companies trying many things here has gone abysmally. Our railways are a fucking joke, everyone has been screwed by electricity or gas companies at some point (if you ever have Spark energy, fucking drop it like its hot), water companies are not much better. Privatising medical services leads to discrepancies in coverage around the country, and also leads to private companies promising the world and then pulling out when they realise they overestimated, forcing the local NHS trust to spend a shitload of money to try to make up the lack of coverage. It also leads to issues with training - as a general rule private companies do not accept trainees, and they also tend not to accept staff who have not got at least 2 years NHS experience - common practice is for private companies to wait for a band 5 NHS staff member such as a nurse, radiographer or physio to be raised to band 6 or 7 with on the job NHS training, for example in ward managing (I don't know nursing stuff, assuming that is an advanced skill) or specialist imaging modalities, then poach them by offering a great salary, meaning they reap rewards from NHS training, without putting anything in the system. If there was solely private healthcare, I wonder how the training would go...
[QUOTE=Terminutter;49777806]common practice is for private companies to wait for a band 5 NHS staff member such as a nurse, radiographer or physio to be raised to band 6 or 7 with on the job NHS training, for example in ward managing (I don't know nursing stuff, assuming that is an advanced skill) or specialist imaging modalities, then poach them by offering a great salary, meaning they reap rewards from NHS training, without putting anything in the system. If there was solely private healthcare, I wonder how the training would go...[/QUOTE] This is what energy companies do with nuclear sub engineers from the navy. Give them an offer they cant refuse since they wont require as much training as someone fresh from education
[QUOTE=Source;49777724]Same here, i'm a student nurse and i'm rapidly considering applying for a job abroad when i graduate at this point.[/QUOTE] I saw a documentary where some old people went to go and see if they could retire to India and the hospitals (albeit private hospitals) in India looked better equipped, better staffed, better managed... and this was India, and I'm talking Jaipur which while it's not a slum-hole is certainly not the richest place in the country. for what the NHS does they really are taken for granted, heck I would advise anyone who studied to be a doctor to avoid the NHS like the fucking plague right now. I know you want to help people but dear god you need to look out for number one before you can consider anyone else, go somewhere that will pay you a decent wage for what you are actually fucking worth.
[QUOTE=thisguy123;49778234]for what the NHS does they really are taken for granted, heck I would advise anyone who studied to be a doctor to avoid the NHS like the fucking plague right now. I know you want to help people but dear god you need to look out for number one before you can consider anyone else, go somewhere that will pay you a decent wage for what you are actually fucking worth.[/QUOTE] Well, that's the result of the NHS acting as a monopoly buyer of doctors. The government gets to ignore free market conditions and squeeze wages way lower than they should be, and, if they don't do so, they're wasting taxpayer money.
[QUOTE=thisguy123;49778234]I saw a documentary where some old people went to go and see if they could retire to India and the hospitals (albeit private hospitals) in India looked better equipped, better staffed, better managed... and this was India, and I'm talking Jaipur which while it's not a slum-hole is certainly not the richest place in the country. for what the NHS does they really are taken for granted, heck I would advise anyone who studied to be a doctor to avoid the NHS like the fucking plague right now. I know you want to help people but dear god you need to look out for number one before you can consider anyone else, go somewhere that will pay you a decent wage for what you are actually fucking worth.[/QUOTE] Of course the hospitals in India aren't a shit hole, they're that way because literally only the richest people in India can afford to use them
[QUOTE=thisguy123;49778234] (albeit private hospitals[/QUOTE] do you know the costs? rich folk will gladly pay £60'000 for a 1 week admission. and just because it's india doesnt mean 5* services dont exist
[QUOTE=AK'z;49778585]do you know the costs? rich folk will gladly pay £60'000 for a 1 week admission. and just because it's india doesnt mean 5* services dont exist[/QUOTE] The documentary was called the real marigold hotel and private medical care was cheap enough that a pensioner could afford it. Ok granted they were b list celebrities but they weren't exactly rich.
[QUOTE=thisguy123;49778864]The documentary was called the real marigold hotel and private medical care was cheap enough that a pensioner could afford it. Ok granted they were b list celebrities but they weren't exactly rich.[/QUOTE]b list celebs are absolutely 'rich' in comparison to the average brit, especially when 1/3rd of british workers are living paycheck to paycheck
[QUOTE=thisguy123;49778864]The documentary was called the real marigold hotel and private medical care was cheap enough that a pensioner could afford it. Ok granted they were b list celebrities but they weren't exactly rich.[/QUOTE] So what do you class as rich then? Donald Trump or higher?
[QUOTE=Tacooo;49773516]They only got 36% of the vote. Barely anyone wanted them in power actually.[/QUOTE] Getting the majority of the votes is "barely anyone" nowadays I guess. What kind of idiot logic is this?
private healthcare is feasible for rich people and the costs are clearly way over the mark for the working majority.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;49779085]Getting the majority of the votes is "barely anyone" nowadays I guess. What kind of idiot logic is this?[/QUOTE] That's 37% percent of those who voted, but only about 25% of those actually registered to vote. It's not really no one but it is really only a minority of the votes but got over 50% of the seats any way because of our silly FPTP voting system.
People who want private healthcare are people who have never needed public healthcare (yet) and/or stand to gain profit from it. This thread alone is pretty disappointing ("lol the nhs isn't very good" *no sources quoted other than some blog about breaking bad*). If our resident right-winger is free to come and swing an opinion around, then perhaps the rest of the UK users should have a go. Anecdotally speaking, how many of you have had a poor experience via the NHS? I've had several unfortunate run-ins with hospitals and have been interred twice for life-saving treatments. Both went perfectly. I lived in one of the poorest places in the UK for 21 years and now live in London and see similar levels of care - so there's two extremes in funding that prove it still works well. The best part is, amidst the several-dozen GP appointments and ranges of treatment (indeed I am on permanent medication for the remainder of my life, and continue to receive prescriptions via social healthcare) I have never had to worry about financial ruin. Everything is paid for through tax, and I am very happy that I am taxed to ensure other people can enjoy the same qualities of care. I would gladly pay higher tax to support a more financially stable NHS, and I seriously doubt you would find many with a different opinion if given a transparent and honest comparison with comparable private care costs. If anyone can provide a reasonable explanation for how a private system might now be implemented to instead provide excellent care at the same cost, then go ahead. Making the assumption that private investors would somehow sweep over the country and improve services and hospitals without a financial toll upon the people is simply inexplicable. If we're all taxed to improve these services then we'll all benefit - instead of the opposite scenario, which ensures that 'unlucky' people are financially crippled simply for having the misfortune for getting ill.
I pretty much never need to go to the doctors (fortunately), but every time my parents want an appointment it takes weeks and the GP never does anything except prescribe antibiotics. Oh, and my grandfather can barely walk because NHS doctors ignored the problems with his hip until he went to a private practitioner to get something done, but by that point it was too late. I think the NHS performs better in emergency treatment but in terms of general care, I think it has done myself and my family pretty poorly, though we are the sort of people who would easily afford private healthcare.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;49781269]I pretty much never need to go to the doctors (fortunately), but every time my parents want an appointment it takes weeks and the GP never does anything except prescribe antibiotics. Oh, and my grandfather can barely walk because NHS doctors ignored the problems with his hip until he went to a private practitioner to get something done, but by that point it was too late. I think the NHS performs better in emergency treatment but in terms of general care, I think it has done myself and my family pretty poorly, though we are the sort of people who would easily afford private healthcare.[/QUOTE] Is it conceivable that the issues your parents approach the GP with are issues that might be solved via the prescription of antibiotics? I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather, but I obviously don't know anything about the situation and thus can't comment on it. It's extremely interesting to me that you claim to "never need to go to the doctors" - because that really enforces what I was trying to put across when I said those who look favourably towards the ideal of private healthcare are those who have never truly needed social healthcare. This is something I've seen time and time again - and even more interestingly is an opinion easily dispelled when those individuals do eventually end up requiring care. It's a sort of basic lack of empathy also seen with the immigrants rhtetoric and elder people shunning young professionals who complain about house prices. I'm not calling you out specifically on it - but it truly does seem like a lot of people simply don't stop to think about what they would want if they were in the position of someone in need.
I'm not in favour of private healthcare like in the US. I'm mostly just critical of the NHS (which I think is highly overrated) and I think that a system such as the one in Germany ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany#Public_insurance[/url]) would be more efficient (and also would not lead to poor people dying or people with serious illnesses being bankrupted), however I recognise that this is not going to happen.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49778933]b list celebs are absolutely 'rich' in comparison to the average brit, especially when 1/3rd of british workers are living paycheck to paycheck[/QUOTE] I say B-list, it's more like I'm a celebrity get me out of here rejects. B-list was the wrong expression. Sure they were better off than your average brit but IIRC a full medical checkup in India cost about £100 vs the £500 or so the programme mentioned for UK. Again with all the expertise and machines you would expect from pretty decent private care (or at least better than your average NHS service... not to say the NHS is bad). TL:DR In the UK medical staff of all professions are overworked and underpaid was my point and that doctors in INDIA have a better time of it, even with comparatively lower pay.
[QUOTE=AK'z;49772239] They report this crap but NHS is still understaffed, underpaid and backlogged with struggling demands all over the country. [/QUOTE] I'd just like to point out, that the two are not necessarily exclusive. You can be understaffed and overpay. Hell sometimes you overpay because you're understaffed.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;49781905]I'd just like to point out, that the two are not necessarily exclusive. You can be understaffed and overpay. Hell sometimes you overpay because you're understaffed.[/QUOTE] Nah its just most of the money goes to the wrong people, the top line fuckers that do an absolutely shit job yet still get rewarded for it.
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