• Ol' Man Kalashnikov in Intensive Care
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[QUOTE=brawl;38991557]Still, designing a device solely to kill is not in the least bit commendable in my book.[/QUOTE]He designed it in the interests of defending his country; it's the old Soviet "Hoot if you're anti-capitalist, and get a free crate of guns!" policy (which the US and NATO in general also did) that you should get angry at.
And he also designed glorious PK machine gun.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;38987836]Fixed that, but yeah... I hope Kalashnikov gets to see the AK-12 become adopted by the Russian Military as well as hunter/gun-owners around the world.[/QUOTE] Your avatar.
He wasn't thaaat groundbreaking, I mean; his design wasn't even original, it was based off the first ever Assault Rifle - The German StG 44. Even if the inner workings were slightly different.
[QUOTE=flamehead5;38996211]He wasn't thaaat groundbreaking, I mean; his design wasn't even original, it was based off the first ever Assault Rifle - The German StG 44. Even if the inner workings were slightly different.[/QUOTE] Slightly different? The [I]whole [/I][I]design[/I] is completely, fundamentally different. At best it was inspired by the StG 44's concept.
[QUOTE=flamehead5;38996211]He wasn't thaaat groundbreaking, I mean; his design wasn't even original, it was based off the first ever Assault Rifle - The German StG 44. Even if the inner workings were slightly different.[/QUOTE] Two best ways to piss off Gunpunchers; -Be Sobotnik -Insult the Kalashnikov series. (By the way Gunpunchers, I agree with Sobotnik, regulate guns like cars.)
[QUOTE=flamehead5;38996211]He wasn't thaaat groundbreaking, I mean; his design wasn't even original, it was based off the first ever Assault Rifle - The German StG 44. Even if the inner workings were slightly different.[/QUOTE] AK-47 was not based off the StG 44
[QUOTE=brawl;38991557]Still, designing a device solely to kill is not in the least bit commendable in my book.[/QUOTE] A weapon is just a tool. It has no inherent ethical value.
[QUOTE=flamehead5;38996211]He wasn't thaaat groundbreaking, I mean; his design wasn't even original, it was based off the first ever Assault Rifle - The German StG 44. Even if the inner workings were slightly different.[/QUOTE] The AK has more in common with the M1 Garand than it does the STG or even the SKS.
[QUOTE=laserguided;38996283]AK-47 was not based off the StG 44[/QUOTE] You, are stupid. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44#Post-1945[/url]
[QUOTE=flamehead5;38996506]You, are stupid. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44#Post-1945[/url][/QUOTE] You are stupid. [QUOTE] Generally accepted as the world's first assault rifle, the StG44's effect on post-war arms design was wide-ranging, as evidenced by Mikhail Kalashnikov's AK-47, and later in the U.S. M16 and its variants. The Soviet Union was quick to adopt the assault rifle concept. The AK-47 used a similar-sized intermediate round and followed the design concept, but was mechanically very different.[/QUOTE] Is not [QUOTE]He wasn't thaaat groundbreaking, I mean; his design wasn't even original, it was based off the first ever Assault Rifle - The German StG 44. Even if the inner workings were slightly different.[/QUOTE] They bear no relation except for being assault rifles, having a pistol grip and curved magazine.
[QUOTE=flamehead5;38996506]You, are stupid. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44#Post-1945[/url][/QUOTE] Design only. [I]Design[/I], as in the visual appearance and general shape. [editline]28th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=DaysBefore;38996280]Two best ways to piss off Gunpunchers; -Be Sobotnik -Insult the Kalashnikov series.[/QUOTE] He isn't even insulting it, he's just spouting bullshit.
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;38996403]A weapon is just a tool. It has no inherent ethical value.[/QUOTE] It's intended purpose can give you a hint of an ethical value. You couldn't defend this with ideas of improving marksmanship or hunting, the gun was designed with the purpose of killing other people. You could justify that killing with self defence or whatever else tickles your fancy, but fundamentally, it is designed to kill people.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38987805]I think this guy affected the future of the world as much so than any politician of his time did.[/QUOTE] He affected the world in a way a politician couldn't.
Godspeed, you magnificent bastard. *salute*
[QUOTE=flamehead5;38996506]You, are stupid. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44#Post-1945[/url][/QUOTE] [quote]The AK-47 used a similar-sized intermediate round and followed the design concept, [B]but was mechanically very different.[/B][/quote] Did you even read the first paragraph of your own source? Seriously, it's right there staring you in the face, telling you that you are wrong.
I really hope he makes it. My AK and my RPK are 2 of my favorite rifles, and I can't wait to buy an AK12 next year when they get imported into the US.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38997615]I really hope he makes it. My AK and my RPK are 2 of my favorite rifles, and I can't wait to buy an AK12 next year when they get imported into the US.[/QUOTE] Better hope the Assault Weapons Ban doesn't pass.
[QUOTE=flamehead5;38996506]You, are stupid. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44#Post-1945[/url][/QUOTE] You posted a source that goes against what you thought. seriously how dumb can you be?
[QUOTE=EcksDee;38991537]He's not exactly responsible for any deaths though[/QUOTE] Well he did serve as a soldier in World War II, memory serving he even got into gun design when he tried to address some flaws he found in Soviet issue weapons while he was recovering from an injury, so he did probably kill at least a few people.
[quote]After World War II, as General Designer of small arms for the Soviet Army, [b]his design subordinates included the Germans Hugo Schmeisser, designer of the StG-44, [/b]and Werner Grüner (of MG 42 fame) who was a pioneer in sheet metal embossing technology in the 1950s.[/quote] Perhaps that is why both the AK-47 and the StG-44 look similar.
[QUOTE=laserguided;38997757]Better hope the Assault Weapons Ban doesn't pass.[/QUOTE] It won't pass, I'd be surprised if it wasn't DOA when it reaches the house. [editline]28th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=asteroidrules;38997930]Well he did serve as a soldier in World War II, memory serving he even got into gun design when he tried to address some flaws he found in Soviet issue weapons while he was recovering from an injury, so he did probably kill at least a few people.[/QUOTE] He was the driver on a tank, so I kinda doubt it.
There have been and there always will be devices to kill people, but I dont see much point in glorifying their creators.
[QUOTE=Uberpro;38998227]There have been and there always will be devices to kill people, but I dont see much point in glorifying their creators.[/QUOTE] Regardless of its purpose, his invention was one that shaped large parts of the world and has become a symbol of pretty much every revolution since its manufacture. So glorify? No, but we can certainly appreciate the design and the designer from a historical and technical point of view
His design is on the flag of a country, its surely shaped the world in the last century.
[QUOTE=Sardonus;38991489]I wonder how many deaths he's responsible for :v: [/QUOTE] Well none, really. You can't point to the Mesolithic man who invented the bow and arrow and attribute him responsible for every projectile death that came afterwards Kalashnikov just made a popular gun design. That's it. If it wasn't the AK47 killing people then it just would have been the SKS or something.
[QUOTE=Elfy;38991514]But he changed modern history :([/QUOTE] His weapons have become the signatures for revolution. The weapons he designed were used by the uprising citizens of the Arab Spring and many other rebellions before that. He should be proud.
[QUOTE=Uberpro;38998227]There have been and there always will be devices to kill people, but I dont see much point in glorifying their creators.[/QUOTE] It's a great rifle. Simple and reliable. The man devoted nearly his whole life to his country and is passionate about it. He is a great man. I hope he gets better.
[QUOTE=smeismastger;38999443]His weapons have become the signatures for revolution. The weapons he designed were used by the uprising citizens of the Arab Spring and many other rebellions before that. He should be proud.[/QUOTE] "My work is my life, and my life is my work. I invented this assault rifle to defend my country. Today, I am proud that it has become for many synonymous with liberty." Yup. He's proud.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;38999477]"My work is my life, and my life is my work. I invented this assault rifle to defend my country. Today, I am proud that it has become for many synonymous with liberty." Yup. He's proud.[/QUOTE] Weapons designed for the working class to defend themselfs and it shows. There is absolutely no weapon in the world that has such reliability and accuracy per cost as Kalashnikov's weapons. Weapons that are so well performing that several countries across the world have designed weapons heavily based on his weapons, or even outright adopted them as they are. He damn right has earned every medal he has.
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