• Pull up your Pants or face six solid months in jail is in a effect in a Florida City
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[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45439059]You're going to have to wait a while for that, buddy, seeing as how this ordinance was just approved. I shouldn't need statistics to convince people that this ordinance is [I]ideologically[/I] racist. It specifically targets a singular fashion statement which is stereotypically attributed to minorities. Just because you, singularly, have seen white people dressed like this (I have too) doesn't mean that the prevailing cultural attitudes don't exist. To defend this ordinance you have to (A) assume that these lawmakers are in-touch enough with fashion to know that lots of people dress this way, you have to (B) take their word for it that low-riding pants are a severe enough public concern to warrant police action, and you have to (C) agree that a 500 dollar fine or half a year in prison are appropriate punishments for wearing your pants too low, like putting someone in prison for six months will somehow reform their desire to wear baggy pants as opposed to just entrenching them in a vicious cycle of prison recidivism and dwindling opportunities. B and C are obvious nonsense so I don't see how anybody behind this has earned the benefit of a doubt with regards to A. The leaps in logic a person has to make in order to believe that this law is in good faith are beyond my comprehension. It's like watching an olympic mental gymnastics routine.[/QUOTE] Yeah, no. Just because something is (falsely) stereotypically attributed to a minority doesn't make it racist. So unless you can prove that this was implemented because "only those dirty brown people sag their pants", and not because they want people in public to actually be decent, then you're "racism" claims don't have a leg to stand on. Also, if it could be solved with a stern talking to or cheap fine, then it wouldn't have resorted to such drastic measures. You have to make the risk higher than the reward to make it effective.....
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45439266]"This law was made by white people, therefore are against minorities"[/QUOTE] Even that makes more sense than "they wrote this absurd, draconian ordinance because it was called for." I mean when somebody lies to me to my face I don't think it's out of line to question their motives for doing so. I refuse to believe that the people behind this ordinance genuinely believe that giving people on the street criminal records that will interfere with their ability to find gainful employment will be beneficial to their community. It is safe to assume that their motives are worthy of suspicion. Even if everybody involved all have black friends and really aren't racist, honest, they swear, anything which needlessly adds to the prison population supports America's racist prison-industrial complex. There are a sequence of troubling implications of this ordinance which stack on top of each other so, even as you peel one back, you find yet another underneath it. It's racism all the way down.
I hate that fashion trend, but I'd be willing to break this law just to piss off those who support it. Fuckin ludicrous.
Would you still be arrested if you wore another pair of pants under the pants that you are sagging?
[QUOTE=_Kent_;45439473]Would you still be arrested if you wore another pair of pants under the pants that you are sagging?[/QUOTE] probably not, by their definition of the law, unless they're going to use a literal interpretation.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;45438589]Their clothes fit properly, they just chose to wear it around their ankles instead. Seriously, most people I see doing this do so with pants/shorts with elastic waist bands. Don't buy sizes that are too large, and for everything else, there's a belt (that costs all of $10). If the belt is too tight, take it down a hole or two, it'll still keep shit where it needs to be, you don't need to cut off circulation to your lower extremities to prevent sagging. I'm not condoning jailtime or a $500 fine for this kind of shit, but this excuse is a piss-poor one.[/QUOTE] Okay i understand you really don't like the way some people dress (???) but i wasnt saying all of them have ill fitting clothes, i was saying even if wearing your trousers stupidly low was worthy of being a crime, and its really not, what separates the people doing it for the style from innocent (hahahaha) people like me in the aforementioned situation?
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45439333]Even that makes more sense than "they wrote this absurd, draconian ordinance because it was called for." I mean when somebody lies to me to my face I don't think it's out of line to question their motives for doing so. I refuse to believe that the people behind this ordinance genuinely believe that giving people on the street criminal records that will interfere with their ability to find gainful employment will to be beneficial to their community. It is safe to assume that their motives are suspect. Even if everybody involved all have black friends and really aren't racist, honest, they swear, anything which needlessly adds to the prison population supports America's racist prison-industrial complex. There are a sequence of troubling implications of this ordinance which stack on top of each other so, even as you peel one back, you find yet another underneath it. It's racism all the way down.[/QUOTE] Are you even reading your own posts? Draconian Ordinance? It's not as if people are being forced to wear strictly regulatory uniform by the government, it's just pulling up your fucking pants. I also seriously doubt the lawmakers here had an intent for only Black people to get arrested for this. It might unfortunately get used by racist cops to arrest black people, but the idea that this is intended to target African Americans is absolutely ludicrous. I'm not for this law by the way, at most, I'd be okay with maybe a $20 fine for those who do this but otherwise this law is just stupid.
someone should hold a protest and get as many people as they can to sag as low as they can, then challenge the law when they all get arrested.
[QUOTE=de;45439794]someone should hold a protest and get as many people as they can to sag as low as they can, then challenge the law when they all get arrested.[/QUOTE] Which will never happen, as the responses will just be "it's not a big deal, why do you care so much? Just wear your clothes properly."
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45439059]I shouldn't need statistics to convince people that this ordinance is [I]ideologically[/I] racist. It specifically targets a singular fashion statement which is stereotypically attributed to minorities. Just because you, singularly, have seen white people dressed like this (I have too) doesn't mean that the prevailing cultural attitudes don't exist.[/QUOTE] and just because you've seen more minorities dressed like that it doesn't mean that's the prevailing culture you're literally calling him out for using anecdotal evidence while doing the same thing yourself
Damn, that's some comic Judge Dredd shit right there.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45438515]Do you honestly think that the ancient white lawmakers behind this don't have any prejudices towards the people that they're threatening with jailtime?[/QUOTE] I'm going to go further and say that it's basically only black people who are going to be going to jail over this at all. If the cops see a white person doing it they'll tell them to stop, or maybe write a ticket, but it's pretty much only going to be black people getting arrested for it.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45441032]I'm going to go further and say that it's basically only black people who are going to be going to jail over this at all. If the cops see a white person doing it they'll tell them to stop, or maybe write a ticket, but it's pretty much only going to be black people getting arrested for it.[/QUOTE] I would say that's quite the assumption you have going on there. But by all means, let's generalize everything with no evidence. Odds are, it's not going to be "Oh boy, sagging pants, time to go to prison". I'm pretty damn certain that will be for like the 4th+ offense. If you won't obey the law, you suffer the consequences. If you don't want to do time, don't do the crime.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45441202]If you won't obey the law, you suffer the consequences. If you don't want to do time, don't do the crime.[/QUOTE] But this is not even a crime.
I want to see a protest completely filled with people who have their pants down
[QUOTE=.Isak.;45437428]This is disgusting, racist, and offensive, and the first person to get arrested should immediately challenge the law in court and have it overturned. It's a pathetic excuse to imprison and oppress minorities for the sake of "decency" when women can openly wear bikinis and men can freely wear speedos on public beaches in the area. And because someone on Facepunch is inevitably going to say I'm racist for saying that only black people sag their pants, this law will undoubtedly ignore the affluent white kids who do so. It's specifically targeted against the fashion of a certain race in an intentionally discriminatory way. It's genuinely no different than fining and imprisoning Arabic people for wearing Thawbs, or arresting and charging Irish people for wearing kilts. Disgusting.[/QUOTE] Posts like this are why we are receding as a society.
I would like to make some points in favor of the Proper Pants Proposition. The first and foremost obvious rule is that running, walking, and anything requiring someone to be bipedal are all impeded by wearing your pants too low. If something falls off of construction scaffolding, you need to jump out of the way. If someone has a life-threatening accident, and you need to run to get help, you jeopardize their life by not having your pants pulled up. Lives are saved by precious seconds, you know. And, it is every citizen's civic duty to help each other. The second problem is that wearing your pants too low also enables you to get pantsed, pushed over, and then robbed or raped. For personal security, we can't allow such an easily exploitable garment to let criminals run free and get away with whatever they want. We need a deterrent to the life of crime, not an enabler. The third is that an increasing number of extraterrestrial life forms have been disguising themselves as humans, and conducting acts of treason against mankind. For this reason, all illegal aliens are prohibited from entering, or remaining on, earth. But many keep working in secret, and due to their morphology, pants rest at an incredibly low location, making them easy to spot. But when humans start wearing their pants low, it can trigger false alarms, and cause MIB agents to disregard the real alarms. Lastly, "Hood life" is a negative and destructive culture that targets primarily black people. It is most easily visually identified by low pants. When a person is consumed by this culture, they, according to the cultural rules, become unemployable, drop out of high school, and partake in criminal activities. This, in turn, feeds the stigma that "Police hate black people", as the culture primarily consists of that ethnicity, which results in sucking in even more adolescents into the culture, and throwing away their lives. The Proper Pants Proposition is one in a series of laws that will be rolled out to put a stop to this culture, while keeping these individuals off of our streets.
So just because it's a trend that apparently originated from a minority ethnic sub culture that makes it racist? Makes you think why they didn't try to make it illegal decades ago if that's the case, unless I'm missing something then I apologise
Fashion Statement? It's retarded, looks stupid, and borders on indecent exposure. You know how many cops have grabbed cock during a pat down because of it?
[QUOTE=TheTalon;45441731]Fashion Statement? It's retarded, looks stupid, and borders on indecent exposure. You know how many cops have grabbed cock during a pat down because of it?[/QUOTE] better separate fathers from their children for 6 months because they "looked stupid"
[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;45441251]But this is not even a crime.[/QUOTE] It is now :v:
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45441756]better separate fathers from their children for 6 months because they "looked stupid"[/QUOTE] Wearing no pants and just your skibs could get you arrested for indecent exposure, and of course released that same day depending on your record. Why should wearing pants below them so they hang out be any different. 6 months is extreme but let's be honest, it's more than just not liking a fashion
[QUOTE=TheTalon;45442204]Wearing no pants and just your skibs could get you arrested for indecent exposure, and of course released that same day depending on your record. Why should wearing pants below them so they hang out be any different. 6 months is extreme but let's be honest, it's more than just not liking a fashion[/QUOTE] Agreed. Why can't these people just live in their own town separate from us. Nature made people who sag their pants and people who don't sag their pants separate for a reason.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45441032]I'm going to go further and say that it's basically only black people who are going to be going to jail over this at all. If the cops see a white person doing it they'll tell them to stop, or maybe write a ticket, but it's pretty much only going to be black people getting arrested for it.[/QUOTE] Source? Oh wait
[QUOTE=TheTalon;45441731]Fashion Statement? It's retarded, looks stupid, and borders on indecent exposure. You know how many cops have grabbed cock during a pat down because of it?[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but if you don't like the way other people dress you can frankly grow the fuck up and get over it. No one should have the right to tell people how they are and aren't allowed to dress.
said Rich, [B][I][U]73[/U][/I][/B] well there's your problem right there
Can't people just straight up wear boxers around town? On what principle are they banning it? I don't get how this law exists. It's not revealing, so it's not playing off of that.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45438515]Just because that kind of street fashion has been appropriated by other groups doesn't mean it's not still popularly associated with the minority subcultures in which it originated. Do you honestly think that the ancient white lawmakers behind this don't have any prejudices towards the people that they're threatening with jailtime? [editline]19th July 2014[/editline] how can anybody be so naive as to see such an [B]extreme[/B] law as being the product of an innocent, even-handed concern with "indecent exposure?"[/QUOTE] Do you even have proof that it was all done by "Ancient white lawmakers"? Because uhh, when you look up florida's legislature, there's more than just old whites. [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45438685]I'm going to go walk naked through an elementary school everyday. LOLFREEDOMOFEXPRESSION! But if you are talking about "freedom of expression", then all types of freedom of expression should be allowed. The second you start restricting some, you open the door to restricting them all. It really is an all or nothing deal....[/QUOTE] Schools have their own sets of rules you know. Freedom of expression has nothing to do with schools restricting how you dress, and even what you can say.
I think it can be shot down by the supreme Court for being unconstitutional. You could say how someone dresses is a way of one's expression, then first amendment stuff and you know the rest. Just because of how grossly obscene the punishment is for something stupid I'm sure it would be lookrf at. Also isn't there an amendment that disallows unfair punishment, or punishment that doesn't match the crime. Edit. Missing and wrong words fixed, my autocorrect is fucked up today.
Did anyone make pants model that already started with underwear at the top as a part of it? Could be a goldmine. Name them "sants".
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