• Police shoot crazy guy waving a knife in the middle of times square, all of it was caught on film
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[QUOTE=Lonestriper;37190855]So it's not worth a go trying to find a non-lethal approach because it wont ensure that they will stop? Your reasoning is kind of faulty when no-one would be worse off if they did give it a go[/QUOTE]They could very easily be worse off because the moment the taser is fired, the officer is defenseless and the threat has ample opportunity to harm those around him. In other words, no, it is not worth it.
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That video is crap, no shooting at all. Just a bunch of people saying what happened, and 5 seconds of the guy hopping around with a knife.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;37190859]no one here said cops had aimbots. im pretty sure we already know how tasers worked. even if tasing wasnt a viable option, 5 shots to the stomach is a bit overkill.[/QUOTE] You don't know anything. Stop posting.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;37190770]This makes me wonder why Cops don't carry magazines full of rubber bullets.[/QUOTE] Mixing less-lethal with lethal is generally a bad idea.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;37190891]You don't know anything. Stop posting.[/QUOTE] im going to reply to your argument with a pointless and noncontributing post by insulting your intelligence
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;37190882]They could very easily be worse off because the moment the taser is fired, the officer is defenseless and the threat has ample opportunity to harm those around him. In other words, no, it is not worth it.[/QUOTE] There was 12 of them, 11 of them would have had their guns out. There was and would have been ample protection
[QUOTE=xxncxx;37190859]-snip-[/QUOTE]-snip- [QUOTE=Lonestriper;37190874]But they didn't attempt to use a taser, which might have[/QUOTE]True, but I'm not sure they'll be willing to taze a suspect who already shrugged off pain compliance; and the suspect may have been escalating in threat. And as said before, tasers aren't exactly the most reliable thing.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;37190859]no one here said cops had aimbots. im pretty sure we already know how tasers worked. even if tasing wasnt a viable option, 5 shots to the stomach is a bit overkill.[/QUOTE]Because one shot is not guaranteed to kill. They fire until they are no longer a threat in any fashion. As I have said, they are not trained to wound, but to kill.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;37190905]There was 12 of them, 11 of them would have had their guns out. There was and would have been ample protection[/QUOTE] Because that would have stopped him from gutting the cop anyway. Right?
[QUOTE=xxncxx;37190903]im going to reply to your argument with a pointless and noncontributing post by insulting your intelligence[/QUOTE] You obviously didn't read the article because the second half of your post was completely wrong and if you think three shots to the chest is "overkill" then you know nothing about firearms.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;37190905]There was 12 of them, 11 of them would have had their guns out. There was and would have been ample protection[/QUOTE]Not really, in the time they have to wait to see if the taser works, he could quite easily harm an officer or a bystander.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;37190915] True, but I'm not sure they'll be willing to taze a suspect who already shrugged off pain compliance; and the suspect may have been escalating in threat. And as said before, tasers aren't exactly the most reliable thing.[/QUOTE] I know tasers are not the most reliable thing, but the fact that they weren't considered for use in the situation strikes me as wrong.
Oh my God I was in NYC all day. How the fuck did I miss THAT.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;37190915]Reading skills help, bro. True, but I'm not sure they'll be willing to taze a suspect who already shrugged off pain compliance; and the suspect may have been escalating in threat. And as said before, tasers aren't exactly the most reliable thing.[/QUOTE] I edited my post
[QUOTE=xxncxx;37190859]no one here said cops had aimbots. im pretty sure we already know how tasers worked. even if tasing wasnt a viable option, 5 shots to the stomach is a bit overkill.[/QUOTE] It sure as hell doesn't seem like you know how tasers work. If you already knew what Bound said, you wouldn't be suggesting/supporting the use of a taser in this scenario. If they simply shot him once, they would likely be prosecuted for shooting to wound.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;37190933]I know tasers are not the most reliable thing, but the fact that they weren't considered for use in the situation strikes me as wrong.[/QUOTE] Yes, its wrong that they didnt want to risk the well beings of several innocent people to attempt to non lethally bring down a dangerous insane man who shrugs off pepper spray, with a weapon that might not work, that needs to be fired from close range, and isnt guaranteed to hit anyway. Nice logic there buddy.
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[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;37190927]Not really, in the time they have to wait to see if the taser works, he could quite easily harm an officer or a bystander.[/QUOTE] Tasers work more or less instantaneously after the barbs attach themselves, as I said, the 11 other officers would have been ready to neutralise the guy if no effect was produced and he escalated the conflict
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;37190958]Tasers work more or less instantaneously after the barbs attach themselves, as I said, the 11 other officers would have been ready to neutralise the guy if no effect was produced and he escalated the conflict[/QUOTE] Cops are not aimbots, he could probably move fast enough to slash someone before the others could react.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;37190933]I know tasers are not the most reliable thing, but the fact that they weren't considered for use in the situation strikes me as wrong.[/QUOTE]Good for you, but you're incorrect. Non-lethal is only used when the offender is not a serious threat. Someone running or just using their bare hands and such are not considered serious threats and are therefore subject to non-lethal methods. But when a weapon comes in to play, all else is discarded to insure that there is no chance that the offender can harm anyone.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;37190958]Tasers work more or less instantaneously after the barbs attach themselves, as I said, the 11 other officers would have been ready to neutralise the guy if no effect was produced and he escalated the conflict[/QUOTE] If they had a taser ready and they saw it as a valid option they would have used it. The police did not just stand around the guy in a circle for 10 minutes with their guns out staring at him and then they just decided to shoot.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;37190966]Cops are not aimbots, he could probably move fast enough to slash someone before the others could react.[/QUOTE] no one said they were for the second time. do you really think 11 cops are going to miss every single shot they take at the guy before he manages to escalate the situation?
[QUOTE=AaronM202;37190954]Yes, its wrong that they didnt want to risk the well beings of several innocent people to attempt to non lethally bring down a dangerous insane man who shrugs off pepper spray, with a weapon that might not work, that needs to be fired from close range, and isnt guaranteed to hit anyway. Nice logic there buddy.[/QUOTE] I guess the same could be said for them risking themselves to lethally take down an insane man with a weapon that might not work, needs to be fired from close range and isn't guaranteed to hit anyway. They are police officers, solving risky situations is their job
[QUOTE=xxncxx;37190699]and none of these officers had a taser?[/QUOTE] You don't use less then lethal force when someone is using deadly force.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;37190975]no one said they were for the second time. do you really think 11 cops are going to miss every single shot they take at the guy before he manages to escalate the situation?[/QUOTE] Im saying that they probably couldnt react fast enough, and aim directly at him, before he manages to hurt someone.
Facepunch when police open fire on a suspect: "OMG POLICE BRUTALITY they should have tried tazing him first!!1111111111" Facepunch when police use a taser on a suspect: "OMG POLICE BRUTALITY tazers shouldn't be used! They're dangerous!"
[QUOTE=xxncxx;37190975]no one said they were for the second time. do you really think 11 cops are going to miss every single shot they take at the guy before he manages to escalate the situation?[/QUOTE] Quite possibly.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;37190958]Tasers work more or less instantaneously after the barbs attach themselves, as I said, the 11 other officers would have been ready to neutralise the guy if no effect was produced and he escalated the conflict[/QUOTE] Waiting until the guy with the knife is rushing a cop from taser range isn't the best way to avoid friendly fire. It's an unnecessary risk.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;37190972]If they had a taser ready and they saw it as a valid option they would have used it. The police did not just stand around the guy in a circle for 10 minutes with their guns out staring at him and then they just decided to shoot.[/QUOTE] In this situation it seems just that
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