Police shoot crazy guy waving a knife in the middle of times square, all of it was caught on film
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here's your magical taser in action
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and here it is again
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY5ioBvrYIg[/media]
note how the cops are way fucking closer than 10 feet and the shit doesn't work.
If a heavy dose of pepper spray isn't gonna stop the guy I'm not surprised none of the cops tried to get close enough to get a good taser hit on the guy. Guy on angel dust swinging around a knife? Yeah, no.
i don't know why you guys even think a taser would work
it took MULTIPLE bullets to put him down and i'm pretty damn sure a normal person would take one bullet and go down on the ground
taser would have done shit and we would have a dead cop
Sometimes people keep going when they have been tasered, prongs in and everything. Guns do the trick
Besides the man was insane, he could of injured bystanders, himself or the cops, the police did the right thing to bring down the threat as safely as possible without anyone getting injured
Tasers maybe a safer, non-lethal weapon but by fuck can people easily exploit them and keep going.
I know a guy who served 2 terms as a sheriff after being a cop for 15 years. Police are trained to aim for center mass and fire multiple shots. The middle of a body is the biggest target area, and the most reliable shot. Shooting to wound is unreliable, as the target will still be armed, and if you don't somehow break his leg or arm, he'll pretty pissed off. Even if you do incapacitate him with a limb shot, it is easier to kill people than movies suggest. A leg shot could sever the femoral artery, and he'd be just as dead. The reasoning behind multiple shots is that even after being shot in the heart, you do not instantly die. It takes time, and in that time a guy could still stab you to death, not even noticing he'd been shot. I honestly don't know how people debate that.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;37190765]uhh, tasers can be used farther than 1 ft people.[/QUOTE]
So can knives.
So a guy slashing at people in public was shot to death.
And life moves on.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;37190987]Facepunch when police open fire on a suspect: "OMG POLICE BRUTALITY they should have tried tazing him first!!1111111111"
Facepunch when police use a taser on a suspect: "OMG POLICE BRUTALITY tazers shouldn't be used! They're dangerous!"[/QUOTE]
There's only one solution. Shield rush medieval style! Chaaaaaaaarge!
The way I see it is that if you're in a position where you have guns pointed at you..
You've done fucked up.
I never for my life understand why someone who has one or more cops with firearms pointed at him/her doesn't instantly surrender.
I also don't understand why people bitch when someone gets shot when the cops clearly have asked him to surrender multiple times and the guy posses a threat.
[QUOTE=Resfan;37193373]The way I see it is that if you're in a position where you have guns pointed at you..
You've done fucked up.
I never for my life understand why someone who has one or more cops with firearms pointed at him/her doesn't instantly surrender.[/QUOTE]
Suicide by cop, over inflated ego, etc.
[QUOTE=Slacker101;37190934]Oh my God I was in NYC all day. How the fuck did I miss THAT.[/QUOTE]
Same! Strange.
Also, I thought this was kind of funny:
[QUOTE]“I've been in NYC for 10 minutes and saw a man shot on 7th ave! Omg...." tweeted one.
[/QUOTE]
Imagine what they must think of New York right now.
[QUOTE=Wolfmatyr;37191749]Out of interest, where do you think "verbal takedown" is on a scale of:
Non-lethal force, less-than-lethal force, lethal force.
Edit: I mean non-lethal as in "no chance to cause physical harm to suspect"[/QUOTE]
out of interest are you stupid or just purposefully being thick and arguing a moot point by claiming that shouting at someone is equivalent to the use of non lethal [B]weapons[/B]
staring at someone menacingly is a "non lethal takedown" but you're still a moron if you say it's somehow equivalent to tasering or pepper spraying someone
Non-lethal approach suggestion:
The cops should've built a prison around him.
Can someone explain to me why they didn't just shoot him in the leg or something along those lines? Maybe I missed something in the article, or maybe I'm just stupid, but that's the only thing I don't get.
[QUOTE=Fhux;37193812]Can someone explain to me why they didn't just shoot him in the leg or something along those lines? Maybe I missed something in the article, or maybe I'm just stupid, but that's the only thing I don't get.[/QUOTE]
Police officers are not trained to aim for the leg when they pull out their gun, they are trained to incapacitate the target as efficiently as possible, which means center mass (torso) shots. Plus a shot to the leg could be just as lethal if it opens up an artery.
[QUOTE=Fhux;37193812]Can someone explain to me why they didn't just shoot him in the leg or something along those lines? Maybe I missed something in the article, or maybe I'm just stupid, but that's the only thing I don't get.[/QUOTE]
Shooting the leg can rip major blood vessels open, if you hit the bone it can splinter it which can in turn cause the previously mentioned bleeding to happen too, and the bleeding is so fast they'd be dead in a few minutes.
[QUOTE=Fhux;37193812]Can someone explain to me why they didn't just shoot him in the leg or something along those lines? Maybe I missed something in the article, or maybe I'm just stupid, but that's the only thing I don't get.[/QUOTE]
Cops aren't trained to do that and there's loads of arteries that could get hit and he'd just bleed out there and then.
He waived his right to safety once he started to wave a fucking knife around.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;37195013]In both of those videos the taser was either broken or didn't connect properly.
If a taser hits you anywhere on the body and would actually connect, there is no way you would be standing. That just isn't how it works, no matter how buff or resilient you think you are.[/QUOTE]
There's been many documented cases of people taking tasers, then getting back up and bolting head long at the firer, and that's not counting all the folk fucked out their skulls on angel dust.
He ignores orders to drop a dangerous weapon several times and then decides going towards the police while wielding said weapon is a good idea.
Yeah, try defending the guy on this one.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;37195013]In both of those videos the taser was either broken or didn't connect properly.
If a taser hits you anywhere on the body and would actually connect, there is no way you would be standing. That just isn't how it works, no matter how buff or resilient you think you are.[/QUOTE]
Tasers have 2 needle like prongs, wear some dense clothes or a decent jacket and they can't get through and are useless, not to mention if one misses it is useless as no circuit is formed, not to mention the fact if they hit too close together it is also useless as it does not interfere with the nervous system or muscles enough to disrupt movement.
Also tasers only locally affect muscle movement unless the current goes through the spine, so if you get hit with 2 on your right side you may still be able to run without many problems, aside from the area they are in feeling like it is going to explode.
Bean bag guns?
They havn't been used much at all.
[QUOTE=RaptorBlackz;37195453]Bean bag guns?
They havn't been used much at all.[/QUOTE]
Non lethal weapons don't necessarily mean incapacitating.
Going through all the effort and risk of tasing and detaining would be worthless and probably wouldn't work (read thread), the guy is probably addicted to angel dust or absolutely insane, 6 foot deep is the only place to put this guy IMO.
[QUOTE=RubberFruit;37195594]Going through all the effort and risk of tasing and detaining would be worthless and probably wouldn't work (read thread), the guy is probably addicted to angel dust or absolutely insane, 6 foot deep is the only place to put this guy IMO.[/QUOTE]
Well you'd be dumb for thinking that, why not actually help the guy out and offer him a way out of whatever addictions he has and you know, be a good human being for once instead of prescribing 9mm aspirin.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;37195633]Well you'd be dumb for thinking that, why not actually help the guy out and offer him a way out of whatever addictions he has and you know, be a good human being for once instead of prescribing 9mm aspirin.[/QUOTE]
Next time you disagree with someone, please note there is a rating for that.
Also, there's an entire thread on Mass Debate about this kind of subject.
[QUOTE=RubberFruit;37195648]Next time you disagree with someone, please note there is a rating for that.
Also, there's an entire thread on Mass Debate about this kind of subject.[/QUOTE]
That's cool and stuff but my personal opinion goes further than simple disagreement, if you are willing to put a bullet in someones head cause they have problems then guess what, you're fundamentally a bad person.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;37195769]That's cool and stuff but my personal opinion goes further than simple disagreement, if you are willing to put a bullet in someones head cause they have problems then guess what, you're fundamentally a bad person.[/QUOTE]
There is no such thing as bad, it only exists inside your head. It is a concept which has different meanings to different people, for example, I think your logic is fundamentally fucked, while you obviously have a differing opinion. My opinion is that the guy was ready to put a long bit of steel inside somebody, and giving him free hugs and fucking cuddles would not have changed the fact. Helping the guy out only works when he is receptive to the notion, but, unfortunately, it does not appear that that is the case. It is horrible that he had problems, and my sincere condolences go out to any family or friends that he had, but it was not simply a matter of "problems," it was a matter of possible death or injury to bystanders or policemen, and they did what they were trained to do, neutralize the threat with as little collateral damage as possible. It was inevitable.
[QUOTE=Pitchfork;37195994]There is no such thing as bad, it only exists inside your head. It is a concept which has different meanings to different people, for example, I think your logic is fundamentally fucked, while you obviously have a differing opinion. My opinion is that the guy was ready to put a long bit of steel inside somebody, and giving him free hugs and fucking cuddles would not have changed the fact. Helping the guy out only works when he is receptive to the notion, but, unfortunately, it does not appear that that is the case. It is horrible that he had problems, and my sincere condolences go out to any family or friends that he had, but it was not simply a matter of "problems," it was a matter of possible death or injury to bystanders or policemen, and they did what they were trained to do, neutralize the threat with as little collateral damage as possible. It was inevitable.[/QUOTE]
Yeah killing him cause he's gonna kill someone else is fine, killing him and justifying it as "he's just an addict" isn't fine.
[QUOTE=RubberFruit;37195648]Next time you disagree with someone, please note there is a rating for that.
Also, there's an entire thread on Mass Debate about this kind of subject.[/QUOTE]
" I dont like people telling me I'm wrong or pointing out flaws in my argument, please just use the rating system so i can pretend my opinion is the only one that matters"
Are you fucking kidding me? The rating system is the bane of this forum, it's a fucking circle jerk and bandwagon system
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;37190779]Tasers also aren't the most accurate weapons and they can and have caused fatal electrocutions. Point of fact, police are trained to neutralize a threat completely, and take any all all measures to protect their lives and those of bystanders. Tasers do not garuntee a threat will be neutralized, a firearm is far more likely to do so.[/QUOTE]
Are you retarded? This wasn't a split second decision taken because they had no other choice or option, they would have had loads of time to fire 20 tasers and hit or miss however much they want.
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