• Michelle Obama endorses healthier school lunches
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[QUOTE=R3mix;26680024]Do you really care that much about a piece of paper? Is a piece of paper more valuable than a human beings life? Do you realize that [b]we created[/b] that piece of paper? Without human beings, there is no moving forward. And for all you know, it takes one person to change the world and that person on the street who needs some help might be the next Einsten. You never fucking know. You're a terrible person, seriously.[/QUOTE] Do you have any idea about perception? A Tax payer who's fed up with taxes will see this school program's expansion as a waste of tax payer money while not thinking about the poor. You see me as some dumb poster who doesn't know went to quit. What I'm trying to do is look at things from a certain perspective that shows other perspectives regardless of if they reflect my views or not and the ones that don't some times get mistaken for the ones that do. You think I want people to starve? You think I want people to go without medical care? You think I want people to go without jobs? You think I want doctors to have no source of income or have to rely on getting money from the government? No, no, no, and no! And Vince323, Why not tell me what I'm suppose to be replying to instead of having me guess? Unless you like posting that picture.
[QUOTE=Glaber;26680239]Do you have any idea about perception? A Tax payer who's fed up with taxes will see this school program's expansion as a waste of tax payer money while not thinking about the poor. You see me as some dumb poster who doesn't know went to quit. What I'm trying to do is look at things from a certain perspective that shows other perspectives regardless of if they reflect my views or not and the ones that don't some times get mistaken for the ones that do. You think I want people to starve? You think I want people to go without medical care? You think I want people to go without jobs? You think I want doctors to have no source of income or have to rely on getting money from the government? No, no, no, and no! And Vince323, Why not tell me what I'm suppose to be replying to instead of having me guess? Unless you like posting that picture.[/QUOTE] If you really have to guess what you're supposed to respond to out of there, you're a little bit beyond slow. And again, you pick the one post to respond to, but miss any other ones that actually poke holes in your paper arguments. And yeah, while perception does matter, there are a lot of people who don't whine about EVERY tax dollar because they actually see their tax dollars at work. I don't know about you, but where I'm from, very few people bitch about their annual taxes because most people see their environment being affected positively by that tax money. Most people aren't fucking retarded and think that taxes are the devil and that there is nothing worse than paying taxes(Money you OWE to the country for living there and using those social services, your existence at this very moment is thanks to all of that, so you owe.), knowing this, your example is ridiculous. If people were actually EDUCATED on what taxes are, and for, and how they're used, and the US governments systems weren't so fucked up, people would gladly pay taxes compared to now.
[QUOTE=Glaber;26680239]Do you have any idea about perception? A Tax payer who's fed up with taxes will see this school program's expansion as a waste of tax payer money while not thinking about the poor. You see me as some dumb poster who doesn't know went to quit. What I'm trying to do is look at things from a certain perspective that shows other perspectives regardless of if they reflect my views or not and the ones that don't some times get mistaken for the ones that do. You think I want people to starve? You think I want people to go without medical care? You think I want people to go without jobs? You think I want doctors to have no source of income or have to rely on getting money from the government? No, no, no, and no![/QUOTE] I'm clearly well acquainted with the terminology "perception." It means to perceive something, or in other words your own point of view. Do you also realize the obesity rate in our country is getting worse? People die everyday sure, but the government is trying to do their best to prevent it from happening in the future by malnutrition which is one thing we suffer from today. Most people are way overweight, just take a look at statistics sometimes. I don't see you as a dumb poster, but rather ignorant and naive. You don't know when to stop or look at other people's perceptions while you talk about your own perception non-stop. You're close minded and fail to realize the majority. This time it's not a good thing to be on your minority side, pause and reflect on what you're saying, seriously because you're only making things worse for yourself. We don't like your views, we've already established this several times.
[QUOTE=Glaber;26680239]Do you have any idea about perception? [/QUOTE] I understand perception. I'm just saying fuck that; human lives are more important than taxes.
[QUOTE=Habsburg;26680500]I understand perception. I'm just saying fuck that; human lives are more important than taxes.[/QUOTE] Seeing as all tax payers are people, it's not inconceivable that most people realize this too.
obammer where ist he birth certifcate??..
[QUOTE=JLea;26680621]obammer where ist he birth certifcate??..[/QUOTE] He duct taped it to the back of his head.
How can any Fper think this is a stupid idea? They're still in school anyways.
The only thing i don't like is what they are trying to pass now. They're trying to pass laws which limit what a child can bring to school, i know a few states have already banned things like cupcakes from being allowed in school period.
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;26680827]How can any Fper think this is a stupid idea? They're still in school anyways.[/QUOTE] There's a lot of FPers not in high school. [editline]13th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=mysteryman;26680864]The only thing i don't like is what they are trying to pass now. They're trying to pass laws which limit what a child can bring to school, i know a few states have already banned things like cupcakes from being allowed in school period.[/QUOTE] Now that really is stupid. If the kid is being given obviously bad food, the teachers should have a talk with the parent, but they can't really limit that like that. Though, they do get away with saying you can't have cell phones on some schools, so, there's some precedent here.
Good, the public school food is completely unhealthy preprocessed shit.
School Food is already shit It can't get shittier than this.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;26680212]He's been pretty reliably responding to my posts, actually. Poorly responding, but still. Guess he has nothing to say about how starving is better than being dependent on the government.[/QUOTE] Neither is preferable. Over reliance on the government is bad because the Government can promise the moon and deliver only a speck of Lice. If you look at Russia today, the people there became overdependent on their government for practically everything, and now the people there, not every one mind you but still a sizable chunk, are miserable and are worse off than before the collapse of the U.S.S.R. The European Union right now is trying to save itself from collapse as they deal with their member countries running out of money. The people that have rioted so far, at least to my interpolation, have been relying on government for so much they believe it to be a right to have nearly every thing handed to them. Cheep Education, Free Health care, and I think looooong vacations. I need to double check that last one. But Start increasing tuition to United States levels and the people start rioting. Now Starving, the only way to starve is to not get food. And there are plenty of charities out there that help the poor with things like food and clothing. The Salvation Army is one of these charities too. Matter of fact My mom even takes part in the local branch of a Charity called "Warm Up America" at the church I go to, which provides homemade blankets to the needy. Starving can be alleviated every so often, but if the Government you rely on for everything stretches itself too thin or too far and collapses, then you can wind up finding your self among the starving and needy. Or if you were that already and relied on the government for everything, then you're going to find yourself cut off from what help the government provided you. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;26680330]And yeah, while perception does matter, there are a lot of people who don't whine about EVERY tax dollar because they actually see their tax dollars at work. I don't know about you, but where I'm from, very few people bitch about their annual taxes because most people see their environment being affected positively by that tax money. Most people aren't fucking retarded and think that taxes are the devil and that there is nothing worse than paying taxes(Money you OWE to the country for living there and using those social services, your existence at this very moment is thanks to all of that, so you owe.), knowing this, your example is ridiculous. If people were actually EDUCATED on what taxes are, and for, and how they're used, and the US governments systems weren't so fucked up, people would gladly pay taxes compared to now.[/QUOTE] Hey, I don't deny that we have to pay taxes, we ALL have to, even those who cheat on them. (Ex: Tim Geithner before getting caught.) We don't have to like doing it though. There are areas in the country where people can and can't see their tax dollars at work. Pontiac is becoming one of those places where you can't. Businesses moved out, the Pontiac Mall (More recently known as Summit Place Mall) died, and even "Arts Beats and Eats" left. For the Longest time, it seemed like a certain road near the rail road that lead into Pontiac wasn't going to get repaired. All these negative actions and inactions create the perspective that the tax dollars are not at work. And yes, this is a personal example. Oh, and you may want to check a few of your posts. I actually found either parts or whole posts agreeable with. For example the one I was replying to, I agree with people being educated on what taxes are, for, and how they're used. But the US Government also needs to take that lesson less it spend on something frivolous like a bridge to an Island little to no one visits (Bridge to Nowhere?)
[QUOTE=Glaber;26681234]Neither is preferable. Over reliance on the government is bad because the Government can promise the moon and deliver only a speck of Lice. If you look at Russia today, the people there became overdependent on their government for practically everything, and now the people there, not every one mind you but still a sizable chunk, are miserable and are worse off than before the collapse of the U.S.S.R. The European Union right now is trying to save itself from collapse as they deal with their member countries running out of money. The people that have rioted so far, at least to my interpolation, have been relying on government for so much they believe it to be a right to have nearly every thing handed to them. Cheep Education, Free Health care, and I think looooong vacations. I need to double check that last one. But Start increasing tuition to United States levels and the people start rioting. Now Starving, the only way to starve is to not get food. And there are plenty of charities out there that help the poor with things like food and clothing. The Salvation Army is one of these charities too. Matter of fact My mom even takes part in the local branch of a Charity called "Warm Up America" at the church I go to, which provides homemade blankets to the needy. Starving can be alleviated every so often, but if the Government you rely on for everything stretches itself too thin or too far and collapses, then you can wind up finding your self among the starving and needy. Or if you were that already and relied on the government for everything, then you're going to find yourself cut off from what help the government provided you. [/QUOTE] Except in this case, if the program works out, the government can promise something and deliver something. It's a short term purely beneficial dependence. I don't understand where the link between short term and permanent, over arching dependence comes from. I depend on my parents for some things, but I don't and won't depend on them for everything for a long time. It would be the same with governmental assistance. If i'm provided food, that's great, that doesn't mean i'm going to be depending on the government to provide me with every other possible asset as well. And what happened in Russia is totally irrelevant to this, it went through major changes and economic upheavals and it still faces a large amount of corruption. As with the European countries, i'm not aware of rioting over such things in more heavily socialistic countries, such as the Scandinavian ones. I mainly see it in the UK and France, and so far as France goes, honestly rioting is a national past time there. We've gone over private charities, and how it's good but not good enough. Yes there are obviously resources out there, but the fact that many children still go hungry show they're not enough to cover the entire problem. There's a place for them but it's as supplement to a more robust system.
[QUOTE=XxXKillErXxxX^2;26677325]it's just that lingering idea that food multinationals will own copyright on natural matter that they can use to charge people billions of dollars with. but it's probably nothing. We should just carry on. :)[/QUOTE] No, it's the fact that leading GM Food leaders (i.e. Monsanto) don't thoroughly check their product before distributing it. There could be mutations in the GM food that can cause health problems for the consumer. Not to mention that GM crops are [i]supposed[/i] to be sterile so they can't spread naturally, but they aren't and do anyway and Monsanto at least is suing a bunch of small time farmers in South America because they have 'Their Property' because their GM foods are propagating themselves. [editline]13th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Jiyoon;26677298]All food is organic really, organic just means it used to or is alive. We cant get anything out of things that aren't organic[/QUOTE] No, organic means it's grown or produced naturally without chemicals, additives, hormone treatments, etc. That means no pesticides, no fertilizer (except things like manure), no hormone treatment for the animals, etc.
i dont mind if kids had healthier school lunches it already was like two, three week old burgers it can only get better
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;26681445]Except in this case, if the program works out, the government can promise something and deliver something. It's a short term purely beneficial dependence. I don't understand where the link between short term and permanent, over arching dependence comes from. I depend on my parents for some things, but I don't and won't depend on them for everything for a long time. It would be the same with governmental assistance. If i'm provided food, that's great, that doesn't mean i'm going to be depending on the government to provide me with every other possible asset as well. And what happened in Russia is totally irrelevant to this, it went through major changes and economic upheavals and it still faces a large amount of corruption. As with the European countries, i'm not aware of rioting over such things in more heavily socialistic countries, such as the Scandinavian ones. I mainly see it in the UK and France, and so far as France goes, honestly rioting is a national past time there. We've gone over private charities, and how it's good but not good enough. Yes there are obviously resources out there, but the fact that many children still go hungry show they're not enough to cover the entire problem. There's a place for them but it's as supplement to a more robust system.[/QUOTE] It's expected that with parents, they eventually kick you out of the house or you move out first and have learned to be self reliant. With the government, there is no predefined expectation on when the cut off is. Unemployment use to be temporary, but with all these extensions, why stop depending on the government? (the latest extension has yet to go through though and is attached to the bill to extend the Bush era tax rates)
[QUOTE=Explosions;26679449]What I'm most concerned about is why the majority of you jumped to insulting Glaber for no reason whatsoever, even though he is probably the most level headed and intelligent conservative poster on Facepunch. I don't care that you disagree with him, I do as well. But why does everyone instantly insult people just because they disagree with their point of view?[/QUOTE] lol good one
[QUOTE=Glaber;26682427]It's expected that with parents, they eventually kick you out of the house or you move out first and have learned to be self reliant. With the government, there is no predefined expectation on when the cut off is. Unemployment use to be temporary, but with all these extensions, why stop depending on the government? (the latest extension has yet to go through though and is attached to the bill to extend the Bush era tax rates)[/QUOTE] Hello strictly western minded individual, you are the only type of person on earth.
[QUOTE=Glaber;26682427]It's expected that with parents, they eventually kick you out of the house or you move out first and have learned to be self reliant. With the government, there is no predefined expectation on when the cut off is. Unemployment use to be temporary, but with all these extensions, why stop depending on the government? (the latest extension has yet to go through though and is attached to the bill to extend the Bush era tax rates)[/QUOTE] I'd be willing to wager that free lunches for school kids end when they graduate/drop out of school. :downs:
[QUOTE=Glaber;26682427]It's expected that with parents, they eventually kick you out of the house or you move out first and have learned to be self reliant. With the government, there is no predefined expectation on when the cut off is. Unemployment use to be temporary, but with all these extensions, why stop depending on the government? (the latest extension has yet to go through though and is attached to the bill to extend the Bush era tax rates)[/QUOTE] You're really selfish, you know that?
But I love my greasy Pizza and my greasy hamburger and my reheated everything.. Oh wait.. No I don't. I don't care if they want to start selling healthier food, but I probably won't buy it nor will anyone else unless it tastes good.
[QUOTE=Glaber;26679970]From the point of view of the poor, it is. But from the point of view of the tax payer, it's not.[/QUOTE] [B]THAT'S BECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS [I]MEANT[/I] FOR THE POOR [/B]:ramsay:
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;26682494]Hello strictly western minded individual, you are the only type of person on earth.[/QUOTE] I'm a western world person, what did you expect? European views?
They already have this program in Canada... In my opinion this is late.
[QUOTE=Glaber;26682624]I'm a western world person, what did you expect? European views?[/QUOTE] broski, Europe is considered to be part of the West.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;26682740]broski, Europe is considered to be part of the West.[/QUOTE] good point. But still I hold the views of the Country I was born and raised in, and That country is the USA.
[QUOTE=Glaber;26682841]good point. But still I hold the views of the Country I was born and raised in, and That country is the USA.[/QUOTE] Are you saying that the USA is a monolithic bloc that all holds the same views?
[QUOTE=Glaber;26682841]good point. But still I hold the views of the Country I was born and raised in, and That country is the USA.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.thelmagazine.com/images/blogimages/2009/10/27/1256661570-crying_eagle.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=The Vman;26682892][img_thumb]http://www.thelmagazine.com/images/blogimages/2009/10/27/1256661570-crying_eagle.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] All it needs is to be airbrushed onto a $10 T-shirt and sold at Wal-Mart.
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