University leaders outraged after vulgar signs greet incoming freshmen
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[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48533036]I don't think the signs counts as a sexual asault[/QUOTE]
It seems kinda bizarre that this needs to be said.
Edit: not saying that I don't think this is stupid behaviour by the way.
fucking automerge fail
[editline]24th August 2015[/editline]
wow again
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48533036]I don't think the signs counts as a sexual asault[/QUOTE]
No, but they're definitely sexual harassment.
There's no doubt the signs are illegal and will be removed but honestly the people who put them up won't face more than a fine
If the WBC can picket funerals and not get arrested, the people in those houses aren't either
I think this is just part of what will become a discussion much later on about college culture: the culture of sending everyone to college, of the sports teams, of the fraternities, of the alumni organizations. People talk about their colleges like they're a football team, and not a place where they go to get an education. I can't count the number of times people talked about the "college experience" when I was in highschool. All the 80s movies about college life, frats, parties, etc. are, I think, a bad thing. I think college needs to become more focused on education rather than the student life there. I think this not because of a supposed "rape culture", but because if you lose sight of the goal of college (jobs), then you will end up regretting living like van wilder for 5-6 years when it turns out your business or marketing degree is useless and you should have spent that time studying instead of drinking and partying.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;48533073]I think this is just part of what will become a discussion much later on about college culture: the culture of sending everyone to college, of the sports teams, of the fraternities, of the alumni organizations. People talk about their colleges like they're a football team, and not a place where they go to get an education. I can't count the number of times people talked about the "college experience" when I was in highschool. All the 80s movies about college life, frats, parties, etc. are, I think, a bad thing. I think college needs to become more focused on education rather than the student life there. I think this not because of a supposed "rape culture", but because if you lose sight of the goal of college (jobs), then you will end up regretting living like van wilder for 5-6 years when it turns out your business or marketing degree is useless and you should have spent that time studying instead of drinking and partying.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this sentiment, the other night I went to a party with one of my suite mates who is a party animal and it was fucking wild. I did talk to a few chill people but they were mostly not blazed or drunk out of their minds like most of the people at the party. And when my suite mate talked about it he said "comeon, it's college" and I thought "but this isn't what it's about right?"
[QUOTE=Sonador;48533070]There's no doubt the signs are illegal and will be removed but honestly the people who put them up won't face more than a fine
If the WBC can picket funerals and not get arrested, the people in those houses aren't either[/QUOTE]
If it's on private property, they are not illegal in any way.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;48533137]If it's on private property, they are not illegal in any way.[/QUOTE]
Incorrect. Maintaining a property visible to the public that can be considered blight (lowering the value of properties around you or otherwise being generally noxious) is against the municipal code, at least where I live and in most established metropolitan areas that I'm aware of. This means code enforcement can come take your signs down, fine you, and in some cases petition for eviction, depending on the severity.
I've seen it happen, there was a mentally disturbed man who'd owned his home for about 40 years and painted a bunch of vulgar speech, religious quotes, and paranoid ramblings all over his walls across from a place where I worked, and the state came out to paint it over. He came out and assaulted one of the painters, got arrested, and shortly his house was forfeited to the state when he was committed to a mental health facility.
It has to do with expectation of privacy, it's the same reason you can't stand in your front yard with your dong hanging out and waving at cars, even though that slice of land belongs to you. If this were a barn in the woods at the end of a half mile driveway, sure, but if your property is visible from the street, you're more or less "in public" and as such have no reasonable expectation of privacy and should reasonably believe you'd be expected to maintain it as such.
In this case it's pretty reasonable to believe they were aware the public could see it as well, so all of those "muh property" arguments are out the window.
[QUOTE=download;48532895]This really isn't as bad as they made it out to be.
Sure, probably not the most appropriate thing to do but it's not suggesting anything illegal.[/QUOTE]
The question should not be whether it is illegal or legal.
It's fucked up. This has been known to happen to a much lesser extent at other colleges around the country and it is very clearly capable of making freshmen women extremely uncomfortable.
This combined with every other stereotype (known behavior) of frat guys makes many colleges very hostile and uncomfortable places for women students.
[editline]24th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;48533003]a complete scapegoat
as if people outside frats are one iota different
as if people wouldn't do the same exact shit without frats[/QUOTE]
it's true not frat guys are known to pull this kind of bullshit too, but there have been studies (not to mention personal experience) that show that very awful men are more likely to join frats, or, alternatively, that there is something about frat culture that turns normal men into shitty men
[QUOTE=Sonador;48533180]Incorrect. Maintaining a property visible to the public that can be considered blight (lowering the value of properties around you or otherwise being generally noxious) is against the municipal code, at least where I live and in most established metropolitan areas that I'm aware of. This means code enforcement can come take your signs down, fine you, and in some cases petition for eviction, depending on the severity.
I've seen it happen, there was a mentally disturbed man who'd owned his home for about 40 years and painted a bunch of vulgar speech, religious quotes, and paranoid ramblings all over his walls across from a place where I worked, and the state came out to paint it over. He came out and assaulted one of the painters, got arrested, and shortly his house was forfeited to the state when he was committed to a mental health facility.
It has to do with expectation of privacy, it's the same reason you can't stand in your front yard with your dong hanging out and waving at cars, even though that slice of land belongs to you. If this were a barn in the woods at the end of a half mile driveway, sure, but if your property is visible from the street, you're more or less "in public" and as such have no reasonable expectation of privacy and should reasonably believe you'd be expected to maintain it as such.
In this case it's pretty reasonable to believe they were aware the public could see it as well, so all of those "muh property" arguments are out the window.[/QUOTE]
No, it's not. Blight laws don't apply to temporary signs like this. If they did, you wouldn't be able to put up political signs people deemed "offensive". A temporary sign does not diminish property value. Permanently painting something on your property does.
Also, you have no idea if there are blight laws in this area or not, so your anecdotal evidence is null and void.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;48533277]No, it's not. Blight laws don't apply to temporary signs like this. If they did, you wouldn't be able to put up political signs people deemed "offensive". A temporary sign does not diminish property value. Permanently painting something on your property does.
Also, you have no idea if there are blight laws in this area or not, so your anecdotal evidence is null and void.[/QUOTE]
I get you're really mad at me for some reason, but yes, temporary signs do count if they are not removed, and you'll note I actually said in my post that I know it doesn't apply everywhere, only in most cases that I'm aware of.
Political signs aren't reasonably offensive, ones with sexually harassing messages are. I can't just hang a sign from my balcony facing main street that says "I'll have sex with your wife," holy shit.
I don't think legality has any question in this discussion. i think the discussion is whether or not the university has grounds to take action [i]privately[/i] (the house is off-campus) and also about frat culture in general and the problems associated with it
[QUOTE=Sonador;48533290]I get you're really mad at me for some reason, but yes, temporary signs do count if they are not removed, and you'll note I actually said in my post that I know it doesn't apply everywhere, only in most cases that I'm aware of.
Political signs aren't reasonably offensive, ones with sexually harassing messages are. I can't just hang a sign from my balcony facing main street that says "I'll have sex with your wife," holy shit.[/QUOTE]
I'm not mad at you at all (honestly) lol. I never intended to come off that way, and if I did, I apologize.
But the key thing here is there is a difference between a blight and a shitty neighbor. Both will devalue your property, but blight laws are really not applicable here if the place is otherwise maintained, and the sign comes down after a while. If the signs were to stay up, and the place was let go to shit, then yes, you would be correct. But those laws don't apply to this. The intent of blight laws is to force property owners to take care of their property, not to ensure they don't do stupid things necessarily.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;48532925]I think those students who considered going away are set to fail in life. The messages are not even remotely supported by the institution and in the real world you're forced to work with people you don't like all the damn time. If they can't adjust to realities like this and turn away whenever they get the least bit offended then I'm not sure what they can do in the workplace.[/QUOTE]
If you did this in a workplace you'd probably get fired for being a creepy fuck AKA sexual harassment
So, you know, maybe it's them who should stop being creepy assholes and at least try to act like normal people
There is no information at all in the source. If its people living off campus in a non-campus house, then there is nothing the university can do realistically. They can try the student code violation... but I doubt it
[QUOTE=BFG9000;48532943]Yes but this isn't a cubicle in a business building, it says in the article that it was in a house near campus but isn't actually owned by the college.[/QUOTE]
You're the one who came up with the "business, workplace, real life" analogy, though
Can you guys stop with the "PC GONE MAD!!!!1" bullshit already
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Thank you for ruining everything Code3Response :disgust:
Oh hey, it's my university.
We get warning emails like every other week because people get mugged pretty often.
What's with certain universities doing shit like this? My university has a reputation for everyone fucking everyone and I can't imagine someone here pulling something like this or any of the rapey shit we've been seeing coming out of universities in the past little while, not even the frat guys.
Putting up a sign is sexual harassment
What a world
[QUOTE=Scot;48533498]Putting up a sign is sexual harassment
What a world[/QUOTE]
you don't even have to call it sexual
it's harassment and it gives the college a bad reputation
which is what it deserves but that's beside the point
[QUOTE=Scot;48533498]Putting up a sign is sexual harassment
What a world[/QUOTE]
Dropping a post like this doesn't do much other than annoy people, what exactly do you mean?
Does it have to be physical according to you?
all the people crying "PC!" have apparently never gone to any school in their lives. open and public displays of sexuality are always against the rules, for obvious reasons. you're obviously not going to get away with portraying your school in a negative light and potentially tarnishing its reputation.
I don't know what logical reason you could possibly have for allowing your students to create an atmosphere that basically suggests that female students are sexual prey for pathetic frat boys.
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48533440]You're the one who came up with the "business, workplace, real life" analogy, though
Can you guys stop with the "PC GONE MAD!!!!1" bullshit already
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Thank you for ruining everything Code3Response :disgust:[/QUOTE]
It's not bullshit though. When I say you have to work with people you fucking hate, this doesn't always mean inside the workplace, it can be customers or clients.
And really this is addressing the broader spectrum of potentially inflammatory comments, not just outright "GIRLS ARE FOR HAVING SEX YO" like what happened here. It can be as simple as just an offhand sexist comment and if you've seen the internet lately you'll know that there are people out there who will overreact to something like this.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;48533741]It's not bullshit though. When I say you have to work with people you fucking hate, this doesn't always mean inside the workplace, it can be customers or clients.
And really this is addressing the broader spectrum of potentially inflammatory comments, not just outright "GIRLS ARE FOR HAVING SEX YO" like what happened here. It can be as simple as just an offhand sexist comment and if you've seen the internet lately you'll know that there are people out there who will overreact to something like this.[/QUOTE]
You can also tell your customers or clients to fuck off if they're being legitimately abusive, though?
My point is that disliking their kind of behaviour isn't exactly new, and this whole "Grrr SJWs... GRRR PC... GRR ASDESF" shit that keeps coming up as soon as someone is offended by something most people get or should get offended by is pretty stupid
[QUOTE=BFG9000;48533741]It's not bullshit though. When I say you have to work with people you fucking hate, this doesn't always mean inside the workplace, it can be customers or clients.
And really this is addressing the broader spectrum of potentially inflammatory comments, not just outright "GIRLS ARE FOR HAVING SEX YO" like what happened here. It can be as simple as just an offhand sexist comment and if you've seen the internet lately you'll know that there are people out there who will overreact to something like this.[/QUOTE]
If I put a sign in front of your business that said "Free sex if your hot" that would be pretty damaging to your businesses image to anyone who saw the sign.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;48533955]If I put a sign in front of your business that said "Free sex if your hot" that would be pretty damaging to your businesses image to anyone who saw the sign.[/QUOTE]
The college doesn't own the properties in question though
[QUOTE=BFG9000;48532925]I think those students who considered going away are set to fail in life. The messages are not even remotely supported by the institution and in the real world you're forced to work with people you don't like all the damn time. If they can't adjust to realities like this and turn away whenever they get the least bit offended then I'm not sure what they can do in the workplace.[/QUOTE]
No, I think those students who are going away just want a sense of fucking civility, but nope! Just because it's a lewd joke means it's instantly awesome and okay to post it anywhere and everywhere...
The PC Overreaction is bullshit and we definitely should stop it because it's going to end up censoring everything, but attacking this is just bullshit because I don't think they are doing this out of Political Correctness, raather just a common sense of fucking decency.
[editline]24th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Scot;48533498]Putting up a sign is sexual harassment
What a world[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and going up to someone and saying "Fuck you" is also harassment.
It doesn't matter how it's delivered, just the message it delivered and fact that it was intended and aimed at an idividual or a group of people...
The fraternity in question is under the control of the school and the larger frat organization that it is a chapter of. It wouldn't surprise me if the larger organization did something about this because it can severely hurt their reputation.
[QUOTE=Scot;48533498]Putting up a sign is sexual harassment
What a world[/QUOTE]
Well somehow some signs in the subways of Sweden that pointed out criminal activity is harassment, we should ban signs
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