Yet another girl lies about her age on a dating app to another teenager, other teen gets placed on s
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Poor fucking kid. I hope it'll turn out well for him... God how fucking soul crushing.
[QUOTE=Kylel999;48373082]This judge is clearly biased and needs to be thrown the fuck off this case[/QUOTE]
He should be relieved of his position really.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;48372817]Serves him right, shouldn't have touched her before marriage.[/QUOTE]
Not everyone believes in that
This is definitely a problem but you can't just say "well she lied so he should be in the clear". Most people underage are very clearly so, and it can't start to become an excuse for child abuse if they "said they were legal". It's even more concerning that people have the frankly dumb as nails opinion that she should be punished for it, that would open up the possibility for people to get off free for child abuse and have the victim arrested for it, like are you actually serious?
I don't think the girl needs to be punished but I don't think that boy should be in trouble whatsoever. Give them both a slap on the wrist and a warning.
fuck this judge, man
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;48373128]He should be relieved of his position really.[/QUOTE]
Definitely. He sounds like an overentitled grumpy old man who forgot his place.
[QUOTE=Elspin;48373158]This is definitely a problem but you can't just say "well she lied so he should be in the clear". Most people underage are very clearly so, and it can't start to become an excuse for child abuse if they "said they were legal". It's even more concerning that people have the frankly dumb as nails opinion that she should be punished for it, that would open up the possibility for people to get off free for child abuse and have the victim arrested for it, like are you actually serious?[/QUOTE]
Except no crime would have been committed if she would have told the fucking truth.
[QUOTE=ryokenshin;48373233]Except no crime would have been committed if she would have told the fucking truth.[/QUOTE]
what's with this vengeful attitude to commit [I]another[/I] travesty of the justice system purely because the boy is being mistreated? what is your [I]point[/I], why should she have any serious legal life-ruining consequences as opposed to some counselling to prevent her from making poor sexual choices in the future?
you didn't even respond to the part about having the foresight to see how such a precedent would be used to twist the justice system against actual rape victims
how about cooling down and THINKING before you raise the pitch forks?
[QUOTE=Elspin;48373158]This is definitely a problem but you can't just say "well she lied so he should be in the clear". Most people underage are very clearly so, and it can't start to become an excuse for child abuse if they "said they were legal". It's even more concerning that people have the frankly dumb as nails opinion that she should be punished for it, that would open up the possibility for people to get off free for child abuse and have the victim arrested for it, like are you actually serious?[/QUOTE]
You have a good point but (not justifying anything here) we have to remember a lot of girls definitely don't look their age, especially when they're busy caking themselves in makeup.
Your point is actually excellent except for the fact that, in this case, the girl admitted she lied, wrote an apology letter and her and the mother aren't pressing charges
[QUOTE=bitches;48373288]what's with this vengeful attitude to commit [I]another[/I] travesty of the justice system purely[B] because the boy is being mistreated[/B]? what is your [I]point[/I], why should she have any serious legal life-ruining consequences as opposed to some counselling to prevent her from making poor sexual choices in the future?
you didn't even respond to the part about having the foresight to see how such a precedent would be used to twist the justice system against actual rape victims
how about cooling down and THINKING before you raise the pitch forks?[/QUOTE]
the boy isn't being mistreated, he's having his life and future ruined because of this bullshit
[QUOTE=joshuadim;48373324]the boy isn't being mistreated, he's having his life and future ruined because of this bullshit[/QUOTE]
no shit
don't get semantical about it; use some common sense and take my words for the intended meaning before thinking you're being witty and that somehow you're above considering a reasonable argument
[QUOTE=bitches;48373288]what's with this vengeful attitude to commit [I]another[/I] travesty of the justice system purely because the boy is being mistreated? what is your [I]point[/I], why should she have any serious legal life-ruining consequences as opposed to some counselling to prevent her from making poor sexual choices in the future?
you didn't even respond to the part about having the foresight to see how such a precedent would be used to twist the justice system against actual rape victims
how about cooling down and THINKING before you raise the pitch forks?[/QUOTE]
Holy fucking shit. No one is saying she should have life-ruining consequences. She's free when she's the one in the wrong and he's having his life ruined because the judge is a nutjob.
[QUOTE=bitches;48373343]no shit
don't get semantical about it; use some common sense and take my words for the intended meaning before thinking you're being witty and that somehow you're above considering a reasonable argument[/QUOTE]
you're weirdly emotional about this. take a deep breath mang.
[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;48373050]I thought you can appeal for another judge, if you feel this one is unfair.[/QUOTE]
Judges have to recuse themselves or be shown to actually be breaking the law in their practices of a case.
this whole system is MESSED up.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;48373364]Holy fucking shit. No one is saying she should have life-ruining consequences. She's free when she's the one in the wrong and he's having his life ruined because the judge is a nutjob.[/QUOTE]
Not so. OP in particular has a history of following threads like these repeatedly going on about how girls in these cases deserve to get locked up. Note how he doesn't even understand what perjury is, and throws the term around as a reason for her to be legally punished.
[QUOTE=fudge blood;48373376]you're weirdly emotional about this. take a deep breath mang.[/QUOTE]
I don't mean to be. It's inexcusable when people take one tragedy and pick the easiest yet incorrect target to hunt for it, which always accompanies responses that completely ignore the rational argument, such as the quoted.
I wonder how many lives the sex offenders registry has ruined as opposed to having saved.
I'm surprised the sex offender thing is so black and white too, like the bit about him not being able to live at home anymore, as if anyone actually believes this means he's gonna go and try to molest his brother now.
Get that fucking judge out of there too before he attempts to convict someone of adultery.
[QUOTE=bitches;48373414]Not so. OP in particular has a history of following threads like these repeatedly going on about how girls in these cases deserve to get locked up. Note how he doesn't even understand what perjury is, and throws the term around as a reason for her to be legally punished.[/QUOTE]
If they start doing this knowling they should get locked up.
It really is tricky.
People were responding similarly to the story of a 12-year-old girl lying and pairing-up with a 24- and 26-year-old, and I didn't understand the purpose for their arguing at all.
But this is a case where the discussion is both appropriate and called-for. In an ideal world, both would get a slap on the wrist for it, but as bitches said, it would set a very dangerous precedent.
Keep in mind, sexual abuse often involves manipulation and grooming. A 13-year-old could easily be manipulated into saying whatever possible to get their abuser off the hook, and be groomed into thinking the abuse is acceptable and consensual. It's similar to how abused spouses often won't press charges against their abusive partners. It's complex, and I certainly don't know how to solve it.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;48373566]If they start doing this knowling they should get locked up.[/QUOTE]
and we go back to
[QUOTE=Elspin;48373158]This is definitely a problem but you can't just say "well she lied so he should be in the clear". Most people underage are very clearly so, and it can't start to become an excuse for child abuse if they "said they were legal". It's even more concerning that people have the frankly dumb as nails opinion that she should be punished for it, that would open up the possibility for people to get off free for child abuse and have the victim arrested for it, like are you actually serious?[/QUOTE]
what the shit guys
[editline]4th August 2015[/editline]
people say a lot of stupid shit when these threads come up and it still surprises me for some reason
[QUOTE=bitches;48373414]Not so. OP in particular has a history of following threads like these repeatedly going on about how girls in these cases deserve to get locked up. Note how he doesn't even understand what perjury is, and throws the term around as a reason for her to be legally punished.
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I'm not disagreeing with you at all. But the girl does deserve a form of punishment. I think this could've just been served just as community service. Her name wont go on the record and all over the media outlets. But this young mans name is.
The only people that should be held at large here is this towns justice system. As it has shown itself to not only be little too much to the fact. Disregarding all evidence that this kid acted out in a way that is considered natural to do, and fell victim to the trick of misinformation.
The judge has shown himself to be biased, confused, and a bit too past his time to make a fair and righteous ruling. He has ruined a kids life by thinking that this way of life, this progression of technology into our lives is unnatural by his means. Even though the girl has lied, and it has been proven that she lied about her age and played this boy as a fool.
Its a travesty of the justice system that the state didn't simply drop this because well, at first it seemed like they had a pretty solid case here. 19 year old sleeps with a 14 year old, we're going full speed. And when evidence and even the suspect has came forward to NOT press charges, and asking for lienency by their own guardian, they still went balls to the wall. Probably to make themselves seem less like an ass. The district attorney should've dropped the case. This boy was not her father, or uncle, or teacher or some of authority in her life. But an uninformed male on a dating site that is ONLY available for people over the age of 18.
Its a shame we're all here now, talking about something that simply shouldn't even exist.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;48373324]the boy isn't being mistreated, he's having his life and future ruined because of this bullshit[/QUOTE]
Theyre driving what could be a bright and constructive member of society into the ground. If they break him just hard enough, he will still be scarred by this experience and all the media coverage is one sure way to get his name out there.
Even though he is 100% not guilty, he is going to face this problem his entire life. For something that shouldnt even exist.
[QUOTE]In fact, Judge Dennis Wiley, who sentenced Zach, said he was angry that Zach had used the Internet to meet a girl.
"That seems to be part of our culture now," he said, according to a transcript. "Meet, have sex, hook up, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this whatsoever,".[/QUOTE]
Wow this judge sounds like a fucking asshole.
"i don't like internet dating so i'm going to ruin this guy's life because he does it"
Even the girl is feeling like shit about this.
Throw this judge out jesus, that's not enough though, the law is also fucked up because it allows the judge to do this in the first place.
[QUOTE=YouWithTheFace.;48373626]and we go back to
what the shit guys
[editline]4th August 2015[/editline]
people say a lot of stupid shit when these threads come up and it still surprises me for some reason[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying the guy should get free. But I'm not going to neglect the fact that she lied about her age to have sex.
[QUOTE=BlueChihuahua;48373603]A 13-year-old could easily be manipulated into saying whatever possible to get their abuser off the hook, and be groomed into thinking the abuse is acceptable and consensual. It's similar to how abused spouses often won't press charges against their abusive partners. It's complex, and I certainly don't know how to solve it.[/QUOTE]
Uh how about laws that actually try to meet what's appropriate for the case. Don't know about you but I think the bare minimum of investigation would have revealed that he hadn't brainwashed this girl and isn't at risk of raping his little brother.
[QUOTE=Splarg!;48373731]Uh how about laws that actually try to meet what's appropriate for the case. Don't know about you but I think the bare minimum of investigation would have revealed that he hadn't brainwashed this girl and isn't at risk of raping his little brother.[/QUOTE]
So an investigation into online activity and if others can recall the two having spent time together aside from the incident? That seems fair enough. It's on a state-by-state basis how Romeo-&-Juliet laws are set up, so a dating situation would be more difficult to judge on a moral-level.
And at what age for the minor is an excuse no longer at all appropriate? Most would say the "they lied about their age" excuse wouldn't apply to an 11-year-old. There would have to be a concrete cut-off.
There's also the question of how well a person covers their steps, but that applies to every crime.
I guess I'm comparing it in my mind to the broken system of prosecuting abuse in adult relationships, where all that's needed is a denial or dropped-charge. But then it could be said that that situation also needs improvement and an investigation.
But there is the problem of "they lied about their age" becoming a get-out-of-jail-free card in situations where it is just a fling between an adult and a minor while the adult is completely aware it's a 14-year-old they're hooking up with. It almost becomes an argument over what the age of consent should be, if the age of the adult is greatly different than the minor's. I don't think the age of consent should be any lower than 16 myself, as any younger does seem very prone to manipulation.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;48373566]If they start doing this knowling they should get locked up.[/QUOTE]
Wow, and you JUST said she shouldn't have life ruining consequences. You don't seem to understand the conflict here.
She didn't [I]knowingly try to get someone convicted of a crime they didn't intend[/I]
She was a sexually irresponsible [I]teenager[/I] making a choice she fully believed would not be harmful to anyone involved, not having the knowledge of our justice system to anticipate this trainwreck.
She needs advising, not some wackos from across the world clamouring to lock her up and throw away the key.
Cant be trusting these hoes
The girl didn't commit a crime - lying about your age in and of itself is perfectly legal, even when it begets an absurd miscarriage of justice like this, and I really don't think she deserves punishment. Talking to, definitely, but nothing more than that. The dating app should also be spoken to about their age checks, but I think the U.S. is perfectly content to have one of those 'I confirm I'm 18 or over' buttons and call it quits.
The judg,pe, meanwhile, is an arse of the highest order.
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