I know that this is all serious shit and that it's an actual issue, but I can't help but laugh when I hear the word "privilege" now
I also find it funny how these leftist types go on to say how the concept of race does not exist, and that we're all the same. Then they go on to tell us all about white privilege and how all whites ought to be blamed for all of these terrible things that have happened to other peoples. It's such a contradiction! Why can't they blame the systems that were put in place to allow the exploitation of peoples and the people who put those systems in place? You know... the people commonly referred to as society's elite.
[QUOTE=seano12;44465511]I also find it funny how these leftist types go on to say how the concept of race does not exist, and that we're all the same. Then they go on to tell us all about white privilege and how all whites ought to be blamed for all of these terrible things that have happened to other peoples. It's such a contradiction! Why can't they blame the systems that were put in place to allow the exploitation of peoples and the people who put those systems in place? You know... the people commonly referred to as society's elite.[/QUOTE]
i find it funny how you're incapable of understanding a single thing anyone says about this topic and you have such a persecution complex that explaining it seems to be pointless anyway. you seriously can't understand that although race is an invented concept it is still one used to judge people?
[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;44465504]That's stupid as fuck.
I can understand giving a term to the citizens of a nation or humanity, but classifying people who need to live day by day as being blamed since it's a Collective is just fucking horrible.
"Hello you're bad because of being White." Is simply what it's saying, and no matter how you spin it you will always get a negative response because it's completely stupid.[/QUOTE]
Somone should tell all the homeless/lower class white people to cash in their privilegebux, they have it much easier.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44465499]white people and males have it so hard i couldn't imagine having to endure the persecution of this poor downtrodden minority :(.[/QUOTE]
Is this the best arguement you could provide?
[QUOTE=Allah;44465541]Is this the best arguement you could provide?[/QUOTE]
that wasn't an argument i was just making fun of some of the people in this thread
[editline]6th April 2014[/editline]
there isn't really any argument to make against some of you because you refuse to actually understand what white privilege is no matter how many times it's explained to you. and all you will do is just take it as some sort of personal attack so yeah i don't know why i bother TBH!
[QUOTE=Allah;44465501]What benefits? As far as I know, race doesn't matter and people are already equal in most Western countries.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say that man, but it's certainly a little less of an issue today than say 10 years ago. Especially in poverty stricken areas like mine. The world shits on all of us equally around here. If anything I'd say the concept of privilege boils down to wealth. At the very least, the 'benefit' they are always talking about is much more obvious when you're wealthy. Maybe it's just that white people have more wealth on average, and it actually has nothing to do with skin color at all, that'd be crazy right?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44465553]that wasn't an argument i was just making fun of some of the people in this thread
[editline]6th April 2014[/editline]
there isn't really any argument to make against some of you because you refuse to actually understand what white privilege is no matter how many times it's explained to you. and all you will do is just take it as some sort of personal attack so yeah i don't know why i bother TBH![/QUOTE]
Why are you mistaking us taking it as a personal attack, we just disagree with you. In fact, any time someone discusses this with you, you say "uh well you guys just refuse to learn about your privilege" or "persecution complex persecution complex", when that's not the case.
[QUOTE=frozensoda;44465572]I wouldn't say that man, but it's certainly a little less of an issue today than say 10 years ago. Especially in poverty stricken areas like mine. The world shits on all of us equally around here. If anything I'd say the concept of privilege boils down to wealth. At the very least, the 'benefit' they are always talking about is much more obvious when you're wealthy. Maybe it's just that white people have more wealth on average, and it actually has nothing to do with skin color at all, that'd be crazy right?[/QUOTE]
you're wrong though. yes, wealth is generally more important, but that still ignores that race is a huge factor, there are various studies that show that simply having a 'black sounding' name on your resume will make employers less likely to call you back despite economic backgrounds. and not only that the disproportionate targeting of blacks/minorities by police and shit like that
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44465594]you're wrong though. yes, wealth is generally more important, but that still ignores that race is a huge factor, there are various studies that show that simply having a 'black sounding' name on your resume will make employers less likely to call you back despite economic backgrounds. and not only that the disproportionate targeting of blacks/minorities by police and shit like that[/QUOTE]
Were those studies done in wealthy areas? Were the jobs applied for the kind of jobs that are available in poor areas?
I ask because I'd like to see the results of one done in poor areas to see if it's more equal.
[QUOTE=Comcastic;44465591]Why are you mistaking us taking it as a personal attack, we just disagree with you. In fact, any time someone discusses this with you, you say "uh well you guys just refuse to learn about your privilege" or "persecution complex persecution complex", when that's not the case.[/QUOTE]
because that is what you take it as and you don't understand privilege. you proved that with your 'LOWER CLASS AND POOR PEOPLE SHOULD CASH IN THEIR PRIVILEGEBUX'
I find it hilarious that white privilege studies exists and it's called that instead of white American studies. For context there's African American and Asian American studies.
[QUOTE=frozensoda;44465600]Were those studies done in wealthy areas?
I ask because I'd like to see the results of one done in poor areas to see if it's more equal.[/QUOTE]
i told you, they used controls re: economic backgrounds/coming from poor areas. like i agree with you, that the poor are generally shat on in the USA despite their colour, but that doesn't change that race is still a huge factor
[editline]6th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=garychencool;44465608]I find it hilarious that white privilege studies exists and it's called that instead of white American studies. For context there's African American and Asian American studies.[/QUOTE]
yeah wtf where is our white history month
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44465615]i told you, they used controls re: economic backgrounds/coming from poor areas. like i agree with you, that the poor are generally shat on in the USA despite their colour, but that doesn't change that race is still a huge factor
[editline]6th April 2014[/editline]
yeah wtf where is our white history month[/QUOTE]
Well I still think it's very easy to get the result you want in a study like that by choosing to apply for jobs in sectors that are particularly biased, such as the trades, or even individual businesses that are biased. Who did the study? can you link it?
I've changed my mind some since the last time we talked about this, I'm no longer completely denying 'white privilege' but I certainly think that it is much less of an issue, maybe even non-existent, in poor areas like mine. There are more businesses on within 5 blocks of my house that are hostile/flat out refuse to serve white people than vice-versa.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44465615]yeah wtf where is our white history month[/QUOTE]
Ah I remember at school random Black History Month facts were spoken over the telecom, and eventually the Latino Club demanded that they do the same for a Latino Heritage Month. Then the Asian Club followed suit and got their own, and finally... I think it might have been the Italian Club or the French Club got a Western Euro Heritage Month going. Yes pretty funny, I didn't think it would happen considering 50% of the school was Latino and Black. Now they just need Eastern Euro Heritage Month as well as Native Americans :v:
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44465601]because that is what you take it as and you don't understand privilege. you proved that with your 'LOWER CLASS AND POOR PEOPLE SHOULD CASH IN THEIR PRIVILEGEBUX'[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because that wasn't a joke, at all. Explain to me how white people have advantages socially and economically. Without saying "WELL THIS ONE STUDY DONE ON A SMALL AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SAYS EMPLOYERS MIGHT NOT HIRE YOU BECAUSE OF HOW YOUR NAME SOUNDS, AND ONLY BASED ON THE SOUND OF YOUR NAME".
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44465615]i told you, they used controls re: economic backgrounds/coming from poor areas. like i agree with you, that the poor are generally shat on in the USA despite their colour, but that doesn't change that race is still a huge factor[/QUOTE]
You don't seem to understand. Instead of treating people of different races as equals, white guilt has white people always factoring in race.
[QUOTE]"It's that savior mentality, like 'save them, because they are not like us,' and that normalization of whiteness. Whiteness is best and those poor others aren't as good as us," she said. "So, we need to think of them and give them our sympathy and our charity and our generosity, which is so demeaning to the people on the receiving end. It's so demoralizing and disempowering to be receiving it."[/QUOTE]
No! You were just helping them because you were good people looking out for your fellow humans.
[QUOTE=Megafan;44465377]'White' isn't even a consistent grouping of people in history. All it's saying is that white people and male people receive a number of assumed benefits in certain western countries as a result of being the dominant social group for many years.[/QUOTE]
Never denied this. The idea of being guilty about being male and white is just ridiculous and counterproductive.
[QUOTE=frozensoda;44465644]Well I still think it's very easy to get the result you want in a study like that by choosing to apply for jobs in sectors that are particularly biased, such as the trades, or even individual businesses that are biased. Who did the study? can you link it?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/spring03/racialbias.html[/url]
[url]http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html[/url]
[editline]6th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Comcastic;44465661]Yeah, because that wasn't a joke, at all. Explain to me how white people have advantages socially and economically. Without saying "WELL THIS ONE STUDY DONE ON A SMALL AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SAYS EMPLOYERS MIGHT NOT HIRE YOU BECAUSE OF HOW YOUR NAME SOUNDS, AND ONLY BASED ON THE SOUND OF YOUR NAME".[/QUOTE]
why should i bother when now you're showing you don't even understand how statistics/studies work?
[editline]6th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44465666]You don't seem to understand. Instead of treating people of different races as equals, white guilt has white people always factoring in race.
No! You were just helping them because you were good people looking out for your fellow humans.[/QUOTE]
i don't believe in white guilt as being anything other than something you bring on yourself. and like i said earlier, i think the lady in the article is nuts
[QUOTE=Allah;44465501]What benefits? As far as I know, race doesn't matter and people are already equal in most Western countries.[/QUOTE]
For example, a study was done by the National Bureau of Economic Research (not University of Chicago, the researchers were graduates from there) in 2004 where equivalent dummy resumes were sent out with stereotypically 'black' names and stereotypically 'white' names. The ones with 'black' names received 50% fewer callbacks than those with 'white' names.
[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/us/01race.html[/URL]
And the study itself: [URL]http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/sendhil/files/are_emily_and_greg_more_employable_than_lakisha_and_jamal.pdf[/URL]
[quote]White names receive 50 percent more callbacks for interviews. Callbacks are also more responsive to resume quality for White names than for African American ones. The racial gap is uniform across occupation, industry, and employer size. We also find little evidence that employers are inferring social class from the names. Differential treatment by race still appears to still be prominent in the U.S. labor market.[/quote]
So, I would say race still matters in the 21st century United States.
[editline]5th April 2014[/editline]
Oh, it was already mentioned, but this has more specific information.
[editline]5th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Comcastic;44465661]Yeah, because that wasn't a joke, at all. Explain to me how white people have advantages socially and economically. Without saying "WELL THIS ONE STUDY DONE ON A SMALL AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SAYS EMPLOYERS MIGHT NOT HIRE YOU BECAUSE OF HOW YOUR NAME SOUNDS, AND ONLY BASED ON THE SOUND OF YOUR NAME".[/QUOTE]
Someone doesn't know how sample sizes work, and besides, it was hardly small or narrow:
[quote]In total, we respond to over 1300 employment ads in the sales, administrative support, clerical and customer services job categories and send nearly 5000 resumes. The ads we respond to cover a large spectrum of job quality, from cashier work at retail establishments and clerical work in a mail room to office and sales management positions.[/quote]
[url]http://www.aclu.org/files/assets/061413-mj-report-rfs-rel4.pdf[/url]
and here's something about disproportionate targeting of blacks within the war on drugs despite the similar rates of use amongst whites
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44465813][url]http://www.aclu.org/files/assets/061413-mj-report-rfs-rel4.pdf[/url]
and here's something about disproportionate targeting of blacks within the war on drugs despite the similar rates of use amongst whites[/QUOTE]
Is that true of drug users in wealthy areas?
My point being that if this is only true of poor areas, then you have to take the actual distribution of the races into account as well. Most everyone is aware that poor areas have a lower population of white people than wealthy areas.
[QUOTE=frozensoda;44465824]Is that true of drug users in wealthy areas?[/QUOTE]
page 64-66
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44465838]page 64-66[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I know that seems lazy but that's a lot of reading to just answer one question.
[QUOTE=frozensoda;44465843]Thanks, I know that seems lazy but that's a lot of reading to just answer one question.[/QUOTE]
yeah, it's got tables as well though. but basically within any household income level blacks are far more likely to be arrested for possession
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44465862]yeah, it's got tables as well though. but basically within any household income level blacks are far more likely to be arrested for possession[/QUOTE]
Well all I conclude from that is that cops in the areas tested are racist.
Does it say if the arresting officers are white or black or other? Also, is it adjusted for the actual distribution of the races of the people in the areas where the arrests were made?
I know I'm sounding combative right now, but if I'm going to accept that I have an advantage simply because I'm white especially in an area like mine where the average income is $19,000 a year, I need to see some very compelling evidence.
I don't feel any white guilt.
Should I check my privilege?
[QUOTE=Complifused;44465881]I don't feel any white guilt.
Should I check my privilege?[/QUOTE]
Only if you haven't read anything in the thread and want to continue to stir up the same pointless argument.
[QUOTE=Complifused;44465881]I don't feel any white guilt.
Should I check my privilege?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://privilegechecker.neocities.org/[/url]
You'd better check yourself before you wreck yourself.
[QUOTE=Allah;44465923][URL]http://privilegechecker.neocities.org/[/URL]
You'd better check yourself before you wreck yourself.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/223PjS4.png[/IMG]
This website is not politically correct. It's LITTLE PERSON not midget.
[QUOTE=Complifused;44465881]I don't feel any white guilt.
Should I check my privilege?[/QUOTE]
stop oppressing me!
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