Pope Francis shits on the Prosperity Gospel: "it’s ugly, eh? That is not a Christian: that’s a pagan
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[QUOTE=Killer900;43243098]Mention atheism or that you're an atheist anymore on this forum (which ironically is predominately atheist), even if it's in an entirely passive way, and you're bound to get at least one person making a "fedora wearing neckbeard atheist haha", or "i put on my fedora and stroke my neckbeard" joke. They aren't funny anymore and honestly never were. This whole self-loathing atheist trend is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Edgy militant athiesm was cool a few years back and it was dumb. Hating anything remotely mentioning atheism is now cool. It's just rebound. Eventually it will settle in the middle.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;43243301]Edgy militant athiesm was cool a few years back and it was dumb. Hating anything remotely mentioning atheism is now cool. It's just rebound. Eventually it will settle in the middle.[/QUOTE]Hopefully you're right.
This feeds my theory about christianity being a religion created by rich people to make poor people proud of being poor.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43243142]No?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists[/url][/QUOTE]
A few incidents in a history of a massive world where atheists alone have been discriminated against does not cover everything before the 20th century.
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;43238721]I think I found it. But it looks more like Jesus was explaining that one shouldn't limit ministry in one's home or hometown, because your own people may label you as an outcast for what you teach/believe in, Jesus wasn't even welcomed back in his hometown when he began his ministry.[/QUOTE]
Nah, that's not it. I might have cited wrong chapter or so because I remember him saying almost literally what I explained.
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;43244164]Nah, that's not it. I might have cited wrong chapter or so because I remember him saying almost literally what I explained.[/QUOTE]
[quote]41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.
43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”
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[editline]19th December 2013[/editline]
[quote]10 “Two men fwent up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee, gstanding by himself, prayed1 hthus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 iI fast twice a week; jI give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, gstanding far off, kwould not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but lbeat his breast, saying, ‘God, mbe merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For neveryone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
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[quote=Matthew 6:5-6]5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.[/quote]
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;43243501]This feeds my theory about christianity being a religion created by rich people to make poor people proud of being poor.[/QUOTE]
Don't know why people rated you dumb.
Christianity (and other abramic religions) enforce slave morality where people are submissive, humble and supportive of each other, putting these values before personal gain is arguably better for society. It might be a coincidence that historically the rich have had support from religious institution (kings had devine right) likewise those in positions of power in a religion have generally been rich and powerful (popes, saudi arabian imams doing what that fuck they like without worry of punishment.) but I doubt it.
Indoctrinate people to be humble and guilty and it will be easier to lead them.
As for poor being proud of being poor. The mentality of Christianity is to be humble and put the spiritual before the physical, people arn't proud of being poor but they are raised with the belief that they need to appease god and that having money is not the way to do that.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43240637]It's not really semantics. You're using a term normally reserved for people who are going out and making lives hell, causing actual damage and being general shitlords to describe intolerant assholes (hey, that works pretty well as a description doesn't it?) making noises on the Internet.
The term "militant atheist" is fucking retarded and people need to stop using it. You can't be militant about a belief in nothing, you can be a intolerant asshole to people with belief in something.[/QUOTE]
I've seen people use the term "militant atheist" all the time when growing up and when googling the word the definition didn't really contradict the way I've seen the term used
[quote]Militant is usually used to describe a person engaged in aggressive verbal or physical combat (e.g. an activist, revolutionary, terrorist or insurgent).
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant[/url][/quote]
[img]http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l189/Simski_2006/militant_zpsf42e8021.png[/img]
The term is used for people that resort to violent confrontations to promote their cause, which can mean both physically, but also verbally.
I'm using the term to describe atheists that act overly confrontational, offensive, and demeaning, which according to most definitions is a correct use of the term.
Maybe you personally just associate the term with more severe instances you've seen it used.
Unless you can actually be part of the solution by suggesting me a term that means the same thing as militant but "has less serious connections that won't offend nitpicking facepunch users as much", I frankly see no reason why I shouldn't just continue to freely use the term the same way I and many others always have.
Woo Francis, keep showing we arn't all assholes, you're am insperation man
Wow, you can tell Francis is confident as pope. The Popemobile has open sides.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;43248618]Don't know why people rated you dumb.
Christianity (and other abramic religions) enforce slave morality where people are submissive, humble and supportive of each other, putting these values before personal gain is arguably better for society. It might be a coincidence that historically the rich have had support from religious institution (kings had devine right) likewise those in positions of power in a religion have generally been rich and powerful (popes, saudi arabian imams doing what that fuck they like without worry of punishment.) but I doubt it.
Indoctrinate people to be humble and guilty and it will be easier to lead them.
As for poor being proud of being poor. The mentality of Christianity is to be humble and put the spiritual before the physical, people arn't proud of being poor but they are raised with the belief that they need to appease god and that having money is not the way to do that.[/QUOTE]
See in antiquity, this was common knowledge, hence why kings and emperor's in that time period tended to enforce worship of themselves as deities, nominally those who were uneducated and superstitious usually fell for it turning them into pawns for the elite. Those who were smart enough to see past this, which wasn't necessarily a minority, tended to leer into philosophy and craftmanship.
[QUOTE=fulgrim;43243000]What. this is entirely untrue.
im noticing a pattern in your posts, and i have to ask man, why do you hate atheists so much?[/QUOTE]
I don't. What I [I]do[/I] hate is this attitude that seems so prevalent on the internet that being an atheist somehow makes you in some sort of higher-class level of intelligence, or that you are the next, superior stage of human evolution. People seem to like to portray atheists as some sort of innocent little angels who should be allowed to take cheap shots at religious people because of some perceived "persecution", a.k.a. people getting mad at having their beliefs referred to as "fairy tales". The larger part of my peer group is nonreligious, and they have never [I]once[/I] acted like douchebags about my beliefs. I really only see this attitude on the internet, and it is rather frustrating.
[QUOTE=slayer64;43256378]I don't. What I [I]do[/I] hate is this attitude that seems so prevalent on the internet that being an atheist somehow makes you in some sort of higher-class level of intelligence, or that you are the next, superior stage of human evolution. People seem to like to portray atheists as some sort of innocent little angels who should be allowed to take cheap shots at religious people because of some perceived "persecution", a.k.a. people getting mad at having their beliefs referred to as "fairy tales". The larger part of my peer group is nonreligious, and they have never [I]once[/I] acted like douchebags about my beliefs. I really only see this attitude on the internet, and it is rather frustrating.[/QUOTE]
yeah everybody likes atheists on the internet, which is why everyone constantly posts about how Richard Dawkins is a stupid dick every time his name is mentioned and being even vaguely verbal about religion gets twenty people posting "lmao *tpis fedora!*"
also, you just said that some overweight nerds on r/atheism are worse than religious extremists. somehow i think there may be some truth to that whole "persecution complex" thing.
[QUOTE=slayer64;43256378]I don't. What I [I]do[/I] hate is this attitude that seems so prevalent on the internet that being an atheist somehow makes you in some sort of higher-class level of intelligence, or that you are the next, superior stage of human evolution. People seem to like to portray atheists as some sort of innocent little angels who should be allowed to take cheap shots at religious people because of some perceived "persecution", a.k.a. people getting mad at having their beliefs referred to as "fairy tales". The larger part of my peer group is nonreligious, and they have never [I]once[/I] acted like douchebags about my beliefs. I really only see this attitude on the internet, and it is rather frustrating.[/QUOTE]
you have what is known as a persecution complex.
religious groups are the majority in the US, and in Canada. Only very, very recently, and in part due to the internet, have atheists/agnostics/general non believers and apathists, been able to actually realize they're not very alone.
No one is claiming to be more intelligent than you except for the individuals who do themselves claim that for themselves. Not for a group of us as we aren't really a group so much as a lot of people with a lot of views that happens to include not believing in mythologies.
and the US has not seen any militant anti theist movements in any way shape or form.
Why are you so fast to call anyone who has an opinion opposite yours a militant atheist if they so much as speak up about their lack of belief?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;43236798]this guy is too good to be true, he's probably hitler in disguise or [B]a terminator[/B] or something[/QUOTE]
That would actually kick ass.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43256556]you have what is known as a persecution complex.
religious groups are the majority in the US, and in Canada. Only very, very recently, and in part due to the internet, have atheists/agnostics/general non believers and apathists, been able to actually realize they're not very alone.
No one is claiming to be more intelligent than you except for the individuals who do themselves claim that for themselves. Not for a group of us as we aren't really a group so much as a lot of people with a lot of views that happens to include not believing in mythologies.
and the US has not seen any militant anti theist movements in any way shape or form.
Why are you so fast to call anyone who has an opinion opposite yours a militant atheist if they so much as speak up about their lack of belief?[/QUOTE]
I have no problem with atheists initiating respectful, intellectual conversation about religion and the faults in it, as there are admittedly multiple issues with organized religion today. But I do have a problem with having people laugh in my face the minute I suggest my worldview is legitimate in any way, or that any morals derived from those beliefs are absolutely meaningless because of it.
[QUOTE=Vasili;43237645]/pol/s christian population created the meme and spread it through the internet to incite hatred and general dislike to anyone claiming to be an Atheists or even remotely question religious values.[/QUOTE]
I thought it was Feminists trying to discredit MRAs.
Or goons trying to discredit Redditors.
I think we need to bring back krampus, that will be good for holiday spirit
hey kids, santa will bring you gifts if you're good!
if not...
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Krampus_Morzger_Pass_Salzburg_2008_04.jpg/400px-Krampus_Morzger_Pass_Salzburg_2008_04.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Tengil;43238488]This is what santa used to look like. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule_Goat[/url]
[URL=http://filesmelt.com/][IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/pagan1.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/QUOTE]
Santa is a furry?
[QUOTE=Xystus234;43234950]I worship science[/QUOTE]
what a nerd
[QUOTE=slayer64;43256378]I don't. What I [I]do[/I] hate is this attitude that seems so prevalent on the internet that being an atheist somehow makes you in some sort of higher-class level of intelligence, or that you are the next, superior stage of human evolution. People seem to like to portray atheists as some sort of innocent little angels who should be allowed to take cheap shots at religious people because of some perceived "persecution", a.k.a. people getting mad at having their beliefs referred to as "fairy tales". The larger part of my peer group is nonreligious, and they have never [I]once[/I] acted like douchebags about my beliefs. I really only see this attitude on the internet, and it is rather frustrating.[/QUOTE]
Maybe you would get a nicer kind of response if your first post in literally every- "BREAKING NEWS: atheist group does thing"- thread ive seen you post in, wasn't something along the lines of- *Tips fedora* or "Hey guys is it euphoric in here or is it just me?"
And before you say it, some random atheist poster in that thread posting an opinion that offended you before you arrived is not an excuse for you to make snarky meme-riddled remarks about his entire demographic.
If you keep pushing this stupid meme stuff about, you are literally being part of the issue- i mean why should anyone feel the need to sugar-coat their opinions on a belief system you subscribe to, just in-case you get upset, after you just implied they were all fat nerds with bad dress sense?
[QUOTE=fulgrim;43258051]Maybe you would get a nicer kind of response if your first post in literally every- "BREAKING NEWS: atheist group does thing"- thread ive seen you post in, wasn't something along the lines of- *Tips fedora* or "Hey guys is it euphoric in here or is it just me?"
And before you say it, some random atheist poster in that thread posting an opinion that offended you before you arrived is not an excuse for you to make snarky meme-riddled remarks about his entire demographic.
If you keep pushing this stupid meme stuff about, you are literally being part of the issue- i mean why should anyone feel the need to sugar-coat their opinions on a belief system you subscribe to, just in-case you get upset, after you just implied they were all fat nerds with bad dress sense?[/QUOTE]
Ok, first of all, I don't insult everyone in general. I target my posts specifically against those posters who are being hostile without reason. The only time I start getting hostile back is when everyone else jumps in to defend the 1-2 posters who [I]are[/I] being assholes. Not to mention, in the very few threads about religious groups actually doing good things, there are always atheists who fill the thread with reasons why religion is still bad, how no amount of good it does will ever change that, etc. If you've noticed, in threads about the Pope like this, very few people start hating on religion, and as a result, I don't come out swinging like usual.
[QUOTE=slayer64;43263792]If you've noticed, in threads about the Pope like this, very few people start hating on religion, and as a result, I don't come out swinging like usual.[/QUOTE]
and yet somehow you still managed to work this post into the thread, prompted by absolutely nothing:
[QUOTE=slayer64;43242796]They are entirely militant. Ironically, the fervor with which they attack religion and push for its destruction is at times worse than religious extremism.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=slayer64;43263792]Ok, first of all, I don't insult everyone in general. I target my posts specifically against those posters who are being hostile without reason. The only time I start getting hostile back is when everyone else jumps in to defend the 1-2 posters who [I]are[/I] being assholes. Not to mention, in the very few threads about religious groups actually doing good things, there are always atheists who fill the thread with reasons why religion is still bad, how no amount of good it does will ever change that, etc. If you've noticed, in threads about the Pope like this, very few people start hating on religion, and as a result, I don't come out swinging like usual.[/QUOTE]
don't bring up how other people are always shit flinging if you can't, and haven't yet been able to break yourself out of the same cycle.
Using pagan as an insult is disgusting. That's the only bigoted thing the pope has said though, we can forgive him for that.
[QUOTE=zvyagintsev;43264419]Using pagan as an insult is disgusting. That's the only bigoted thing the pope has said though, we can forgive him for that.[/QUOTE]
It isn't being used as an insult though, it's being used as an example of what christians aren't (or shouldn't be).
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;43264747]It isn't being used as an insult though, it's being used as an example of what christians aren't (or shouldn't be).[/QUOTE]
[quote]“It is an ugly thing,” he said, according to Vatican Radio, “when you see a Christian who doesn’t want to humble himself, who doesn’t want to serve, a Christian who struts about everywhere: it’s ugly, eh? That is not a Christian: that’s a pagan!”[/quote]
not that I care hugely, but unless christians have a monopoly on being humble and not strutting about everywhere, that's directly insulting pagans. he's saying a pagan is someone who doesn't want to humble himself, who doesn't want to serve, and who struts around everywhere.
[editline]21st December 2013[/editline]
I agree that he's not using the word pagan "as an insult", but he is definitely insulting pagans
On the topic of Christmas being parallel to Saturnalia, back in the time of Rome, when Christians were persecuted, they decided to have Christian holidays during Roman holidays because the Romans were less likely to point spears at them, and it wouldn't look unnatural to see them celebrating along with everyone else. Which is why a lot of Saturnalia has merged with a lot of Christian holidays after the fall of Rome.
On the thread topic, what the pope is saying is true, Christians are supposed set an example, and not indulge in the world, yet so many are hypocrites, and don't bother helping people, or doing just as sinful things as other people.
Also in Jesus' time you had the Pharisees, who were the religious leaders at that time. Jesus called them a "synagogue of satan" They were outwardly religious and holy, but inwardly full of hate, and they eventually encouraged the people to kill Jesus because he revealed what they truly were. It's not about how good you are, it's about whether you are saved or not, because in reality, we blow it all the time, we are not perfect, we all need to recognize that, and accept Jesus. I'm not saying Christians are perfect, because they aren't, but we shouldn't practice sin.
/Sermon
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43233931]There're also the many eerie parallels to [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia"]Saturnalia[/URL].[/QUOTE]
Santurn Claus
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