• Canada's Marajuana Laws Made Invalid, If there is no new laws in 90 days, it's legal
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[QUOTE=Risonhighmer;29154718]Keep doing what they are doing. I assume they will have to buy a license of some sort to sell it. With the Medical Marijuana program here in Vancouver you can get a permit to grow and possess pot, A couple of my friends have those permits and pretty much have a free pass to pot. I assume they will just add a distribution license so that the government can earn some money off of weed sales without being too intrusive. Or something.[/QUOTE] But then they make less money from increased competition! And they have to lower prices!
[QUOTE=Rubs10;29154688]There's been little negative research because there hasn't been enough legit research, which is a fault on both sides of the argument. The doctors are right on this one and until we actually have a full report on it, like any other drug on the market, then it shouldn't be sold.[/QUOTE] There's been nothing BUT negative research for Tobacco and Cigarettes, yet they are sold and generally accepted, and all of that research has been ultra legit. By your logic cigarettes should have been outlawed years ago.
Legal marijuana up above me, people killing each other over it below me How about that drug war
[QUOTE=Trogdon;29154757]But then they make less money from increased competition! And they have to lower prices![/QUOTE] I assume they will buy out some dispensaries (Which there are already plenty of them) and maybe license head shops to sell pot as well and tax it.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;29154688]There's been little negative research because there hasn't been enough legit research, which is a fault on both sides of the argument. The doctors are right on this one and until we actually have a full report on it, like any other drug on the market, then it shouldn't be sold.[/QUOTE] If unknown effects are why marijuana shouldn't be sold, pharmacies should pay more attention to the legal prescriptions they already sell. Every year about 100,000 people die from various prescription medicines. Not to mention there's been TONS of legit research over about sixty-seventy years.
[QUOTE=Risonhighmer;29154764]I assume they will buy out some dispensaries (Which there are already plenty of them) and maybe license head shops to sell pot as well and tax it.[/QUOTE] But illegal drug dealers lose out on pot being legalized!
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;29154779]If unknown effects are why marijuana shouldn't be sold, pharmacies should pay more attention to the legal prescriptions they already sell. Every year about 100,000 people die from various prescription medicines. Not to mention there's been TONS of legit research over about sixty-seventy years.[/QUOTE] We've told him this a number of times. Marijuana still needs more research than any other drug according to him.
[QUOTE=Trogdon;29154817]But illegal drug dealers lose out on pot being legalized![/QUOTE] there is more than marajuana to sell illegally.
[QUOTE=Craptasket;29154865]there is more than marajuana to sell illegally.[/QUOTE] Crack, cocaine, heroin, perscription drugs, special k, mdma, lsd, meth, 2C series, Salvia(depends where you live I guess), moonshine, etc. The list goes on. And the reason for keeping them illegal is...
[QUOTE=Craptasket;29154663]More from Marajuana for a time, It should take some time for everyday people and businesses to sprout.[/QUOTE] heeeh sprout
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29154911]Crack, cocaine, heroin, perscription drugs, special k, mdma, lsd, meth, 2C series, Salvia(depends where you live I guess), moonshine, etc. The list goes on. And the reason for keeping them illegal is...[/QUOTE] Uninformed people don't know the facts. I am all for legalizing most forms of drugs.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29154911]Crack, cocaine, heroin, perscription drugs, special k, mdma, lsd, meth, 2C series, Salvia(depends where you live I guess), moonshine, etc. The list goes on. And the reason for keeping them illegal is...[/QUOTE] they GET YOU FUCKED UP [editline]13th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;29154954]heeeh sprout[/QUOTE] heh
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;29153878]this would be quite great. if Canada legalizes marijuana, and everyone sees that the ridiculous scare stories haven't come true, it's going to put a lot of pressure on the US's ridiculous policies.[/QUOTE] Portugal legalized ALL drugs a few years ago. Nothing happened, media ignored it. [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11648828/Portugal%20409%20mod%20500.jpg[/img]
So is this only in Ontario or is it countrywide?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29154746]Holy shit not you again. It's more researched than most drugs that major Pharma pumps out. The main dangers so far we've found? Causes psychosis increase if you smoke before you're in your mid 20's. There's been tons of research, lots of it legit, lots not, but there's been tons. It should be legalized because there's no reason to keep it illegal. I don't really give a shit about you and what you might say because you'll just say "More research" again like you did last time ignoring the fact there's fucking tons of research and that WORSE DRUGS GET RELEASED LEGALLY AND YOU'RE APPLYING A RIDICULOUS DOUBLE STANDARD. I mean really, how the fuck do you hold it to that standard when we know it's less lethal and dangerous than any other drug we've put out so far? We legalize drugs with sideeffects half way to killing you, but pots too dangerous?[/QUOTE] The article says that doctors across Canada have boycotted the drug for two reasons. One of them being that there haven't been enough clinical trials. Most drugs are released for the same reason that marijuana is used for a prescription, because it's the best thing we have to treat ailments, meaning that who uses it can be controlled. Releasing it on the scale of alcohol and cigarettes means that people should be aware of the risks. I'm fine with smoking and I know others smoking marijuana, for the most part, won't affect me much more than smoking cigarettes do. But people should be aware of the side effects. If I support its legalization and someone develops something previously unknown because people like me supported it going through without study, then it's partly because of me, isn't it.
[QUOTE=Craptasket;29155093]they GET YOU FUCKED UP[/QUOTE] What does Xanax do?
[QUOTE=Cruma;29155204]What does Xanax do?[/QUOTE] Makes your blood feel like cotton candy
90 day philibuster, anyone?
If this gets passed - a new era has begun.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;29155179]The article says that doctors across Canada have boycotted the drug for two reasons. One of them being that there haven't been enough clinical trials. Most drugs are released for the same reason that marijuana is used for a prescription, because it's the best thing we have to treat ailments, meaning that who uses it can be controlled. Releasing it on the scale of alcohol and cigarettes means that people should be aware of the risks. I'm fine with smoking and I know others smoking marijuana, for the most part, won't affect me much more than smoking cigarettes do. But people should be aware of the side effects. If I support its legalization and someone develops something previously unknown because people like me supported it going through without study, then it's partly because of me, isn't it.[/QUOTE] We're aware of the side effects. What if we find a new side effect of alcohol? Would you say the last few decades have all been terribly flawed due to that? The information is out there. It's just that people aren't getting to it. Many people take prescription drugs with no fucking clue what they do, the doctors with little info(Considerably more than most, but still not everything) themselves, often being told what prescriptions are around to prescribe, and yet... that doesn't seem to bug you, but people smoking pot when we've researched it to the point we have and have had the 10,000 years of smoking it that we have, to still declare it should be illegal when we keep things like tobacco and alcohol legal is beyond stupidity. [editline]13th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Vasili;29155101]Portugal legalized ALL drugs a few years ago. Nothing happened, media ignored it. [img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11648828/Portugal%20409%20mod%20500.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] This says everything I could about the portugal solution. Doesn't bother social conservatives though, they'd still rather tell people what belongs in their bodies.
All I gotta say is "god damnit!" I personally don't support drugs for non-medical uses.
you guys are talking like there's 0 chance that they'll make a law against it in the next 90 days
[QUOTE=EastBayWilly;29155612]All I gotta say is "god damnit!" I personally don't support drugs for non-medical uses.[/QUOTE] Well, here's the thing, how one person feels about doing something, doesn't affect whether the other people should be allowed to do that thing or not, you know, violating those peoples freedoms and all. [editline]13th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Kinglah Crab;29155647]you guys are talking like there's 0 chance that they'll make a law against it in the next 90 days[/QUOTE] No one's saying that at all. But it's likely that this will start the change in something. You know, this isn't america.
welcome to new jamaica
[QUOTE=Risonhighmer;29154758]There's been nothing BUT negative research for Tobacco and Cigarettes, yet they are sold and generally accepted, and all of that research has been ultra legit. By your logic cigarettes should have been outlawed years ago.[/QUOTE] They should have been, and they should be now. They have very negative effects and risks, and if there wasnt so much money in it for the companies/ all the addicted people demanding it as well, it'd be out in a heartbeat. Tobacco companies dont want competition with a superior roll :frogc00l:
I love my country.
[QUOTE=PyromanDan;29155713]They should have been, and they should be now. They have very negative effects and risks, and if there wasnt so much money in it for the companies/ all the addicted people demanding it as well, it'd be out in a heartbeat. Tobacco companies dont want competition with a superior roll :frogc00l:[/QUOTE] ...Banning anything is a bad idea. It only creates crime. It only sponsors and funds crime. Alcohol was illegal? Shit went down hard for a long time, there were criminal empires built upon that. Prohibition of all other drugs, formally known as the War on Drugs? Has literally only made the problem worse, drugs more prevalent and spent money doing absolutely nothing to enforce a supposed "moral" about what you can and can't do to yourself(hint, won't work). What would banning ciggs do? Frankly, I'm not sure it would cause a problem to that scale at all, but it would be a few steps back. Any prohibition is a step back.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29155429]We're aware of the side effects. What if we find a new side effect of alcohol? Would you say the last few decades have all been terribly flawed due to that? The information is out there. It's just that people aren't getting to it. Many people take prescription drugs with no fucking clue what they do, the doctors with little info(Considerably more than most, but still not everything) themselves, often being told what prescriptions are around to prescribe, and yet... that doesn't seem to bug you, but people smoking pot when we've researched it to the point we have and have had the 10,000 years of smoking it that we have, to still declare it should be illegal when we keep things like tobacco and alcohol legal is beyond stupidity. [editline]13th April 2011[/editline] This says everything I could about the portugal solution. Doesn't bother social conservatives though, they'd still rather tell people what belongs in their bodies.[/QUOTE] I've been doing my own marijuana research and my studies conclude that there are no drugs to help treat marijuana addiction. So how about they start with researching that drug before they put marijuana on the market, hm? Also, I don't care what you put in your body to feel good, whether it be food, alcohol, smokes or any other drugs, what I am concerned about though, is whether you know what you're doing to yourself or how it effects the people around you. A rather similar reasoning applies to not letting kids make major choices, as they may not know what they're doing to themselves. There are a few exception to that when applied to adults, but it has similar reasoning. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29155895]...Banning anything is a bad idea. It only creates crime. It only sponsors and funds crime. Alcohol was illegal? Shit went down hard for a long time, there were criminal empires built upon that. Prohibition of all other drugs, formally known as the War on Drugs? Has literally only made the problem worse, drugs more prevalent and spent money doing absolutely nothing to enforce a supposed "moral" about what you can and can't do to yourself(hint, won't work). What would banning ciggs do? Frankly, I'm not sure it would cause a problem to that scale at all, but it would be a few steps back. Any prohibition is a step back.[/QUOTE] Only reason alcohol got unbanned was because it was the most widely used substance. Personally, I don't think you have a very good reason for having marijuana unbanned, which is why I doubt anything you say on the subject.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;29155929]I've been doing my own marijuana research of my own and my studies conclude that there are no drugs to help treat marijuana addiction. So how about they start with researching that drug before they put it on the market, hm? Also, I don't care what you put in your body to feel good, whether it be food, alcohol, smokes or any other drugs, what I am concerned about though, is whether you know what you're doing to yourself or how it effects the people around you. A rather similar reasoning applies to not letting kids make major choices, as they may not know what they're doing to themselves. There are a few exception to that, but it has similar backing. Only reason alcohol got unbanned was because it was the most widely used substance.[/QUOTE] Oh it wasn't because there were crime syndicates and bootleggers on every corner? It wasn't because there were more bars and speakeasys in new york in the 1920's than had ever been there since or before? It wasn't because it was a terrible failure? Just like the war on drugs, just like keeping marijauna illegal? Okay, it was the most widely used substance, marijuana is not far behind and isn't repsonsible for even a fraction of the deaths. This is an easy problem, legalize it. There is no way to physically be addicted to marijuana. If you are addicted to it, it is a mental addiction only. There are no drugs available to help with a mental addiction. You can be mentally addicted to stabbing forks into yourself, or eating too much, so please, research? You've researched your asshole. Yes, we don't let kids make major choices, but there's a difference between a child and an adult, and you're right, they generally have a right to know what's going to happen to th- Oh wait, no, no one has that right, but we do have the right to make our own choices once we're adults and as much as I would like to know exactly what happens with every drug, there are untold side effects and occurrences, how much do you think something needs to be tested on? You have the worst logic on this. [editline]13th April 2011[/editline] was your method of research just hitting yourself with whatever book had the info in it and just hoping that's how you learn things? Care to explain how i'm dumb Mr. Someguy? Am I dumb because I outlined why prohibition of anything is bad or because I disagree with you on a "moral" issue?
[QUOTE=Rubs10;29155929]I've been doing my own marijuana research and my studies conclude that there are no drugs to help treat marijuana addiction. So how about they start with researching that drug before they put marijuana on the market, hm? Also, I don't care what you put in your body to feel good, whether it be food, alcohol, smokes or any other drugs, what I am concerned about though, is whether you know what you're doing to yourself or how it effects the people around you. A rather similar reasoning applies to not letting kids make major choices, as they may not know what they're doing to themselves. There are a few exception to that when applied to adults, but it has similar reasoning. Only reason alcohol got unbanned was because it was the most widely used substance. Personally, I don't think you have a very good reason for having marijuana unbanned, which is why I doubt anything you say on the subject.[/QUOTE] People deprived of marijuana do not go through physical withdrawal, so it is a non-addictive substance. I think it's up to the user to realize what they're doing. The information is available and if you're unsure about the risks, don't buy it or smoke it. Kids aren't going to make any choices because y'know you have to be 18 (or 21 depending on the age they would make it) to buy it. Alcohol was unbanned because it gave birth to massive criminal underground markets. Al Capone essentially ran Chicago for eight years or so. Alcohol poisoning went up by about 600%, everything got worse under prohibition. Not to mention if it was unbanned because of its wide use, about half of Canada has used it at some point and 100 million Americans have also used it at some point, 20 million annually. You're pretty bad at this and I think it's you who doesn't have a very good reason to keep marijuana prohibited, which is why I doubt anything you say on the subject.
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