[QUOTE=Kigen;42277825]Pyongyang is designed only to be a Disney land for the Kim dynasty.[/QUOTE]
Considering that Pyongyang has a population density of around 1,178 persons per square kilometer, it's clearly more then a simple fun park.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42277822]He's getting criticism because North Korea is fucking [i]terrible[/i] and it's blatantly fucking obvious.[/QUOTE]
While the DPRK is most certainly flawed, over all i consider it preferable to Australia.
The only thing about the DPRK i would consider terrible is its ideology.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42277822]I mean I thought it was painfully easy for everyone to see that the DPRK is not a nice place[/QUOTE]
Western media makes any nation that refuses to "play ball" with the US, look like a terrible nation.
Completely removing any passable political pressures, its in their financial interests to do so.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42277822] I mean, if you want a socialist alternative he could have went with Cuba[/QUOTE]
I quite like Cuba, despite its climate.
however unlike the DPRK i don't have any connections with Cuba's government.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42277822](not like it matters, Cuba's education system is leaps and bounds ahead of fucking North Korea, so I'm sure they'd work with him)[/QUOTE]
The DPRK has a 99% literacy rate, education is a central tenant of Juche ideology.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42277822]Maybe he just has a thing for Asians[/QUOTE]
While this is quite besides the point, yes i do.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42277822]Vietnam's opening up to the West[/QUOTE]
Vietnam is probably the most heartbreaking victim of revisionism to me, that nation has such a proud history of resiting the forces of imperialism.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42277822]and the unfortunate climate of Laos[/QUOTE]
Laos is not much better then Vietnam, even before you factor in it's climate.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42277822]All of that aside, I find it odd he's picked the DPRK of all places to go to[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42277822]North Korea was the only one left.[/QUOTE]
I picked the DPRK for a number of reasons:
It's strong anti-imperialist/capitalist/American stance.
It still has worker managed workplaces to some extant.
It's nice cold climate.
It's culture and general "flow" is much more identifiable for me.
I feel that the DPRK has the more unrealized potential compared to Cuba.
And the way the DPRK is organized is much more inline with the Soviet Union, compared to Cuba.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;42278844]The death of socialism and communism[/QUOTE]
Communism in an industrialized nation never existed to begin with.
Also the death of Socialism in China or the Soviet Union came well before a fast food restaurant opened.
Rayhalo.
Communism is dead.
North Korea is eating itself.
Give up.
Seriously. Capitalism may have a lot of deep flaws and problems, but it is about 7.1 billion times better than what places like North Korea does and others have tried and failed with. There is literally nothing redeeming about it. If you could just stop and think about it for any length of time and actually consider that you might be wrong, you'd realize this and hate yourself for every having bought in to it. And if not you are seriously, legitimately, deeply unwell.
I think we can all just agree that he's a little fucked in the head and move on. He doesn't understand reality.
Rayhalo is that character in fiction who always supports the empire even when they're sitting his friends and family on a Judas Cradle.
[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42278955]
Communism in an industrialized nation never existed to begin with.
Also the death of Socialism in China or the Soviet Union came well before a fast food restaurant opened.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever wondered why Communism has never really blossomed in places where the workers are educated and enjoy industrialization? Like it always appears in ass backwards places that don't even have capitalism and its always lead by a select few elite intellectuals, not the workers themselves.
I have it on good authority that RAYHALO is actually a lizard army who have taken on human form to do the bidding of the New World Order.
I can't believe the shit that I just read.
[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42278955]While the DPRK is most certainly flawed, over all i consider it preferable to Australia.
The only thing about the DPRK i would consider terrible is its ideology.[/QUOTE]That's... that's all it has going for it, the ideology. Otherwise it's just some warlord terrorizing his people, and the fact that you admit that the ideology is terrible, yet you still wish to move there makes me question how hard you've really looked at the DPRK.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42278955]Western media makes any nation that refuses to "play ball" with the US, look like a terrible nation.
Completely removing any passable political pressures, its in their financial interests to do so.[/QUOTE]Plenty of countries refuse to play ball with the United States and, yet, our media doesn't rake them over the coals as much as North Korea. Even non-western media has been severely critical of the DPRK, so that point doesn't hold up to even minor scrutiny. You've admitted that the DPRK has struggled with several things, so [i]clearly[/i] everything the bourgeois imperialists say isn't all bullshit.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42278955]I quite like Cuba, despite its climate.
however unlike the DPRK i don't have any connections with Cuba's government.[/QUOTE]Maybe you should seriously change that, or analyze why you want to move to the DPRK. I'll be getting to that in a bit.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42278955]The DPRK has a 99% literacy rate, education is a central tenant of Juche ideology.[/QUOTE]Oh, yes, literacy rates are great and all but how much education are North Koreans really getting? Defectors (and their children) need to go back to school because they find that the DPRK's education program does not compare with the rest of the world. Meanwhile, in Cuba, they don't have that problem at all. This is what I was getting at about ideologies, they're great in theory but practice is what matters. Juche philosophy is essentially about self-reliance, building a strong country, etc etc but in practice, none of these things have actually happened.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42278955]While this is quite besides the point, yes i do.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I know how you feel. to be honest, I've recently developed a strange habit of watching videos about North Korea and trying to locate sexually attractive women in the background. I have noticed that North Korean men are more handsome and rugged looking than South Koreans. You're right though, that's entirely beside the point and I added it to add a humorous segue into the topics of Vietnam and Laos.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42278955]Vietnam is probably the most heartbreaking victim of revisionism to me, that nation has such a proud history of resiting the forces of imperialism.[/QUOTE]See, that's where I think you're drinking a bit too much of the anti-imperialism kool-aid. They're not revising anything, they're just opening up a bit because being isolated sucks. Looking at their northern neighbor and seeing the success that's happened there, they probably figured it was worth a shot.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42278955]I picked the DPRK for a number of reasons:[/QUOTE]I'll respond to these individually.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42278955]It's strong anti-imperialist/capitalist/American stance.[/QUOTE]I think you've thought a lot about this but didn't really put it into perspective with reality. Imperialism is dead, it won't be revived as we knew it, and "cultural imperialism" is a stupid term and a stupid concept. Capitalism is going to be around for a long, long time and socialist states are going to adapt to it (as they've already done) or cease to exist. As for your anti-American stance, I'm not sure if that's because of xenophobia, or what, but it doesn't matter. As a superpower, the United States is beginning to fade away and won't be dominating the world stage anymore.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42278955]It still has worker managed workplaces to some extant.[/QUOTE]You want worker-managed workplaces? Move to a commune, at least then you can back out if you don't like it. Going to the DPRK is a one-way trip.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42278955]It's nice cold climate.[/QUOTE]I can definitely get behind this, I hate extremely hot weather.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42278955]It's culture and general "flow" is much more identifiable for me.[/QUOTE]What culture, though? There's nothing that stands out to me, it's all artificial and gray, and doesn't feel "alive." My perception of culture is what defines a group of people, their very essence, and it's a natural thing that springs up. North Korea is strange because it's culture is so... fake, it's bland, there's nothing about it that says "I love life, here's why!" I would say that it's just a gigantic hive of human ants, but I feel that ants have more of a defined culture than the tacky, fake DPRK propaganda machine has provided. You probably see something quite different, and you probably disagree with me, but I'm just not seeing it.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42278955]I feel that the DPRK has the more unrealized potential compared to Cuba.[/QUOTE]Oh, yeah, but unfortunately the current regime is pretty much halting that potential from being realized. You mentioned it's anti-American stance before as a reason you picked the DPRK. See, here's the thing about Cuba, they've done [i]a [b]lot[/b] more[/i] than the DPRK to fuck with the United States. In fact, Cuba was potentially ground-zero of the first shots of World War III, like, nuclear apocalypse type shots. Cuba has a lot of 1950's cars because we still have a trade embargo against them and we're [i]still[/i] pissed (well, the government is) about that whole missile crisis thing. Cuba has gone out of it's way just to screw with us on occasion and yet, we've done pretty much jack shit about it. If we wanted to, we could crush Cuba as fast as we could crush the DPRK, but... we don't. In fact, Cuba's an example of that whole "Red Scare" thing's worst nightmares come true, communism right on America's doorstep! Oh no! Adding insult to injury, Cuba's managed to stay afloat and [i]thrive[/i] while all the little developing countries that went red (well most) and even the big, bad Soviet Union have crumbled.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42278955]And the way the DPRK is organized is much more inline with the Soviet Union, compared to Cuba.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure how this is a positive thing, the Stalinist-era Soviet Union (which the DPRK is based on pretty much directly) was terrible shit. You've [i]admitted[/i] that it was terrible shit.
[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42273701]The Gold Coast is indeed a nice place to live if you enjoy.
1. Rampant consumerism
2. False consciousness
3. Hooliganism[/QUOTE]
Being a consumer is fun as fuck though. I'm also proud to be a bogan gunning a personalised-plate, lime green Holden Commodore (with added spoiler) down the A1 at 140km/h with my mates Barry and Gazza who are drunk as fuck on Guinness.
rayhalo's idealistic views on north korea might be misguided and a bit silly but at least he hasn't just given in to the meaningless materialistic slavery of the western world
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42279565]rayhalo's idealistic views on north korea might be misguided and a bit silly but at least he hasn't just given in to the meaningless materialistic slavery of the western world[/QUOTE]
Nice satire dude.
rayhalo is an idiot because north korea is probably one of the worst shitholes in the world but for all it's pretensions the western world isn't so amazing. for all our liberality and technology and democracy and all that crap we still have so many living in poverty and so much shittyness within our political institutions. life has basically been reduced to a materialistic rat race and hedonistic nihilism about ever making anything better
RayHalo, if you love the DPRK so much then fuck off there and never come back. :v:
that's what he's trying to do
Excellent.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42279630]rayhalo is an idiot because north korea is probably one of the worst shitholes in the world but for all it's pretensions the western world isn't so amazing. for all our liberality and technology and democracy and all that crap we still have so many living in poverty and so much shittyness within our political institutions. life has basically been reduced to a materialistic rat race and hedonistic nihilism about ever making anything better[/QUOTE]It's actually quite nice if you give exactly zero fucks about any of that and accept that other people's behaviors are not your concern. You can't change anyone, so all you can really do is hope they follow your example.
RAYHALO
talk to someone seriously get your mind checked, you might have been brainwashed
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42279527]That's... that's all it has going for it, the ideology. Otherwise it's just some warlord terrorizing his people, and the fact that you admit that the ideology is terrible, yet you still wish to move there makes me question how hard you've really looked at the DPRK.[/QUOTE]
Well quite clearly after study and reflection, i determined that the DPRK has quite a number of things going for it.
I don't see how a Nationalistic and all-together intellectually bankrupt ideology is a positive.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42279527]Plenty of countries refuse to play ball with the United States and, yet, our media doesn't rake them over the coals as much as North Korea. Even non-western media has been severely critical of the DPRK, so that point doesn't hold up to even minor scrutiny. You've admitted that the DPRK has struggled with several things, so [i]clearly[/i] everything the bourgeois imperialists say isn't all bullshit.[/QUOTE]
I quite readily admit that the DPRK has it's problems and has made a number of mistakes, however the outright lies or distortions presented by bourgeois media are bullshit.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42279527]See, that's where I think you're drinking a bit too much of the anti-imperialism kool-aid. They're not revising anything, they're just opening up a bit because being isolated sucks. Looking at their northern neighbor and seeing the success that's happened there, they probably figured it was worth a shot.[/QUOTE]
Both China and Vietnam have been under the thumb of revisionists for quite some time, regardless of how you want to spin it; the proletariat of these nations no-longer control the means of production.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42279527]Imperialism is dead[/QUOTE]
Simply ridiculous.
The American led conflicts in the middle east alone are quite clear evidence of modern Imperialism.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42279527]it won't be revived as we knew it, and "cultural imperialism" is a stupid term and a stupid concept.[/QUOTE]
And what of the economic imperialism inflicted upon third world nations by the west?
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42279527]As for your anti-American stance, I'm not sure if that's because of xenophobia, or what, but it doesn't matter. As a superpower, the United States is beginning to fade away and won't be dominating the world stage anymore.[/QUOTE]
My deep hatred of America does not come from petty xenophobia or nationalism.
Instead it comes from Americas place as the premier empire of the modern age.
Simply put; if capitalism is hell, then America is Satan.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42279527]What culture, though? There's nothing that stands out to me, it's all artificial and gray, and doesn't feel "alive." My perception of culture is what defines a group of people, their very essence, and it's a natural thing that springs up. North Korea is strange because it's culture is so... fake, it's bland, there's nothing about it that says "I love life, here's why!" I would say that it's just a gigantic hive of human ants, but I feel that ants have more of a defined culture than the tacky, fake DPRK propaganda machine has provided. You probably see something quite different, and you probably disagree with me, but I'm just not seeing it.[/QUOTE]
I think it certainly understandable to not quite grasp or like the culture of the DPRK, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I see the culture of the DPRK as a fusion of historical Korean culture and the "modernism" of a circa 1960s Moscow.
To me the culture of the DPRK is as if you were to combine the very best elements of USSR culture and combine it with a rather traditionalistic and conservative nation.
I guess one of the things i love about the culture of the DPRK is that its the closest we still have to the USSR at its greatest.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42279527]Oh, yeah, but unfortunately the current regime is pretty much halting that potential from being realized. You mentioned it's anti-American stance before as a reason you picked the DPRK. See, here's the thing about Cuba, they've done [i]a [b]lot[/b] more[/i] than the DPRK to fuck with the United States. In fact, Cuba was potentially ground-zero of the first shots of World War III, like, nuclear apocalypse type shots. Cuba has a lot of 1950's cars because we still have a trade embargo against them and we're [i]still[/i] pissed (well, the government is) about that whole missile crisis thing. Cuba has gone out of it's way just to screw with us on occasion and yet, we've done pretty much jack shit about it. If we wanted to, we could crush Cuba as fast as we could crush the DPRK, but... we don't. In fact, Cuba's an example of that whole "Red Scare" thing's worst nightmares come true, communism right on America's doorstep! Oh no! Adding insult to injury, Cuba's managed to stay afloat and [i]thrive[/i] while all the little developing countries that went red (well most) and even the big, bad Soviet Union have crumbled.[/QUOTE]
But what can Cuba really do, apart from getting back on track with Communism?
The DPRK has the potential to not only revert to Communism, but to rebuild a united Korea and give the proletariat of the world back the spark it lost with the collapse of the Eastern Bloc.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42279527]I'm not sure how this is a positive thing, the Stalinist-era Soviet Union (which the DPRK is based on pretty much directly) was terrible shit. You've [i]admitted[/i] that it was terrible shit.[/QUOTE]
The USSR was far from perfect and made a number of mistakes.
However i still love it, or at the very least the ideals and accomplishments of it.
Also i would like to thank you for your polite and well reasoned response, this is the kind of discussion that i was hoping to have.
[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42279924]
I quite readily admit that the DPRK has it's problems and has made a number of mistakes, [B]however the outright lies or distortions presented by bourgeois media are bullshit.[/B]
[/QUOTE]
lol prove it
but you have ignored me so :(
ussr accomplishments, are you fucked in the head?
I never understand how did you guys find this funny.
[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42279924]Well quite clearly after study and reflection, i determined that the DPRK has quite a number of things going for it.
I don't see how a Nationalistic and all-together intellectually bankrupt ideology is a positive.[/QUOTE]That's exactly what the DPRK is though. They're fiercely nationalistic, they have a very dedicated cult of personality around their dynastic leaders, and the Juche philosophy they laid out? They have a ways to go before following it, and really, what we see now is just a long-winded way of saying "we hate America for making us lose the war, so we must do everything we can in the vain hope we will demolish them someday."[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42279924]I quite readily admit that the DPRK has it's problems and has made a number of mistakes, however the outright lies or distortions presented by bourgeois media are bullshit.[/QUOTE]Could you name some? As far as a propaganda battle goes, it's the DPRK vs most of the world with a select few countries being pretty mute about it, namely China. You also cite the state-run news agency of North Korea as legitimate, when clearly, what it shows to it's people and what it shows to the world is very, [i]very[/i] different. I find a major issue with that, and while I trust other news sources over the DPRK news agency, I don't trust them [i]completely.[/i] I'm highly skeptical of a lot of things, especially mainstream media.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42279924]Both China and Vietnam have been under the thumb of revisionists for quite some time, regardless of how you want to spin it; the proletariat of these nations no-longer control the means of production.[/QUOTE]... But the DPRK is the exact same. Implied control is not direct control, and being able to say, "yes, we will run this factory this way" only means so much if you have men with guns who will cart you off to some dark hole in the ground if you choose wrong. Make no mistake, the DPRK would not live up to the scrutiny of Marx.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42279924]Simply ridiculous.
The American led conflicts in the middle east alone are quite clear evidence of modern Imperialism.[/QUOTE]Modern imperialism being implied corporate pressure to invade a country for the oil, right? Yeah, I'm familiar with the line, but I don't buy it anymore. Even if that were true, it's no more imperialistic than the forced spread of socialism to countries that didn't want it. That fits the bill of imperialism much more closely, right down to raising a foreigner's flag of oppression over bloody soil.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42279924]And what of the economic imperialism inflicted upon third world nations by the west?[/QUOTE]A side-effect of unchecked corporatism and apathy by the global community. I would say, "oh, you didn't hear about that back when capitalism was true capitalism," but then I remembered that thing about the bananas, so yeah... Either way, economic imperialism is much more easily fought than [i]actual[/i] imperialism, and you did quote me talking about that idiotic "cultural imperialism" buzzword that's sometimes thrown about.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42279924]My deep hatred of America does not come from petty xenophobia or nationalism.
Instead it comes from Americas place as the premier empire of the modern age.
Simply put; if capitalism is hell, then America is Satan.[/QUOTE]Why, though? Even if we were 100% isolationist, kept to ourselves, I have a feeling you'd still hate the United States. I'm of the opinion that you really, really don't like capitalism and you need a face, an entity, for that.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42279924]I think it certainly understandable to not quite grasp or like the culture of the DPRK, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I see the culture of the DPRK as a fusion of historical Korean culture and the "modernism" of a circa 1960s Moscow.
To me the culture of the DPRK is as if you were to combine the very best elements of USSR culture and combine it with a rather traditionalistic and conservative nation.
I guess one of the things i love about the culture of the DPRK is that its the closest we still have to the USSR at its greatest.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, the rather interesting and engaging culture that existed before the DPRK was purposely demolished. That's the natural order of things, cultures change, civilizations rise from the ashes of the dead ones, but what you describe is not what I see at all. I see something that reminds me of the decay of the 1980's USSR, mixed with the terror of the 1930's.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42279924]But what can Cuba really do, apart from getting back on track with Communism?
The DPRK has the potential to not only revert to Communism, but to rebuild a united Korea and give the proletariat of the world back the spark it lost with the collapse of the Eastern Bloc.[/QUOTE]You won't get that with a united Korea, though. I don't think you'll get even that spark, honestly, because being the same as everyone else sucks. Economic disparity, even a minor one, is a good thing, so as long as everyone has what they need and doesn't starve. Diversity in our species, in our cultures, is something that I think enables us to progress as rapidly as we have and will continue to do. Communism was a nice idea when it was thought up, but really, every time it's been practiced has led to pain, suffering, and ultimately failed states. For what, really? So the proletariat can throw off the shackles of oppression laid on them by the ruling class, only to become slaves to mediocrity? I realize you desperately want the whole communism thing to work and to happen, but you need to pick a [i]real[/i] winner to get you there. Quite simply, the DPRK is not the horse to bet on, it's sickly, weak, has a mean streak, and it's probably a little bit retarded.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42279924]The USSR was far from perfect and made a number of mistakes.
However i still love it, or at the very least the ideals and accomplishments of it.[/QUOTE]I've said the same thing about my first car, so I can understand how you feel.[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42279924]Also i would like to thank you for your polite and well reasoned response, this is the kind of discussion that i was hoping to have.[/QUOTE]You're welcome.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42279565]rayhalo's idealistic views on north korea might be misguided and a bit silly but at least he hasn't just given in to the meaningless materialistic slavery of the western world[/QUOTE]
I love this post for the wrong reasons
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42280889]That's exactly what the DPRK is though. They're fiercely nationalistic, they have a very dedicated cult of personality around their dynastic leaders, and the Juche philosophy they laid out? They have a ways to go before following it, and really, what we see now is just a long-winded way of saying "we hate America for making us lose the war, so we must do everything we can in the vain hope we will demolish them someday."[/QUOTE]
There is much more to Ireland then leprechauns, more to Italy then pizza and there is much more to the DPRK then petty nationalism and an anti-American sentiment.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42280889]Could you name some?[/QUOTE]
Just off of the top of my head:
1. stating that the DPRK believes in unicorns
2. stating that DPRK citizens do not possess phones
3. claiming that a satellite image of a collective farm was a "death camp"
4. claiming that the DPRK executed a man with a mortar
5. claiming that Kim Chol was executed
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42280889]... But the DPRK is the exact same. Implied control is not direct control, and being able to say, "yes, we will run this factory this way" only means so much if you have men with guns who will cart you off to some dark hole in the ground if you choose wrong. Make no mistake[/QUOTE]
...But the DPRK does have at least limited worker control.
The workers at a factory will have influence over how that factory is run and the production quota is set by the local Peoples Assembly.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42280889]the DPRK would not live up to the scrutiny of Marx.[/QUOTE]
The DPRK is only Socialistic in nature, given the sad state of the modern world the best i could hope for is a vaguely socialistic nation.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42280889]Modern imperialism being implied corporate pressure to invade a country for the oil, right? Yeah, I'm familiar with the line, but I don't buy it anymore. Even if that were true[/QUOTE]
simply invading a nation to gain control of resources, while still imperialism is not really how America has chosen to build its empire; historically anyway.
Historically America has favored overthrowing a nations government and implementing an American friendly one, opening a stable market for American corporations to expand to and exploit.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42280889]it's no more imperialistic than the forced spread of socialism to countries that didn't want it. That fits the bill of imperialism much more closely, right down to raising a foreigner's flag of oppression over bloody soil.[/QUOTE]
Clearly not how America operates.
[IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xOVwV-bH6OY/UYvfs19FqPI/AAAAAAAAAmA/PSNhw0tjVro/s1600/US+Military+Bases+around+Iran.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42280889]Why, though? Even if we were 100% isolationist, kept to ourselves, I have a feeling you'd still hate the United States. I'm of the opinion that you really, really don't like capitalism and you need a face, an entity, for that.[/QUOTE]
fair, however i think you also need to account for the atrocities that America itself has committed.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42280889]being the same as everyone else sucks.[/QUOTE]
Which is why being a worker under capitalism is horrid.
Under capitalism a worker is simply reduced to the value that they can create for the capitalist; wage-slave#9768965
Under Communism, a worker is free to pursue a job that they enjoy.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42280889]Economic disparity, even a minor one, is a good thing, so as long as everyone has what they need and doesn't starve.[/QUOTE]
Personally i consider that statement rather monstrous, i don't understand how a person could display such a lack of empathy.
Rayhalo.
are you for real?
Hahaha. You realize that North Korea has a few rich people compared to the huge amount of poverty thus making the disparity so very big.
Jesus christ man, I hope that you aren't serious...
[quote]Under capitalism a worker is simply reduced to the value that they can create for the capitalist; wage-slave#9768965
Under Communism, a worker is free to pursue a job that they enjoy.[/quote]
Oh yeah, you don't go to studies YOU want but no the EVIL CAPTITALISM PIGS MAKE YOU CHOOSE YOU STUDY.
Also, someone has to do the lesser jobs and if nobody wants that then society collaspes.
I have come to the conclusion he must be trolling.
There is no way anyone can be that stupid.
[QUOTE=RAYHALO;42279924]
The USSR was far from perfect and made a number of mistakes.
However i still love it, or at the very least the ideals and accomplishments of it.[/QUOTE]
The USSR was a way better fucking system then NK, and more interesting too
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42279630]for all it's pretensions the western world isn't so amazing. for all our liberality and technology and democracy and all that crap we still have so many living in poverty and so much shittyness within our political institutions.[/quote]
It's the least worst system we have to date. I'm happy that I live in such a world.
[quote]life has basically been reduced to a materialistic rat race and hedonistic nihilism about ever making anything better[/QUOTE]
This is the sort of wank philosophy bullshit where some old guy writes a book about how peoples lives are better than before, but at what cost to our morals and ideals and spirituality and faith.
Fact is, life is never better than before. If going by improvements in living standards, health, medical, education, social progress as women rise, better treatment of the invalids and poor, improving access to education, improving media overall, then the world is a much better place.
Out of the past 150,000 years of the human, now is the best possible time to be one.
So I'm looking at the KFA official page.
[QUOTE]The main objectives of the KFA are:
- Show the reality of the DPR Korea to the world
- Defend the independence and socialist construction in the DPR of Korea
- Learn from the culture and history of the Korean People - Work for the peaceful unification of the Korean peninsula
[/QUOTE]
[I]That's not "connections in the country". Those are a bunch of representatives paid to tell you that North Korea is a good place. They are PR guys for the country.[/I]
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