• Key UN panel urges US to reject racist hate speech, crimes
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[url]https://www.apnews.com/621675b275be4881bfc2a75ec4d113da[/url] [quote]A top U.N. body on racial discrimination has taken an unusual step in calling on the United States to “unequivocally and unconditionally” reject racist hate speech and crimes following a far-right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. Without specifically referring to President Donald Trump, the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination pointed to “the failure at the highest political level to unequivocally reject racist violent events” in the U.S.[/quote]
Reject all violence. Not just those related to racists. We are a society built on laws. Not anarchy that would allow violence just because one's views are vile.
[QUOTE=Kigen;52604463]Reject all violence. Not just those related to racists. We are a society built on laws. Not anarchy that would allow violence just because one's views are vile.[/QUOTE] Nobody is suggesting otherwise. However, President Trump seems to be having trouble specifically condemning violence relating to Nazis and White Supremacists. In spite of an honest-to-god Right Wing terrorist attack against peaceful counter-protesters, he has repeatedly insisted on assigning half of the blame to the victims, and that there was violence on, "Many sides! Many sides!" The correct answer to, "do you condemn the Nazi terrorist attack that took place this weekend?" is not, "well, liberals do bad stuff too!"
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52604532]Nobody is suggesting otherwise. However, President Trump seems to be having trouble specifically condemning violence relating to Nazis and White Supremacists. In spite of an honest-to-god Right Wing terrorist attack against peaceful counter-protesters, he has repeatedly insisted on assigning half of the blame to the victims, and that there was violence on, "Many sides! Many sides!" The correct answer to, "do you condemn the Nazi terrorist attack that took place this weekend?" is not, "well, liberals do bad stuff too!"[/QUOTE] And the politically correct answer to "who do you denounce?" is only "Nazis/white supremacists" from what I've seen and experienced. Denounce any violence from antifa and you get labeled a "nazi sympathizer" or "racist." I found nothing wrong with denouncing all violence by Trump. But others have, and I feel this country is just going down the path of polarized politics. One post on Facebook I saw summarizes this requirement to specifically condemn the nazis/white supremacists. And that was this image (w/out the twitter part). [t]https://i.redd.it/noh0q2wqhxfz.jpg[/t] Basically it condemns the people who don't sit on antifa's or the nazis' side. With both sides seeing if your not one of them then you are the enemy. In my neck of the woods antifa were attacking a BLM protester that didn't support them. [media]https://twitter.com/UncleChangNYC/status/899373007621246976[/media] I see both the nazis (nationalist socialists) and antifa (anarcho-communists) being the opposite side of the same coin. Both are collectivist that fight against the very ideals this country was founded on. And I hope both get prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law if caught committing violence. I don't see either as being worse than the other; I see them both being evil organizations that need to be prevented from tearing this country apart. p.s., I hate having to make this disclaimer, but people will assume my motivations. I don't like Trump. I didn't vote for him and don't think he should be President. But sometimes criticism of certain actions he makes is just based on politics. Not because those actions were bad.
Yet, Antifa was not the group that committed a fatal terrorist attack that weekend. I don't support the bullshit that they pull either, but this false equivalence nonsense needs to go out the window. "Antifa is just as bad," is not an appropriate (or accurate) response to, "a Nazi terrorist just rammed his vehicle into a crowd of peaceful counter protestors, injuring nearly two dozen, and murdering a young woman."
[QUOTE=Kigen;52605097]And the politically correct answer to "who do you denounce?" is only "Nazis/white supremacists" from what I've seen and experienced. Denounce any violence from antifa and you get labeled a "nazi sympathizer" or "racist."[/QUOTE] Do we have to do this everytime? First off it isn't true, most people don't like antifa in general and even more would happily denounce violence committed on their part - so I'm not sure where this idea that you'd be called a nazi sympathizer or racist for denouncing them comes from?? At most you'll have people say that blm and antifa aren't as bad as neo-nazis but that's nowhere near the same and I'd be willing to admit that's a reasonable statement. (Yes, ofcourse there are people who actually do call others racists and nazis for no reason at all, but that's mostly unimportant extremists on twitter) [editline]23rd August 2017[/editline] Btw just to be clear, I'm not calling you a racist or a nazi sympathiser.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52604532]Nobody is suggesting otherwise. However, President Trump seems to be having trouble specifically condemning violence relating to Nazis and White Supremacists. In spite of an honest-to-god Right Wing terrorist attack against peaceful counter-protesters, he has repeatedly insisted on assigning half of the blame to the victims, and that there was violence on, "Many sides! Many sides!" The correct answer to, "do you condemn the Nazi terrorist attack that took place this weekend?" is not, "well, liberals do bad stuff too!"[/QUOTE] yes because the antifa left wing nutjobs who supposedly dumped acid on someone are also somehow not bad??? [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52605133] "Antifa is just as bad," is not an appropriate (or accurate) response to, "a Nazi terrorist just rammed his vehicle into a crowd of peaceful counter protestors, injuring nearly two dozen, and murdering a young woman."[/QUOTE] Except you're shifting the goalpost here! NOBODY has said that they're just as bad, but both sides need to be condemned. We shouldn't just demonize one side and ignore the other like it doesn't exist because IT DOES.
[QUOTE=space1;52606027] NOBODY has said that they're just as bad[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Kigen;52605097]I don't see either as being worse than the other; I see them both being evil organizations that need to be prevented from tearing this country apart.[/QUOTE]
Well in the grand scheme of things, yes their ideologies are just as toxic as eachother(In that they both target those that don't agree with them). From a sole violence perspective, the white nationalist/nazi crowd typically tend to do more of that.
[QUOTE=space1;52606220]Well in the grand scheme of things, yes their ideologies are just as toxic as eachother(In that they both target those that don't agree with them). From a sole violence perspective, the white nationalist/nazi crowd typically tend to do more of that.[/QUOTE] Political violence is not exclusive to the right, it's just [I]more[/I] of an issue with the right. I condemn all political violence, but I recognize that right-wing extremist violence is a far more concerning issue than groups like Antifa, who have literally killed [I]nobody[/I]. This is like saying "everyone should have clean water" in response to people complaining about the Flint water crisis. Yes, they should, I agree. Everyone agrees. But Flint is a higher priority than reducing the fluoride in the tap water of a wealthy suburb of LA from 1.5ppm to the safer level of 0.7ppm. Or, for the classic fire truck example - one house is on fire, the rest of the houses on the block are fine, and the fireman says "we need to be fair and spray down [I]all[/I] the houses." This is why people get enormously frustrated when centrists say "but [I]all[/I] lives matter" or when they say "[I]all[/I] violence is bad." Like, yeah, no shit. Nobody's saying otherwise. But most people recognize that smashing windows and knocking over trash cans is not even comparable to inciting a terrorist attack and ramming your car into a group of protesters.
[QUOTE=space1;52606027]yes because the antifa left wing nutjobs who supposedly dumped acid on someone are also somehow not bad???[/quote] I say, "The correct answer to, '[I]do you condemn the Nazi terrorist attack that took place this weekend?[/I]' is not, '[I]well, liberals do bad stuff too![/I]'" And you say, "[I]well, liberals do bad stuff too!"[/I] Very nice. Solid. [quote]Except you're shifting the goalpost here! NOBODY has said that they're just as bad, but both sides need to be condemned. We shouldn't just demonize one side and ignore the other like it doesn't exist because IT DOES.[/QUOTE] I have never said otherwise. Ever. What I said was that responding to a fatal terrorist attack at the hands of Nazis and White Supremacists by spreading the responsibility for that heinous shit around to "many sides" is horrifically inappropriate. Regardless of the violence that Antifa protesters have previously been responsible for, they were not the ones murdering people in the street that weekend. Out of 10,000+ counter protesters in Charlottesville, only 27 were arrested, most of which were for disorderly conduct and property damage. Vandalizing confederate monuments is not even on the same realm of condemnability to committing fatal terror attacks. The hell we witnessed in Charlottesville that weekend is not owed to "many sides," it is owed to the Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists, and most specifically to the psychopathic racists among their ranks who elected to [I]murder[/I] counter protesters. Yes. Antifa should be condemned when Antifa does bad shit. I will condemn, without reservation, violence perpetrated by Antifa. I'm unfamiliar with the acid attack you're referencing, but it sounds absolutely reprehensible, and I will give you an unqualified condemnation of that violence. I will not offer fucking apologetics for it. I will not say, [I]"well, what about the KKK? What about Nazis? They're bad, too!"[/I] I will say, full stop, [I]"that is absolutely sickening, and anybody who condones or supports that shit is condoning terrorism."[/I] Why is it so difficult for the President of the United States (or you, for that matter) to offer the same in regards to Neo-Nazis and the KKK? Why did the President delay for two days to offer [I]any[/I] kind of condemnation of the Nazi terrorist who drove a vehicle into a crowd of people, and when he finally did make a statement, he immediately amended the official statement to place half the blame on [I]the victims of the attack[/I]. Yet, he waited [B]less than two hours[/B] to begin openly fantasizing on Twitter about fun ways to torture Muslims after an Islamic extremist did [I]the exact same thing[/I] in Barcelona?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52606619]Yes. Antifa should be condemned when Antifa does bad shit. I'm unfamiliar with the acid attack you're referencing, but it sounds absolutely reprehensible, and I will give you an unqualified condemnation of that violence. I will not offer fucking apologetics for it. I will not say, [I]"well, what about the KKK? What about Nazis? They're bad, too!"[/I] I will say, full stop, [I]"that is absolutely sickening, and anybody who condones or supports that shit is condoning terrorism."[/I][/Quote] Fucking [I]thank-you[/I] BDA. If I see one more closet Nazi on this goddamn forum spotting their horseshoe theory bullshit to avoid denouncing actual terrorists I think I'm going to pull my hair out.
Compare [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52606619]"[I]well, liberals do bad stuff too!"[/I].[/QUOTE] with [QUOTE=space1;52606027] but both sides need to be condemned. We shouldn't just demonize one side and ignore the other like it doesn't exist because IT DOES.[/QUOTE] Don't oversimplify what I'm saying.
[QUOTE=space1;52607217]Don't oversimplify what I'm saying.[/QUOTE] Except that's exactly what you said.
[QUOTE=space1;52606220]Well in the grand scheme of things, yes their ideologies are just as toxic as eachother(In that they both target those that don't agree with them).[/QUOTE] Um, Antifa targets people who don't agree with them, Nazis target people who don't agree with them [I]and[/I] people who simply happen to have the wrong skin color. I'd say the two aren't really equivalent.
[QUOTE=space1;52607217]Compare with Don't oversimplify what I'm saying.[/QUOTE] You know, Trump isn't some kind of enlightned "centrist" like yourself. He's got absolutely no problem with comndemnign Islamic terrorist attacks, even [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/19/sweden-trump-cites-non-existent-terror-attack"]when there are none[/URL]. But when it comes to calling out white nationalism and Nazism, it's suddenly about all the sides.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;52606358]Political violence is not exclusive to the right, it's just [I]more[/I] of an issue with the right. I condemn all political violence, but I recognize that right-wing extremist violence is a far more concerning issue than groups like Antifa, who have literally killed [I]nobody[/I]. This is like saying "everyone should have clean water" in response to people complaining about the Flint water crisis. Yes, they should, I agree. Everyone agrees. But Flint is a higher priority than reducing the fluoride in the tap water of a wealthy suburb of LA from 1.5ppm to the safer level of 0.7ppm. Or, for the classic fire truck example - one house is on fire, the rest of the houses on the block are fine, and the fireman says "we need to be fair and spray down [I]all[/I] the houses." This is why people get enormously frustrated when centrists say "but [I]all[/I] lives matter" or when they say "[I]all[/I] violence is bad." Like, yeah, no shit. Nobody's saying otherwise. But most people recognize that smashing windows and knocking over trash cans is not even comparable to inciting a terrorist attack and ramming your car into a group of protesters.[/QUOTE] I mean for weeks we're talking about one car attack driven by a [URL="http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/what-we-know-about-charlottesville-suspect-james-alex-fields.html"]schizophrenic[/URL]. I didn't know that before recently, it's completely omitted mostly. Probably could have done it without that, he seems messed up in a variety of ways, but why does no one mention that. It's just accepted that he's a mentally sound individual representing all the rest. If that's the case, then I'll find a violent counter protester and equate all counter protesters to him. I have no problem with Trump condemning all political violence like you. At the same time it just seems that you're minimizing what left does and maximizing what car nazi did. Sure he has the largest kill count at this event, but how can you say just knocking trash cans and smashing windows. They were sure as hell trying to maim. Some guy called [URL="https://twitter.com/bakedalaska/status/896831632564510721"]Baked Alaska[/URL] got acid thrown in his face, for example. Idk there are enough recent events that your comparison seemed funny. [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52606619]Why is it so difficult for the President of the United States (or you, for that matter) to offer the same in regards to Neo-Nazis and the KKK? Why did the President delay for two days to offer [I]any[/I] kind of condemnation of the Nazi terrorist who drove a vehicle into a crowd of people, and when he finally did make a statement, he immediately amended the official statement to place half the blame on [I]the victims of the attack[/I]. Yet, he waited [B]less than two hours[/B] to begin openly fantasizing on Twitter about fun ways to torture Muslims after an Islamic extremist did [I]the exact same thing[/I] in Barcelona?[/QUOTE] I'm not sure space1 is not offering the same in regards to neo-nazis and KKK? You seem to have a problem with Trump's timing. There's no problem of timing when discussing long post facto. Actually, Trump literally said he condemns all sides doing violence, so I'm not sure on what grounds you say that. Timing is the only problem. The only way I can rationalize it is that he doesn't want to embolden antifa. This was a PR disaster, so maybe he should have brought I condemn all violence in a smaller way not at the forefront. Though the media would have probably picked some way to flame him anyway. Recently, after Phoenix rally, Don Lemon and co at CNN were going on about how he didn't bring up many sides in his speech, so he's a deceiver and a liar, but when he brought it up earlier then he's a nazi sympathizer. So they'll hate him whatever he does. Might as well push some universal law at that point. About placing blame on victims. Why are you equating the victim to those doing violence? You're the one taking I blame both sides as I blame the victim, as if the protesters were an inseparable block. Was she antifa? Also, 27 arrests out of 10k protesters doesn't necessarily mean that was the proportion of those doing violence. We know that police was told to [URL="https://twitter.com/Barnes_Law/status/896520500339331076"]stand down[/URL]. [QUOTE=_Axel;52607297]Um, Antifa targets people who don't agree with them, Nazis target people who don't agree with them [I]and[/I] people who simply happen to have the wrong skin color. I'd say the two aren't really equivalent.[/QUOTE] Would [URL="http://nypost.com/2017/08/19/man-stabbed-after-haircut-gets-him-mistaken-for-a-neo-nazi/"]this[/URL] guy have been stabbed, if he wasn't white.
[QUOTE=space1;52607217]Compare with Don't oversimplify what I'm saying.[/QUOTE] And you're missing the point. Both sides are being condemned. Violence receives condemnation when it happens. Just because people are condemning the specific perpetrators of specific instances of violence, does not mean those same people are ignoring other, unrelated instances of violence. You don't have to keep issuing blanket condemnations of all violence that happens ever, and in fact, you probably shouldn't because it downplays individual actions.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52605133]Yet, Antifa was not the group that committed a fatal terrorist attack that weekend. I don't support the bullshit that they pull either, but this false equivalence nonsense needs to go out the window. "Antifa is just as bad," is not an appropriate (or accurate) response to, "a Nazi terrorist just rammed his vehicle into a crowd of peaceful counter protestors, injuring nearly two dozen, and murdering a young woman."[/QUOTE] Given Antifa's violent trend, I feel as if it's just a matter of time that someone from there ends up killing, whether intentional or not. Wouldn't it be better to curb that before it happens?
[QUOTE=space1;52607217]Compare with Don't oversimplify what I'm saying.[/QUOTE] What? I'm not. I said: [quote]The correct answer to, "do you condemn the Nazi terrorist attack that took place this weekend?" is not, "well, liberals do bad stuff too!"[/quote] You specifically quoted that and wrote, in direct response: [quote]yes because the antifa left wing nutjobs who supposedly dumped acid on someone are also somehow not bad???[/quote] [editline]24th August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52607936]Given Antifa's violent trend, I feel as if it's just a matter of time that someone from there ends up killing, whether intentional or not. Wouldn't it be better to curb that before it happens?[/QUOTE] When did I say that we should not ever condemn Antifa? I said that we should condemn Antifa when they do shit that demands condemnation. As it stands, they weren't the ones murdering people in the street in Charlottesville, so the context of the president's comments is extremely inappropriate and suspect. It is blatant apologetics for Nazis and White Supremacists.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52607936]Given Antifa's violent trend, I feel as if it's just a matter of time that someone from there ends up killing, whether intentional or not. Wouldn't it be better to curb that before it happens?[/QUOTE] But you do know that far-right terrorists like the Nazis or white supremacists have already killed plenty of people, right? Antifa needs to be stopped, sure, but they're not the ones wishing genocide just because of skin colour
[QUOTE=Omesh;52607817]I mean for weeks we're talking about one car attack driven by a [URL="http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/what-we-know-about-charlottesville-suspect-james-alex-fields.html"]schizophrenic[/URL]. I didn't know that before recently, it's completely omitted mostly. Probably could have done it without that, he seems messed up in a variety of ways, but why does no one mention that. It's just accepted that he's a mentally sound individual representing all the rest. If that's the case, then I'll find a violent counter protester and equate all counter protesters to him.[/quote] Replying to this point because everything else has already been discussed in triplicate: Are you implying that there is such a thing as a moderate Nazi of rational mind? Newsflash: extremist organizations attract the mentally ill like honey attracts flies. There is [I]no such thing[/I] as a moderate extremist. Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan are extremist organizations, and the violence that was perpetrated in Charlottesville was not only in line with their objectives and rhetoric, but [I]hailed by their supporters[/I] as a righteous blow against their enemies. By that very same token, your example of generalizing all protesters of any given group by only the actions of the most violent among them holds no merit whatsoever, [I]unless[/I] you are specifically talking about an extremist organization.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52608014]Replying to this point because everything else has already been discussed in triplicate: Are you implying that there is such a thing as a moderate Nazi of rational mind? Newsflash: extremist organizations attract the mentally ill like honey attracts flies. There is [I]no such thing[/I] as a moderate extremist. Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan are extremist organizations, and the violence that was perpetrated in Charlottesville was not only in line with their objectives and rhetoric, but [I]hailed by their supporters[/I] as a righteous blow against their enemies. By that very same token, your example of generalizing all protesters of any given group by only the actions of the most violent among them holds no merit whatsoever, [I]unless[/I] you are specifically talking about an extremist organization.[/QUOTE] To me there's certainly a difference between an ordinary extremist and a schizophrenic one. For all I know he might have not taken his anti-psychosis that day and then I don't know which of the two made him do it. A mentally healthy individual can be pushed to extremism by upbringing, as a reaction to something, to reach some goal and so on. That's a rational choice according to their values, situation and disagreeing with it doesn't make them insane. I have my own set of absolute values, but I'm just operating here with the moral relativism society has going on. I don't subscribe to the view that they are all the same and want to shoah minorities at once. There's subsets in all groups and I don't see why a non-civic nationalist must seek those actions. It's self defeating after all in the current world and that's not rational at all. Their goals can be approached by emigration policy, influencing birth rates and etc. Just as a sharia follower would want more muslims to adhere to it / bringing in more overall, but would not necessarily raise arms to enforce it. Same for anarchists and so on. About the last paragraph. You know, antifa is already a terrorist organization in one state. Are you saying I can treat them as their worst member?
[QUOTE=space1;52607217]Compare with Don't oversimplify what I'm saying.[/QUOTE] You can't really say "You oversimplified what I said" when you said exactly as much as that.
[QUOTE=Omesh;52608491]To me there's certainly a difference between an ordinary extremist and a schizophrenic one. For all I know he might have not taken his anti-psychosis that day and then I don't know which of the two made him do it. A mentally healthy individual can be pushed to extremism by upbringing, as a reaction to something, to reach some goal and so on. That's a rational choice according to their values, situation and disagreeing with it doesn't make them insane. I have my own set of absolute values, but I'm just operating here with the moral relativism society has going on.[/quote] Well then I hope that his mental state is taken into account during his sentencing and that he receives psychiatric care. I'm more concerned about the terrorist group that twisted him into a weapon than I am about him as an individual, because he sure as shit didn't just wake up one morning and say, "let's go kill a bunch of nigger-lovers," out of the blue. He supped on the rhetoric of Nazis because he was vulnerable, and became a terrorist himself. That's how extremist factions grow their influence, and it's why it is so important to silence them. [quote]I don't subscribe to the view that they are all the same and want to shoah minorities at once. There's subsets in all groups and I don't see why a non-civic nationalist must seek those actions. It's self defeating after all in the current world and that's not rational at all. Their goals can be approached by emigration policy, influencing birth rates and etc.[/quote] Then you fundamentally do not understand what you are talking about. You are completely and totally clueless as the tenants and ideologies of Nazis, and it's honestly embarassing to watch you flounder about asking for tolerance of "the moderates" in light of that. [quote]Just as a sharia follower would want more muslims to adhere to it / bringing in more overall, but would not necessarily raise arms to enforce it. Same for anarchists and so on.[/quote] Completely broken analogy. There is no parallel between your average Muslim and your average Nazi, because your average Nazi is a violent extremist, and your average Muslim is just a normal person. If you want to actually compare apples to apples, you have to pair Nazis with other violent, terroristic extremist groups like the Taliban or ISIS. [quote]About the last paragraph. You know, antifa is already a terrorist organization in one state. Are you saying I can treat them as their worst member?[/QUOTE] I'm not defending Antifa. I never have, and I never will. This line of argumentation is a waste of your time and everybody else's.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52608532]Well then I hope that his mental state is taken into account during his sentencing and that he receives psychiatric care. I'm more concerned about the terrorist group that twisted him into a weapon than I am about him as an individual, because he sure as shit didn't wake up one morning and say, "let's go kill a bunch of nigger-lovers." Then you fundamentally do not understand what you are talking about. You are completely and totally clueless as the tenants and ideologies of Nazis, and it's honestly embarassing to watch you flounder about asking for tolerance of "the moderates." Completely broken analogy. There is no parallel between your average Muslim and your average Nazi, because your average Nazi is a violent extremist, and your average Muslim is just a normal person. If you want to actually compare apples to apples, you have to pair Nazis with other violent, terroristic extremist groups like the Taliban or ISIS. I'm not defending Antifa. I never have, and I never will. This line of argumentation is a waste of your time and everybody else's.[/QUOTE] 1. Fair enough nothing to say there. 2. I'm not asking for anything. It's interesting that you can't conceive them having more nuance. People are arguing here that Trump is a crypto nazi all the time. Please argue against them like you did with me just now. PS: not once there did I say that they don't want removal of minorities (because in the end what's the difference how they're gone, but that still doesn't mean they must want to kill) or wouldn't shoah/deport when they're at power. 3. I'm not the one bringing up averages, I'm bringing up a nazi and a muslim who wants spread of sharia. It's broken according to the view that Islam is peace. No one of us is an authority to declare that either Medina or Mecca is correct. A nazi group comparable with Taliban or ISIS does not exist. 4. It's not about defending.
[QUOTE=Omesh;52607817]I mean for weeks we're talking about one car attack driven by a [URL="http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/what-we-know-about-charlottesville-suspect-james-alex-fields.html"]schizophrenic[/URL]. I didn't know that before recently, it's completely omitted mostly. Probably could have done it without that, he seems messed up in a variety of ways, but why does no one mention that. It's just accepted that he's a mentally sound individual representing all the rest. If that's the case, then I'll find a violent counter protester and equate all counter protesters to him. I have no problem with Trump condemning all political violence like you. At the same time it just seems that you're minimizing what left does and maximizing what car nazi did. Sure he has the largest kill count at this event, but how can you say just knocking trash cans and smashing windows. They were sure as hell trying to maim. Some guy called [URL="https://twitter.com/bakedalaska/status/896831632564510721"]Baked Alaska[/URL] got acid thrown in his face, for example. Idk there are enough recent events that your comparison seemed funny.[/QUOTE] Baked Alaska got maced, he didn't have acid thrown in his face. [editline]25th August 2017[/editline] Dude also tweets the 14 words unironically so excuse me if I have no sympathy for him. [media]https://twitter.com/bakedalaska/status/880239704758599680[/media]
I know I'm late to the party but can I just say that I love how space1 goes from [QUOTE=space1;52606027]NOBODY has said that they're just as bad[/QUOTE] to [QUOTE=space1;52606220]their ideologies are just as toxic as eachother[/QUOTE] in two posts.
The issue in my eyes isn't so much what is being said, but rather the context. There isn't anything wrong with criticising any extremist ideology - but what some people seem unable to realise is that it's not an appropriate response when you're asked to comment on the actions of an opposing ideology. Time and place springs to mind.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52611184]Baked Alaska got maced, he didn't have acid thrown in his face.[/QUOTE] My mistake. I must have conflated that with some acid attack another poster mentioned. I now remember that, but it was filled with something to be used against bears not humans.
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