• Police buy gear with seized money
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[QUOTE=_jesterk;35389673]If you want to do and sell hard drugs, I'm not stopping you, just saying that it's not good for you, or other people.[/QUOTE] But other people would try and stop me. The government wants to try and tell me exactly what I am allowed to do with my own body. If a person doesn't have control of their body, what rights do they really have?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35389800]But other people would try and stop me. The government wants to try and tell me exactly what I am allowed to do with my own body. If a person doesn't have control of their body, what rights do they really have?[/QUOTE] I don't know, to live their live how they want to, go wherever they want to, own whatever they want to, but clearly being banned from taking life-ruining drugs removes any amount of freedom we ever had. Clearly.
[QUOTE=smeismastger;35389457]Oh god what is going on this thread[/QUOTE] Money turned into durgz
Buy better gear to be safer? I don't see the problem.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;35390000]I don't know, to live their live how they want to, go wherever they want to, own whatever they want to, but clearly being banned from taking life-ruining drugs removes any amount of freedom we ever had. Clearly.[/QUOTE] Freedom of expression is one of our most fundamental freedoms, but we don't even have sovereignty over our own fucking body. How are we free if the government has the power to restrict your most fundamental freedoms?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35390054]Freedom of expression is one of our most fundamental freedoms, but we don't even have sovereignty over our own fucking body. How are we free if the government has the power to restrict your most fundamental freedoms?[/QUOTE] Are you serious? We are free to do nearly fucking anything with our body [I]besides kill ourselves with horrific drugs.[/I] Yeah, the man is totally keeping us down with all the basic human rights they've denied us, such as: drugs harmful to us and those around us are banned, and... wait, thats the only one, and its not a basic human right. Come back once you've grown out of your "FUK TEH PO-PO MAN DEY IS KEEPIN US DOWNNN ANARCHY FOREVAH MANNNN!!!!11" phase, please.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;35390112]Are you serious? We are free to do nearly fucking anything with our body [I]besides kill ourselves with horrific drugs.[/I] Yeah, the man is totally keeping us down with all the basic human rights they've denied us, such as: drugs harmful to us and those around us are banned, and... wait, thats the only one, and its not a basic human right. Come back once you've grown out of your "FUK TEH PO-PO MAN DEY IS KEEPIN US DOWNNN ANARCHY FOREVAH MANNNN!!!!11" phase, please.[/QUOTE] Alright, so you are in support of restricting video games and fast food then? I'm pretty sure that obesity contributes way more death and health issues than drugs every year. The health issues caused by video games and fast food are more horrific than drugs.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35390245]Alright, so you are in support of restricting video games and fast food then? I'm pretty sure that obesity contributes way more death and health issues than drugs every year. The health issues caused by video games and fast food are more horrific than drugs.[/QUOTE] But you can fix obesity by yourself. You can't just get up and say "Y'know what, I'm going to stop taking meth all the time".
Seriously guys, what is going on here.. way off topic
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;35390574]But you can fix obesity by yourself. You can't just get up and say "Y'know what, I'm going to stop taking meth all the time".[/QUOTE] Tell that to the people in hospitals with heart disease, diabetes, and high blood pressure. Tell it to the people who suffered from strokes due to their obesity. Yea, they can just fix themselves.
Weed is good for you, I smoke it 3 times a day and look at me I'm perfectly fine. we should legalize it.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;35390112] Come back once you've grown out of your "FUK TEH PO-PO MAN DEY IS KEEPIN US DOWNNN ANARCHY FOREVAH MANNNN!!!!11" phase, please.[/QUOTE] you're like 15, you can't really tell someone who's that much older to grow out of phases.
Yawmwen, do you think the FDA should be able to control what goes into the over-the-counter drugs you buy at the store? Cause by your logic that dealers aren't doing anything wrong, and the fact that dealers could be putting whatever they wanted into the drugs you buy, that means that by your idea nobody should ever be held accountable for what goes into over-the-counter drugs. To be clear, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with marijuana (cause I know that'll be the first thing people say to me, about marijuana being fine) cause I don't think there is, but with harder drugs like heroin and cocaine, this holds true. And you don't seem to be differentiating between dealers who deal marijuana and who deal harder drugs.
I'm fine with the legalization of recreational drugs. But, they should be regulated. Production facilities should be inspected and held to certain safety standards. And consumption should be safe as well. Safe injection sites and health education programs.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35389461]If both of us can back our claims with numbers, doesn't that imply that it's possible the effect legality has on drug use is negligible? [/QUOTE] Not negligible, because law enforcement does clearly work in targeted areas.
[QUOTE=trent_roolz;35391077]Yawmwen, do you think the FDA should be able to control what goes into the over-the-counter drugs you buy at the store? Cause by your logic that dealers aren't doing anything wrong, and the fact that dealers could be putting whatever they wanted into the drugs you buy, that means that by your idea nobody should ever be held accountable for what goes into over-the-counter drugs. To be clear, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with marijuana (cause I know that'll be the first thing people say to me, about marijuana being fine) cause I don't think there is, but with harder drugs like heroin and cocaine, this holds true. And you don't seem to be differentiating between dealers who deal marijuana and who deal harder drugs.[/QUOTE] The point of the FDA shouldn't be to restrict what a person can put in their body. The point of the FDA should be to hold companies accountable to make sure medical claims are accurate, and to make sure companies are not lying about potential side effects and health risks associated with a drug. The FDA shouldn't have the power to ban a drug, but they should have the responsibility to make sure the company producing the drug informs the consumer about the truth of the drug. [editline]1st April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=BusterBluth;35391324]Not negligible, because law enforcement does clearly work in targeted areas.[/QUOTE] But decriminalization also works. Are you going to argue that both of us are right?
When did this turn into a weed debate. Yawmwen - Go back to smoking weed, we dont care. We dont need to know your views on it either; this is not the place. Trent_roolsz - Stop making more arguments
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35389800]But other people would try and stop me. The government wants to try and tell me exactly what I am allowed to do with my own body. If a person doesn't have control of their body, what rights do they really have?[/QUOTE] If what you put in your body causes you to harm others, then yes the government does have a say. Because at that point it's no longer only your problem if you're dying of a meth addiction or whatever. It's the problem of the convenience store owner who gets robbed for drug money. It's the problem of the person who was lashed out at and attacked during a bad trip. Of course that's not to say that I'm totally in favor of the current drug policy. I believe that drugs which aren't heavily addictive such as marijuana should be legal. But I think that blanket drug legalization is simply the wrong way to go.
[QUOTE=froztshock;35391466]If what you put in your body causes you to harm others, then yes the government does have a say. Because at that point it's no longer only your problem if you're dying of a meth addiction or whatever. It's the problem of the convenience store owner who gets robbed for drug money. It's the problem of the person who was lashed out at and attacked during a bad trip. Of course that's not to say that I'm totally in favor of the current drug policy. I believe that drugs which aren't heavily addictive such as marijuana should be legal. But I think that blanket drug legalization is simply the wrong way to go.[/QUOTE] What about the kids who lash out when their parents take away their video games? What about the adults who end up killing someone because they tried to recreate something they saw in a movie? [editline]2nd April 2012[/editline] Your argument for criminalization of drugs is also the argument for criminalization of just about any form of recreational activity. FOR FUCK'S SAKE, why isn't football illegal? People get seriously injured and killed in football! Yet it's treated as a pastime.
"lol i want moral police"
I'm surprised facepunch didn't throw a bitch fit about this to be honest... But they put the money to good use, so I see no problem here.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35391517]What about the kids who lash out when their parents take away their video games? What about the adults who end up killing someone because they tried to recreate something they saw in a movie? [editline]2nd April 2012[/editline] Your argument for criminalization of drugs is also the argument for criminalization of just about any form of recreational activity. FOR FUCK'S SAKE, why isn't football illegal? People get seriously injured and killed in football! Yet it's treated as a pastime.[/QUOTE] The kids who lash out are kids, they've never killed a man from it, and the adults who kill someone trying to recreate something they saw in a movie have no common sense. And the football argument? its a sport. robbing a convenience store owner to get your next high isn't a sport.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;35391709]The kids who lash out are kids, they've never killed a man from it,[/quote] [url]http://gamepolitics.com/2011/08/16/report-teen-kills-great-grandmother-over-video-game[/url] [url]http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/12/boy_killed_mom_and_shot_dad_ov.html[/url] [quote]and the adults who kill someone trying to recreate something they saw in a movie have no common sense.[/quote] Couldn't you say that someone who gets themselves addicted to meth or heroin have little to no common sense? [quote]And the football argument? its a sport. robbing a convenience store owner to get your next high isn't a sport.[/QUOTE] Yea, it's worse. Violence is a part of football. It's inherent to the game. Not all meth addicts rob a store, robbery or murder are not inherent to an addiction.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35391783][url]http://gamepolitics.com/2011/08/16/report-teen-kills-great-grandmother-over-video-game[/url] [url]http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/12/boy_killed_mom_and_shot_dad_ov.html[/url] Couldn't you say that someone who gets themselves addicted to meth or heroin have little to no common sense? Yea, it's worse. Violence is a part of football. It's inherent to the game. Not all meth addicts rob a store, robbery or murder are not inherent to an addiction.[/QUOTE] The kids who actually kill someone over a video game aren't right in the head, and I can say that someone who gets themselves addicted to heroin or meth have no common sense, but they're harming both themselves and others with their habit, and they can't get rid of it. And I never said all meth addicts rob a store, but people who are addicted usually are broke because they've spent all their money on meth, and so resort to robbery.
I don't see any problem. If the police are getting better equipment, that's great. If the police are getting better equipment with money that would've gone to the personal interest of a drug dealer rather than the people, that's even greater.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35389461]If both of us can back our claims with numbers, doesn't that imply that it's possible the effect legality has on drug use is negligible?[/quote] That makes no sense. [quote]So they will throw me into a prison or jail which can cause health issues and psychological problems, so that they can protect me from a chemical that can cause health issues and addiction?[/quote] If jail causes health issues and psychological problems, then there is something deeply wrong with the prison system that is not at all related to the problems you are raising here. You are just pulling whatever rabbits you can out of your hat to push your relentless "LEGALIZE THE GREEEN!!!!" nonsense. [quote]By the way, I don't need the police to be my babysitter. I can make up my own mind on drug use, thank you very much.[/QUOTE] Alright then, I'll live in comfort knowing that i am still within the bounds of the law maintaining a smoke-free low-alcohol life. Let me state this: I don't give a damn about weed. I couldn't give a shit if people smoke it, But if you blow it into my face(literally and figuratively) i will kick up a ruckus, Because i am so sick of seeing all of you go "LEGALIZE THE GREEN!" or gloat about how you're smoking marijuana, You do nothing but harm the cause you are trying to help. If you REALLY want marijuana legalized, Get off your ass, Stop bitching about it on the internet, and become a politican, Or have a serious talk to your congressman. Stop shoving it in our faces when we're trying to live our gogdamn lives.
If a mod comes across this, please lock it.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;35391815]The kids who actually kill someone over a video game aren't right in the head,[/quote] But it's the video games fault, just like someone who robs a store for a fix can blame the drug. There is absolutely no difference. [quote]and I can say that someone who gets themselves addicted to heroin or meth have no common sense, but they're harming both themselves and others with their habit,[/quote] They only harm themselves. Being addicted to meth isn't harmful to anyone except the addict. You can't say "oh it hurts the families" or that bullshit because WoW can harm the families of addicts as well. So can obesity caused by a sedentary lifestyle and fast food. So can football if it cripples a player. [quote]and they can't get rid of it. And I never said all meth addicts rob a store, but people who are addicted usually are broke because they've spent all their money on meth, and so resort to robbery.[/QUOTE] I would like you to support that with actual facts. What percentage of meth/heroin addicts rob stores? Give me a number otherwise you are just talking out of your ass. And either way, it's the responsibility of the user not to let themselves become addicted, and to seek help instead of resorting to crime. Also, a lot of the broke argument can be attributed to criminalization anyways, since drugs cost a lot more during a prohibition then if it was legal. If cigarettes were made illegal, you might see people robbing stores to get money for a pack of smokes. [editline]2nd April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Drsalvador;35391861] Alright then, I'll live in comfort knowing that i am still within the bounds of the law maintaining a smoke-free low-alcohol life. Let me state this: I don't give a damn about weed. I couldn't give a shit if people smoke it, But if you blow it into my face(literally and figuratively) i will kick up a ruckus, Because i am so sick of seeing all of you go "LEGALIZE THE GREEN!" or gloat about how you're smoking marijuana, You do nothing but harm the cause you are trying to help. If you REALLY want marijuana legalized, Get off your ass, Stop bitching about it on the internet, and become a politican, Or have a serious talk to your congressman. Stop shoving it in our faces when we're trying to live our gogdamn lives.[/QUOTE] Yea, fuck those gay fgts and them trying to get their marriage legalized. I DONT CARE IF YOU BUTT FUCK EACH OTHER AS LONG AS YOU DONT TALK ABOUT HOW ITS YOUR RIGHT TO BUTT FUCK EACHOTHER DAMNIT! Also, I don't smoke weed. I haven't done any illicit drug for almost a year, and I haven't even drank alcohol for just as long. The only thing I do is smoke cigarettes, which is more harmful than marijuana yet still legal.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35391870]But it's the video games fault, just like someone who robs a store for a fix can blame the drug. There is absolutely no difference. They only harm themselves. Being addicted to meth isn't harmful to anyone except the addict. You can't say "oh it hurts the families" or that bullshit because WoW can harm the families of addicts as well. So can obesity caused by a sedentary lifestyle and fast food. So can football if it cripples a player. I would like you to support that with actual facts. What percentage of meth/heroin addicts rob stores? Give me a number otherwise you are just talking out of your ass. And either way, it's the responsibility of the user not to let themselves become addicted, and to seek help instead of resorting to crime. Also, a lot of the broke argument can be attributed to criminalization anyways, since drugs cost a lot more during a prohibition then if it was legal. If cigarettes were made illegal, you might see people robbing stores to get money for a pack of smokes. [editline]2nd April 2012[/editline] Yea, fuck those gay fgts and them trying to get their marriage legalized. I DONT CARE IF YOU BUTT FUCK EACH OTHER AS LONG AS YOU DONT TALK ABOUT HOW ITS YOUR RIGHT TO BUTT FUCK EACHOTHER DAMNIT! Also, I don't smoke weed. I haven't done any illicit drug for almost a year, and I haven't even drank alcohol for just as long. The only thing I do is smoke cigarettes, which is more harmful than marijuana yet still legal.[/QUOTE] No, it isn't the video games fault, it was a trigger, but if they'll kill a person over something that small, it was going to happen one way or another. They do harm the families, because they have to go through the pain of dealing with their addiction. we aren't fucking talking about shit like pot, we're talking about meth and heroin. I don't know about anarchists, but I sure wouldn't feel safe if I knew that anyone could be addicted to some horrible drug that'll make them freak out and kill someone eventually. If a moderator sees this thread, please lock it, because this flame war is going nowhere.
I can't stand you guys.
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