IT BEGINS: Texas Senate is Voting on a REFERENDUM on INDEPENDENCE from the United States today.
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[QUOTE=RichyZ;49255234]excuse the liberal bias but the pictures and stats don't lie
[url]http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/article/This-is-how-badly-Republicans-have-gerrymandered-6246509.php#photo-7107637[/url]
the houston ones are hilarious[/QUOTE]
Man how the fuck is this shit even legal
[QUOTE=Sitkero;49255366]Man how the fuck is this shit even legal[/QUOTE]
America
[QUOTE=Demolitions2;49251730]Let them do it, but dig up austin, and put it somewhere else. Fuck the rest of this state[/QUOTE]
Isn't austin mostly hipsters? And Ghost.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49251737]
Thats because American manufacturing is complete garbage. I would buy a Chinese made anything before I buy an American made anything. From cars to guns to toys to clothing, American manufacturing is second to everyone.[/QUOTE]
So I'm guessing you drive a Ford, then? Because the vast majority of 'foreign' cars sold here are also built here. Yes, that includes Japanese cars. You're more likely to find a foreign built Ford or Chevy...of the four Fords in my driveway only one was built in America, one is Mexican, two are Canadian...than you are a foreign built Honda or BMW or VW!
You must not take public transit, either, hey guess where that's all made. And the roads...those are made in America, I 'spose you walk on the gra-Oh, wait, that grew in America too. And you don't eat meat, either, because that's all reared, butchered and packaged domestically.
What's it like trying to live a modern life in America without any of the things that make such a life possible?
[QUOTE=Sitkero;49255366]Man how the fuck is this shit even legal[/QUOTE]
Because its your politicians doing it. They draw the borders.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49252712]Look, I think you need a little bit of clarification on what "democracy" means.
Etymologically, you're correct. Democracy [I]literally[/I] means power to the people. However, from a political standpoint, the notion is a lot more indirect.
The power goes to the people because the people votes, and elects individuals (who come from the average population) who decide for them. From a purely ideal standpoint, the small group of individuals who were elected by the people will always make decisions that the people will agree with.
Now this is all ideals and from a practical standpoint this isn't really how it works. However, the important notion to take from this is that "democracy" is not [I]literal[/I] democracy, the same way an individual's "freedom" in a country like France or the USA or Sweden is not literal freedom, it's still governed by a list of social constructs and morals and legal barriers to prevent abuse.
Referendums are a bit of a peculiar thing because they are addressed directly to the people, and not to those that the people have elected to take decisions. As such, referendums rarely ever carry an actual political strength and are more of an indicative measure - because ultimately the decision falls upon those that the people have elected, not upon the people themselves.
I can't believe I have to explain this to a fucking grown up guy on a forum. Because the USA is a democracy, does not mean that the people are literally allowed to do whatever they want. It means they're allowed to choose who rules over them.[/QUOTE]
A Russian having to explain our government to an American.
Texas, ladies and gentlemen. What a great education system
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;49255945]A Russian having to explain our government to an American.
Texas, ladies and gentlemen. What a great education system[/QUOTE]
This... this IS satire... right?
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;49255945]A Russian having to explain our government to an American.
Texas, ladies and gentlemen. What a great education system[/QUOTE]
I really hope your obnoxious hateboner for Texas is a joke and you don't seriously think the French flag is the Russian flag.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49251608]Who's gonna tax my income? Texas has no state income tax.[/QUOTE]
It would kind of need to start taxing income if... y'know... you want any public services, any welfare, any state healthcare help, any social security, any politician to actually be paid, any organizations set up to regulate anything, etc. Or do you think these people are proposing an anarchist society upon secession?
Oh holy shit just saw how long this thread is. Should have read more before I replied to something on the first page.
[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;49251524]gosh bless [IMG]http://forums.reebosak.net/images/smilies/emot-911.gif[/IMG]
[B]Texas won't secede though there's no reason why they should.[/B][/QUOTE]
Obama will only be president for another year or so, and for some texans that just too long
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;49255945]A [B]Russian[/B] having to explain our government to an American.
Texas, ladies and gentlemen. What a great education system[/QUOTE]
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You what now
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;49255945]A Russian having to explain our government to an American.
Texas, ladies and gentlemen. What a great education system[/QUOTE]
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I guess Russia must have annexed France when I wasn't looking, darn you Putin.. :frown:
On-Topic:
This poll is a damn waste of money.
Some school in the state could've better used this opinion money to buy a classroom a new set of books, or maybe give it to a town to fix a street or 2.
The education system has its own budget. You can't just pull money away from something and put it somewhere else. This poll will be held during the primaries so it's not the only thing being voted on
Broseph_
Man...
Seriously...
Okay, let me say first of all that I [I]get you[/I] man, I totally understand the patriotism and the deep love you have for Texas. Hell, I have it for Minnesota, I was born and raised in this frozen, mosquito-infested land full of fat, passive-aggressive Scandinavians with weird accents and I love it, I will always be Minnesotan 'till the day I die. That said though? I know when to quit and I know when to say, "hm, well while it sounds hilariously cool to be our own state it wouldn't work." That's the problem with Texans like you, every single time this shit comes up you dig in your heels, put on your ten gallon hat, and you hunker down for a war. That part in a normal person's brain that says, "hey, buddy, [U]shut the fuck up[/U] we look like assholes now," shuts off and your thought process closes up shop and focuses on one thing: Texas.
You've been debunked and berated for almost ten pages now, and I feel bad for you. I've been to Texas and I can safely tell you that no, you will not be able to secede and you really shouldn't. Economically, militarily, politically... fucking everywhere you turn to aside from blind Texan patriotism is full of obstacles that are just too goddamn big to negotiate. You ask why people would fight to keep Texas in the union, I mean it would turn Texas into a warzone and who wants that right? Well the thing about that is there are people in this country who deeply, deeply love it and while they might love their state more they're not blind and can see the writing on the wall. As one of those people I'd absolutely take up arms to keep Minnesota in the union, there would be nothing but bad things if we were by ourselves so yeah, I'd choose keeping us shackled to the US government than self-determination. Now if everyone in Minnesota, or at least most of everyone, was super enthusiastic then I'd maybe feel differently because we, as a people, would be united in this goal for better or for worse. That's not to say the US government would think differently, I'm pretty sure we'd get knocked flat on our asses and aside from a crazy insurgency I don't see us lasting in a fight against literally everyone else.
So that leads me to one final thing. Texas will never be able to secede because not only will it have US patriots in it to worry about but it will have the US government too. So unless the USA as a nation dissolves Texas will never again be independent... It just isn't in the cards for you guys. Sorry.
If trump is elected president I'm all for seceding thanks
unless they have something that 100% replaces it at a moment's notice, they'd have a hard time replacing medicare and medicaid. texas would have a great time watching its elderly and poor die
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no state would have the funding to do that. i'm calling shenanigans on all of this
i can't believe people actually think both that texas can secede and that it'd succeed if it seceded
[QUOTE=Jund;49253627]why do 3 countries dependent on US/NATO (aka US) military protection pay so little for their military???????? it's a fucking mystery??????????????????[/QUOTE]
Well, here's the thing there. A cursory search reveals that Israel actually spends more per capita on defense than the U.S. does. And since when have Canada and the Netherlands been dependent on the U.S. for protection? They have far more stable international relations than we ever had.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49251727]I don't believe there's a specific law that states states can't leave; it's considered illegal through the law of "might makes right" in that the Union won the War Between the States.
If Texas legitimately tried to secede, they would be invaded and seized by the federal military under the implication that they a "domestic threat" - or at worse, terrorists.
[editline]It's fuck a duck day[/editline]
That was a poor choice of words in my first sentence :v:[/QUOTE]
Whoo! Civil war 2k15!
[QUOTE=Duck M.;49257912]If trump is elected president I'm all for seceding thanks[/QUOTE]
Seems a bit unfair. Texans will probably vote for him in that scenario so ditching after being the ones that got him in power seems like sabotaging the nation just before leaving to get an edge competitively, basically treason.
Um. Question. If a state suddenly breaks away from the united states of America does that mean your country no longer exists because its no longer united and so on?
If they could legally secede, there's nothing to stop them from existing as a stable and successful country except for other countries trying to fuck them up.
Can the rest of the country have a referendum on seceding from texas
[QUOTE=Passing;49265088]Um. Question. If a state suddenly breaks away from the united states of America does that mean your country no longer exists because its no longer united and so on?[/QUOTE]
The United States would still exist, it would simply have one less state.
The line between that and a "Disunited States" scenario is pretty hazy. In my (inexpert) opinion, it depends on how many states secede, and whether or not the newly-independent country or countries exist in a state of war with the United States. The Civil War was a clear-cut case of such a scenario, and has sadly set a precedent for future attempts at secession. I'm not saying states should secede, I just think it should be down to the needs and wants of the individual states. I'd also like to think that in the future, if it ever comes down to it, we'll find a way to live in peace with our former countrymen. I don't want to find myself or my descendants on a combat deployment to Alabama or Georgia, suppressing a popular revolt.
On the other hand, the reasons for keeping the United States intact still stand. We're immensely stronger as a whole than any individual state could ever hope to be, and I still believe there's hope that we can one day move past our flaws and live up to the ideals of liberty, justice and individual self-determination that we were founded on and have always aspired to. It will be infinitely harder to reach that goal if our nation dissolves into disparate, rival powers.
It got voted down, shocker.
[quote]In a voice vote Saturday afternoon, the State Republican Executive Committee rejected a measure that would have put the issue on the March 1 primary ballot. The ballot language would have been non-binding, amounting to a formal survey of voters on whether they would like to see Texas declare its independence from the United States.[/quote]
[url]http://keranews.org/post/texas-gop-votes-down-secession-proposal[/url]
[quote]Opponents of the proposal argued it would have been an unproductive way for Texans to register their dissatisfaction with the federal government, however strongly they feel. One of the opponents, SREC member Mike Goldman, said he was "sorry we are even having the conversation" about secession. [/quote]
This failing is about as shocking as the sun rising in the morning.
"All Texans are really dumb and want to secede from the Union because Texas!"
Just because you don't like us (for whatever reason), doesn't mean you can generalize all 27 million of us.
[QUOTE=hhcheese;49267536]"All Texans are really dumb and want to secede from the Union because Texas!"
Just because you don't like us (for whatever reason), doesn't mean you can generalize all 27 million of us.[/QUOTE]
but there's nothing in texas but horses and tumbleweed and rednecks!!
:downs:
not like it has it's own energy grid and a bustling tech sector and one of the strongest state economies that managed to barrel through the 2008 crisis without too much difficulty as other states dropped like flies. not to mention a huge scene for music and culture, plus a state that is rapidly moving from a deep, deep red to a lightish purple in political stance.
people love to confuse texas with mississippi or alabama. we're not deep south - we're a separate category. we have as many idiots here as there are in other states.
Except Florida. They have us whooped on amount of idiots.