• IT BEGINS: Texas Senate is Voting on a REFERENDUM on INDEPENDENCE from the United States today.
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[QUOTE=Mr.Moustachio;49252378]how am I supposed to respond with that avatar[/QUOTE] i made it for the emoticon project as :1488: during the confederate flag fiasco and it depicts a kkk member shedding a tear in front of the confederate flag you decide what it means
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49252288]They won't even have the manpower to secede if they do what Brosef says though. Kicking out anyone who wants to stay in the US will literally halve the manpower available to Texas.[/QUOTE] It's one of those things that sounds great in your head and as long as you don't actually sit and write down what the situation will look like one year later, after the consequences have had time to kick in, it stays great. As long as you only think of the big party and not the messy cleanup afterwards, it's a popular escapist fantasy among some down there, it seems. Fortunately for the good people of Texas, someone is smart enough to think of the messy aftermath and derail the effort every time it's come up if it doesn't just sputter out on its own.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49252363]please secede from posting[/QUOTE] I think hes joking
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;49252408]I think hes joking[/QUOTE] you can try to joke and still be unfunny and need to stop
[QUOTE=Doneeh;49251663][B]Who gives a shit about Texas?[/B] I've been lobbying Christie to secede for years. An independent Jersey is a great Jersey.[/QUOTE] It's almost a crime saying that while you have a hank hill avatar
[QUOTE=Swilly;49252010]No. No you wouldn't, you'd be an unrecognized state and no longer American citizens. You don't want to leave, you're just flirting with what Puerto Rico has.[/QUOTE] The Courts ruled in 1977 over the status of citizens who were born in Río Rico, Texas, now Tamaulipas, before 1972, that simply because a person was born in a part of the United States that is now part of a foreign nation, they do not lose their U.S. citizenship.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49252401]It's one of those things that sounds great in your head and as long as you don't actually sit and write down what the situation will look like one year later, after the consequences have had time to kick in, it stays great. As long as you only think of the big party and not the messy cleanup afterwards, it's a popular escapist fantasy among some down there, it seems. Fortunately for the good people of Texas, someone is smart enough to think of the messy aftermath and derail the effort every time it's come up if it doesn't just sputter out on its own.[/QUOTE] you don't even need to do that cause if you're a functional human being who understands how taxes work you'll realize that you'll still have to pay them and even if free Texas could survive economically then it'll just be the same shit with poorer living conditions because you won't have the benefits of being a state
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49252385]i made it for the emoticon project as :1488: during the confederate flag fiasco and it depicts a kkk member shedding a tear in front of the confederate flag you decide what it means[/QUOTE] I mean, it seems pretty much in the spirit of what I posted. these are reasons why secessionists would want to leave the country, it has nothing to do with the average texan
The fact that this exists proves that the Texas Senate is batshit insane and does not reflect the electorate
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49252419]you can try to joke and still be unfunny and need to stop[/QUOTE] [IMG]https://facepunch.com/image.php?u=53501&dateline=1437005722[/IMG]
Fuck the GOP if this is what they want when they don't get their way This is why Donald Trump is a party leader, because they've breed this kind of Republican that thinks they are better off not even part of this country because they can't get rid of obamacare
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49252213]More like "I'm not pledging allegiance to Texas and I sure as fuck ain't going to leave my property". Not in the least. Do you expect fucking TEXANS of all people to let someone come in and evict them from their house by force? Lol why California? And you're right they aren't asking them to renounce their citizenship. They're asking them to abandon all their property and all of their assets that can't move.[/QUOTE] Then they can fucking deal with it like the People who refuse to pledge allegiance to America because Obama is President. Nobody is forcing them to do shit, if they want to live in the U.S., they still have their U.S. passport, they're free to fucking leave, beyond that, you're the one saying they are going to go out and start shooting people over Texas leaving the United States following a free vote, and you know what, that's completely illogical and psychotic, I'm not going to argue with that. What I'm going to do instead is say something I think a lot of people would agree with. [B]Whoever decides to respond to [U][I]democracy[/I][/U] with [U][I]violence[/I][/U] deserves to forfeit their life.[/B]
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49252485]Then they can fucking deal with it like the People who refuse to pledge allegiance to America because Obama is President. Nobody is forcing them to do shit, if they want to live in the U.S., they still have their U.S. passport, they're free to fucking leave, beyond that, you're the one saying they are going to go out and start shooting people over Texas leaving the United States following a free vote, and you know what, that's completely illogical and psychotic, I'm not going to argue with that. What I'm going to do instead is say something I think a lot of people would agree with. [B]Whoever decides to respond to [U][I]democracy[/I][/U] with [U][I]violence[/I][/U] deserves to forfeit their life.[/B][/QUOTE] I'm imagining you frantically slamming your fingers down onto the keys as you type, desperately, fruitlessly, trying to get your point across. While all were hearing is diarrhea
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49252485][B]Whoever decides to respond to [U][I]democracy[/I][/U] with [U][I]violence[/I][/U] deserves to forfeit their life.[/B][/QUOTE] so I had this long post replying to your obvious lack of understanding of international politics and trade, as well as economy, but frankly you're making an excellent case by yourself on why Texas secession wouldn't work, and who's actually calling for such a thing. just by the way the article you mentioned states it clearly yourself, a majority of Texans don't want secession. and the referendum you speak of in the title isn't legally binding.
I've always been a fan of the "Let Mexico have them back" idea.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;49252506]I've always been a fan of the "Let Mexico have them back" idea.[/QUOTE] Can we give them Mississippi too? Imagine the possibilities.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;49252506]I've always been a fan of the "Let Mexico have them back" idea.[/QUOTE] I like this idea. Is Mexico up for it?
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49252485]Then they can fucking deal with it like the People who refuse to pledge allegiance to America because Obama is President.[/QUOTE] Are you seriously equating patrioic Texans who would not want to leave their homes with petty racists? :v:
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49251757]Texas has about 30 million people living in it. Germany alone has over 80 million. Size is irrelevant.[/QUOTE] Canada only has 35 million, population is irrelevant as well. (for the most part)
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49252485]Then they can fucking deal with it like the People who refuse to pledge allegiance to America because Obama is President.[/QUOTE] The difference is that Obama isn't kicking those people out of the country. [quote] Nobody is forcing them to do shit, if they want to live in the U.S., they still have their U.S. passport, they're free to fucking leave, beyond that, you're the one saying they are going to go out and start shooting people over Texas leaving the United States following a free vote, and you know what, that's completely illogical and psychotic, I'm not going to argue with that.[/quote] Except if they leave and refuse to recognize texas they'll lose their property and any assets that they can't move out of state. [quote] What I'm going to do instead is say something I think a lot of people would agree with. [B]Whoever decides to respond to [U][I]democracy[/I][/U] with [U][I]violence[/I][/U] deserves to forfeit their life.[/B][/quote] No one agrees with you.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49252485]Nobody is forcing them to do shit, if they want to live in the U.S., they still have their U.S. passport, they're free to fucking leave.[/QUOTE] What about the people who have no choice but have to stay in Texas? Those that aren't financially stable enough to make the move? Those that simply cannot move? Those that don't want to move because of their family and what not in Texas? You act like it's their fault.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;49252521]Can we give them Mississippi too? Imagine the possibilities.[/QUOTE] Mexico doesn't want to pay for them. That state hemorrhages money. Also, most Texans don't seem to want indie Texas. The serious vote will probably make that clear if it happens.
[QUOTE=MoralSupport;49252553]Please don't assume that a state of 27 million people are all stupid by the actions of a facepunch poster and a handful of politicians.[/QUOTE] To be fair, you elect those politicians into office democratically. It makes sense for us to use them as your representatives, especially when they keep winning.
[QUOTE=jordguitar;49252527]I like this idea. Is Mexico up for it?[/QUOTE] I hope so, I want to take a vacation to Mexico and see the Santa Anna victory memorial at the Alamo.
[QUOTE=Jund;49252441]you don't even need to do that cause if you're a functional human being who understands how taxes work you'll realize that you'll still have to pay them and even if free Texas could survive economically then it'll just be the same shit with poorer living conditions because you won't have the benefits of being a state[/QUOTE] Someone please tell me what benefits we have being a state, we have no external threats, we are not dependent on the United States for anything, we're not dependent on any imports, and 1 in 8 refineries in the world are located in Texas so it's not like we'll be isolated internationally.
[QUOTE=Xubs;49252579]Call it an oxymoron, but I don't think political representatives are as much of an actual representation of the population as a whole compared to what they used to be a long long time ago. What, with gerrymandering, the accessibility of a diverse group of opinions in the modern world, and all sorts of other weird voting things going on. Texas has tons of blue enclaves with huge populations, for instance. I don't think it's fair to paint the broad brush of "all Texans are stupid," based on the opinions of some red republicans which only kind of represent their state.[/QUOTE] Someday Texas is going to turn blue in a presidential election, and Texas will implode upon itself for being not Texas
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49252597]Someone please tell me what benefits we have being a state, we have no external threats, we are not dependent on the United States for anything, we're not dependent on any imports, and 1 in 8 refineries in the world are located in Texas so it's not like we'll be isolated internationally.[/QUOTE] How about medicare, social security, and student loans to start
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49252597]Someone please tell me what benefits we have being a state, we have no external threats, we are not dependent on the United States for anything, we're not dependent on any imports, and 1 in 8 refineries in the world are located in Texas so it's not like we'll be isolated internationally.[/QUOTE] If Texas was independent the US would insure that every port, every trade agreement, and every economic avenue is blocked. Your refineries may be there but lookup where the majority of the operators come from, they come from out of state and they come from across the US. Texas takes much more federal money than it puts back (which the irony is totally lost on their fiscal conservatives). The oil that fuels its refineries comes from out of state, those pipelines would be shut to texas, and they would have to defend the boarder with Mexico from the cartels without help from the US
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49252597]Someone please tell me what benefits we have being a state, we have no external threats, we are not dependent on the United States for anything, we're not dependent on any imports, and 1 in 8 refineries in the world are located in Texas so it's not like we'll be isolated internationally.[/QUOTE] You have a very limited viewpoint on the subject, as does everyone since we haven't seen a state secede in over 150 years. It is entirely likely that you [B]are[/B] dependent on the US for a great many things that a normal citizen isn't even aware of, you [B]are[/B] probably going to be dependent on some kind of imports, and it is also entirely likely that, in this hypothetical scenario, no country would acknowledge Texas's independence thanks in large part to the US's domineering political tactics. I mean, just look at Taiwan and the PRC. Very few countries acknowledge Taiwan, even if they are the "Democratic" China because it is simply a wiser political and economical move to associate oneself with the PRC in the mainland. There would be no future for you as an independent nation.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49252623]How about medicare, social security, and student loans to start[/QUOTE] They don't need 'em, they got their freedoms. Yeehaw
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