IT BEGINS: Texas Senate is Voting on a REFERENDUM on INDEPENDENCE from the United States today.
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[QUOTE=Broseph_;49253386]Yeah and I bet you China will recognize us in a heartbeat to get a majority stake in them, while Russia recognizes us just to fuck with the west.[/QUOTE]
Hahahahaha, how to get the US to invade and take back Texas in 5 secs.
Explain to me, how will Texas survive without taxes, since that is fucking stupid, no state can survive without taxes
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;49253424]Hahahahaha, how to get the US to invade and take back Texas in 5 secs.
Explain to me, how will Texas survive without taxes, since that is fucking stupid, no state can survive without taxes[/QUOTE]
Because apparently texas pays 10 billion more than they recieve back. I don't think he understands they are actually paying for something with those 10 billion.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49253382]I feel like you really, REALLY, fundamentally speaking, at the most base level, do not understand what you're asking for at ANY level.[/QUOTE]
The original statement the idea that if Texas seceded, then the people who voted no would go out and start killing people to force it to stay in the U.S. rather than the much more rational solution of simply moving out of Texas.
Seriously why is it so outrageous to tell the people who want the streets to run with blood to keep the American flag waving to leave the fucking state if they want to stay American so badly, especially in this day and age, this is America, not fucking third world country, why is mass violence and civil war considered a reasonable scenario, especially in response to a free and democratic referendum?
It's like what Indonesia did in East Timor when it had it's Independence referendum which resulted Indonesian death squads running around gunning down people, and finally ended with Australia and the United States intervening.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Force_for_East_Timor[/url]
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49251909]Our State Police on our Southern Border is effectively a military force.
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Beyond that we have no external threats.
Texas will represent Texas
Recognition, we shall see, but the second line, why should we care about Authority, we aren't the fucking world police so why the hell should we care about Authority, especially when we're not dependent on anyone else.
Texas had Embassies in London, Paris and Amsterdam when it was meaningless piece of land in 1845 why wouldn't it be able to establish new ones.
Firstly, the Federal government has very little land in Texas because of our status as a Republic when we joined the United States,we kept all our public lands.
Secondly, what about them, they're the Federal Government's assets, and it'll be up to them to dispose of them how they see fit.
The US government already imprisons foreign nationals, including Manuel Noriega, it'll be up to them to deal with them.
What is the point of this question? If they don't want to be apart of Texas then they can keep their U.S. citizenship and fucking leave, why should we give a fuck?
What about them, it's logical, for the legal ones simply recognize their visas if they shown they were settled in Texas at the time of secession, for the ones without papers I would assume they'll be given some type of temporary status by virtue of living in the state at the time of secession.
What about people born outside of Venezuela who want to be Venezuelan?
You make it sound like it's impossible for a government to issue a passport.
Do you know anything about the United States? All courts are run by the states except for Federal Courts, and if Texas secedes the Federal Courts become moot.
You realize all businesses are incorporated under state law?
Why would Texas create new taxes?
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_economic_zone[/url]
Texas is entitled to them under international law, and if they don't want to pay Texas they can fuck off.[/QUOTE]
Mate, a couple of RHIBS and PT boats ain't shit.
Come back when you can get a real military.
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Lets see, if they left, that would mean they would have to BUY a bunch shit for a military, and I mean a lot, that that $10billion just has a new home, the Texas Military, which still isn't enough.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49253463]The original statement the idea that if Texas seceded, then the people who voted no would go out and start killing people to force it to stay in the U.S. rather than the much more rational solution of simply moving out of Texas.
Seriously why is it so outrageous to tell the people who want the streets to run with blood to keep the American flag waving to leave the fucking state if they want to stay American so badly, especially in this day and age, this is America, not fucking third world country, why is mass violence and civil war considered a reasonable scenario, especially in response to a free and democratic referendum?
It's like what Indonesia did in East Timor when it had it's Independence referendum which resulted Indonesian death squads running around gunning down people, and finally ended with Australia and the United States intervening.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Force_for_East_Timor[/url][/QUOTE]
How about you few lunatics just leave the fucking state if you want to become independent so badly?
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49253463]The original statement the idea that if Texas seceded, then the people who voted no would go out and start killing people to force it to stay in the U.S. rather than the much more rational solution of simply moving out of Texas.
Seriously why is it so outrageous to tell the people who want the streets to run with blood to keep the American flag waving to leave the fucking state if they want to stay American so badly, especially in this day and age, this is America, not fucking third world country, why is mass violence and civil war considered a reasonable scenario, especially in response to a free and democratic referendum?
It's like what Indonesia did in East Timor when it had it's Independence referendum which resulted Indonesian death squads running around gunning down people, and finally ended with Australia and the United States intervening.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Force_for_East_Timor[/url][/QUOTE]
So you're telling me, that TEXANS, who just lost their homes, their livelyhoods, their property, their LIFES FUCKING WORK, are going to roll over and take it because you hate taxes? Is that all it takes for you to prioritize yourself above everyone else?
Is that how selfish you really are?
[editline]5th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;49253483]How about you few lunatics just leave the fucking state if you want to become independent so badly?[/QUOTE]
No you see that'd be wrong, it's his state. Those people who want to stay? Fuck em, it's "I Got mine, you get yours"
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;49253476]Lets see, if the left, that would mean they would have to BUY a bunch shit for a military, and I mean a lot, that that $10billion just has a new home, the Texas Military, which still isn't enough.[/QUOTE]
Oh boy, 10 billion for a modernized military force is jack shit.
Seriously, our jets cost 100+ million dollars alone, not including upkeep costs ammunitions, personnel.
Tanks cost a shitload as well, obviously not nearly as much. Then there is personnel, equipment, food, housing, utilities, basically a logistics shitstorm.
[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;49253435]Because apparently texas pays 10 billion more than they recieve back. I don't think he understands they are actually paying for something with those 10 billion.[/QUOTE]
Texas has no external threats, and Israel has a defense budget of 16 billion dollars, Canada is 16 billion, and the Netherlands has a defense budget of 10 billion.
Why the fuck do we need a bigger defense budget than Canada who actually has to contend with the Russians violating their air space and waters?
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49253463]The original statement the idea that if Texas seceded, then the people who voted no would go out and start killing people to force it to stay in the U.S. rather than the much more rational solution of simply moving out of Texas.
[B]Seriously why is it so outrageous to tell the people who want the streets to run with blood to keep the American flag waving to leave the fucking state if they want to stay American so badly, especially in this day and age, this is America, not fucking third world country, why is mass violence and civil war considered a reasonable scenario, especially in response to a free and democratic referendum?[/B]
It's like what Indonesia did in East Timor when it had it's Independence referendum which resulted Indonesian death squads running around gunning down people, and finally ended with Australia and the United States intervening.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Force_for_East_Timor[/url][/QUOTE]
Tell me you wouldn't be livid fucking mad if your whole life got flipped around because some people just couldn't stand the thought of being in the US anymore and wanted it to be independent from the US entirely. These people, who now want the fuck out of Texas, but cannot because their grounded there, should just sit on their ass and take it like a man or get out(which the obviously cannot do or they would have in the first place). You're sitting here with this ridiculous hypothetical that someone can just get the fuck out of their house and place of work, abandon their family, and leave because their state seceded because of some dumb BS. Tell me you wouldn't be livid with that idea, because you make it seem so easy, when it's actually far from that.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49253512]Texas has no external threats, and Israel has a defense budget of 16 billion dollars, Canada is 16 billion, and the Netherlands has a defense budget of 10 billion.
Why the fuck do we need a bigger defense budget than Canada who actually has to contend with the Russians violating their air space and waters?[/QUOTE]
Do you really think the powers that be would not see your pittance of a military organization as laughable at best? Russia would be all over you guys provided we stopped routine patrols and what not over there. As would China and any other group. It would be like stealing candy from a deaf, blind, retarded baby.
Edit: Oh fuck no, I didn't even think of shit like the Cartels. Yeah man, have fun with that. Since you're no longer part of the U.S. there would be a whole new realm of shit they could do down there.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49253487]So you're telling me, that TEXANS, who just lost their homes, their livelyhoods, their property, their LIFES FUCKING WORK, are going to roll over and take it because you hate taxes? Is that all it takes for you to prioritize yourself above everyone else?
Is that how selfish you really are?[/QUOTE]
How would they lose any of that by Texas seceding?
Be serious now.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49253512]Texas has no external threats, and Israel has a defense budget of 16 billion dollars, Canada is 16 billion, and the Netherlands has a defense budget of 10 billion.
Why the fuck do we need a bigger defense budget than Canada who actually has to contend with the Russians violating their air space and waters?[/QUOTE]
You are when you have the US as enemies.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49253528]How would they lose any of that by Texas seceding?
Be serious now.[/QUOTE]
You're asking how people who now have to up and leave their state of birth and residence, the place where most of their economic power is tied up(you'd know this if you owned a home) to just go start a new life in a different place, they had to leave a home and a job in Texas and you're asking how they lose ANYTHING??!
See. You DONT understand. Fundamentally.
Y'all need to calm down as well. Arguing is fun and all, but you can't sway all viewpoints. Some people are wrong, some are right. Its all subjective as fuck, let em think how they want and stop wasting them precious keystrokes.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49253528]How would they lose any of that by Texas seceding?
Be serious now.[/QUOTE]
I would assume if any of your work involves crossing to other states or is reliant on exporting to other states then suddenly becoming a seperate nation with (presumably) a seperate currency would be a struggle
[QUOTE=OvB;49252246]state the size of Europe[/QUOTE]
[url=http://i.imgur.com/iyYncEW.png]Nowhere near, tho[/url]
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49253512]Texas has no external threats, and Israel has a defense budget of 16 billion dollars, Canada is 16 billion, and the Netherlands has a defense budget of 10 billion.
Why the fuck do we need a bigger defense budget than Canada who actually has to contend with the Russians violating their air space and waters?[/QUOTE]
why do 3 countries dependent on US/NATO (aka US) military protection pay so little for their military???????? it's a fucking mystery??????????????????
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49253386]Yeah and I bet you China will recognize us in a heartbeat to get a majority stake in them, while Russia recognizes us just to fuck with the west.[/QUOTE]
LOL
yeah dude! hell yeah fuck the US give your oil to China and Russia, that shit has worked wonderfully in Venezuela.
The funny thing about all this is how California is more populated and wealthier than Texas, and yet you never hear anything about a Californian secession movement.
Ever wonder why that is?
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49253363]Yeah, if you want to commit the literal definition of terrorism to force the majority to bind to your will, you need to get the fuck out.[/QUOTE]
You don't even know what the fucking definition of terrorism is lmao.
What people would be doing would be starting a civilian insurrection against the government. Terrorism is defined as
[quote]: the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal[/quote]
Also the majority winning a vote does not mean the majority is right.
[QUOTE=Shibbey;49253614]I would assume if any of your work involves crossing to other states or is reliant on exporting to other states then suddenly becoming a seperate nation with (presumably) a seperate currency would be a struggle
[url=http://i.imgur.com/iyYncEW.png]Nowhere near, tho[/url][/QUOTE]
Not really, they'll still have U.S. citizenship, and all of Texas's major population centers are over an Hour away from the stateline, and with the main cross border traffic out of Houston being to the Casinos in Lake Charles Louisiana, meanwhile there's nothing really relevant in Oklahoma or New Mexico to make the border a problem for anyone in Dallas or El Paso respectively since it's empty land for 100 miles until you hit anything.
Also this isn't a problem in The Valley where people cross the border daily on shopping trips, nor for Danes and Swedes.
[editline]5th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49253792]You don't even know what the fucking definition of terrorism is lmao.
What people would be doing would be starting a civilian insurrection against the government. Terrorism is defined as
Also the majority winning a vote does not mean the majority is right.[/QUOTE]
How in the fuck is starting a civil war not the use of violent act to archive political goals?
I haven't seen this much delusion of independence since Catalonia
[QUOTE=Big Bang;49253727]LOL
yeah dude! hell yeah fuck the US give your oil to China and Russia, that shit has worked wonderfully in Venezuela.[/QUOTE]
Because Venezuela doesn't have refineries, crude oil is useless if you can't refine it, it's why Iran is so shitty because they have to export crude and turn around and import gasoline.
[editline]5th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rocko's;49253520]Tell me you wouldn't be livid fucking mad if your whole life got flipped around because some people just couldn't stand the thought of being in the US anymore and wanted it to be independent from the US entirely. These people, who now want the fuck out of Texas, but cannot because their grounded there, should just sit on their ass and take it like a man or get out(which the obviously cannot do or they would have in the first place). You're sitting here with this ridiculous hypothetical that someone can just get the fuck out of their house and place of work, abandon their family, and leave because their state seceded because of some dumb BS. Tell me you wouldn't be livid with that idea, because you make it seem so easy, when it's actually far from that.[/QUOTE]
Still doesn't justify terrorism.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49253821]
How in the fuck is starting a civil war not the use of violent act to archive political goals?[/QUOTE]
Actually read the definition. Terrorism requires the intent to excite FEAR aka TERROR in order to achieve political goals. While terrorism is most certainly a possible tactic used by a hypothetical civilian insurrection it most certainly is not the only option. Especially since Texas would have NO military to speak of and the only other armed bodies (Police and border patrol) would be split just as much as the civilian population between Pro-US and Pro-Texas.
[editline]5th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49253862]
Still doesn't justify terrorism.[/QUOTE]
Its not terrorism, you don't know what you're talking about at all lol
[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;49253736]The funny thing about all this is how California is more populated and wealthier than Texas, and yet you never hear anything about a Californian secession movement.
Ever wonder why that is?[/QUOTE]
Because California is to indebted and their budget is too fucked, so they're trying to balkanize it by trying every two years to split it up into up to 6 states, and there's a secession movement in Nothern California right now where 8 counties voted to secede from the state.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49253968]Because California is to indebted and their budget is too fucked, so they're trying to balkanize it by trying every two years to split it up into up to 6 states, and there's a secession movement in Nothern California right now where 8 counties voted to secede from the state.[/QUOTE]
You have no idea what you're talking about lol. That whole fiasco with the 6 states was never considered any more seriously then Taxas in regards to secession.
[editline]5th December 2015[/editline]
Hell if California was to secede we'd likely be better off then Texas. We do control most of the western seaboard as well as having a goodly portion of the high tech industry of the US thanks to silicon valley. Our only real problem with self sufficiency would be food since Central Valley wouldn't be enough to support our entire population without supplementing it with imports.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49253512]Texas has no external threats, and Israel has a defense budget of 16 billion dollars, Canada is 16 billion, and the Netherlands has a defense budget of 10 billion.
Why the fuck do we need a bigger defense budget than Canada who actually has to contend with the Russians violating their air space and waters?[/QUOTE]
Dude, it doesn't matter if Texas doesn't have a Syria next to it, they'd have to effectively rebuild their military, their police forces, secure the boarder, establish trade treaties, not to mention work out how to supply themselves with power once the coal trains and oil pipelines stop, and then workout how to pay for all of that without the massive amounts of federal aid they get. Plus an independent Texas would have the cartels invading the next day because they could takeover half of Texas without the threat of the US military or the US police forces
Also I remind you those oil refineries don't belong to Texas, they belong to bp, she'll, Exxon and are not run by texans
There are plenty of refineries on the west coast and around Texas. Holding that up as the Trump card is as stupid as when the snp was saying they'd own all of Britain's oil fields if they went independent, it isn't going to work out in texas's favor
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49253990]You have no idea what you're talking about lol. That whole fiasco with the 6 states was never considered any more seriously then Taxas in regards to secession.
[editline]5th December 2015[/editline]
Hell if California was to secede we'd likely be better off then Texas. We do control most of the western seaboard as well as having a goodly portion of the high tech industry of the US thanks to silicon valley. Our only real problem with self sufficiency would be food since Central Valley wouldn't be enough to support our entire population without supplementing it with imports.[/QUOTE]
California independence wouldnt be better off than Texas at all.
[QUOTE=OvB;49254050]California independence wouldnt be better off than Texas at all.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying we'd be in a good position at all mind you.
[QUOTE=Mr.Moustachio;49252367]they probably aren't the ones pushing for secession[/QUOTE]
Bingo. If Texas were to seccede, they would pull off that "state's rights" thing and things would get ... weird.
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