• Chiropractor breaks baby's neck.
    95 replies, posted
[QUOTE=The golden;42343164]RayvenQ's back is actually pretty badly fucked up. He posted about it a few years ago(?) I think. He was in extreme crippling pain. He's not full of shit. [/QUOTE] The only bad thing about it is that i got a few days of blissful pain free life and then it comes back to hit you like a train, and now, sadly, it doesn't work on me anymore as they can't really adjust my spine far enough for it to help. Also, seriously, fuck my long term health, I'd rather live short with a life free of pain than live a long life of suffering.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;42343122]Tell that to someone who got actual, blessed (if only somewhat temporary) relief from agonising, non stop, near crippling pain, and see how they react. Oh, right, I'd be one of those people and you're wrong. It's not homeopathic, or bullshit, or a placebo, it can and does work and brings actual relief. Sure, there may be people out there who claim it can do a bajillion impossible things, and those are just liars, but it does work. And in my case,if I had had it performed young enough, it may have given my body a chance to recover from what it was suffering from long enough that the condition is positively affected for my entire life. Sadly it wasn't so I have a whole slew of problems, chief amongst which is constant, lingering, near crippling pain every single moment I am awake. Although the only kinds of chiropractors I've met are the ones who don't come with a boatload of metaphysical stuff and instead just focus on actual treatment via spinal adjustment/manipulation[/QUOTE] No one here, except few, claimed that chiro is a load of shit all together. It's a load of shit if you claim that it's helpful for 2 week old babies. I've been to chiro loads of times because of my back and every time I come out of there I feel better. It does work for muscular pain and eases joint movement, no question about it. If you've never been to a chiro and don't know how it feels, imagine the feeling you get when you crack your fingers after a long writing session or some other shit like that. That feeling x100.
[QUOTE=krail9;42343167][citation needed][/QUOTE] [quote=wikipedia][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic#Controversy_and_criticism"]whereas another review found manual therapies in general to be effective for back pain, neck pain, some forms of headaches and some extremity joint conditions.[/URL][/quote]
On the quack scale, chiropractic inhabits a broad range; from genuine therapeutic effects to the unfortunately rather more common horseshit-smothered twats who claim it can do something for people other than relieve some kinds of neck and back pain e.g. vertebral subluxation, curing asthma or colic in children etc. Quite a lot of chiropractors also hold other barmy opinions which they pass on to patients in the guise of medical advice. Sanitise the profession, cut off the rotting flesh of quackery and hold them to the same standards as every other medical profession.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;42343202]On the quack scale.[/QUOTE] Your avatar agrees with that statement and at loss of words for this new bulletin
Go to a physiotherapist rather than a chiropractor, that way you can avoid all the quackery but still get good treatment.
[QUOTE=Mr._N;42342859]Like this bullshit: [video=youtube;T7ihdsjIqhI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7ihdsjIqhI[/video][/QUOTE] Christ, that's just scary. Reminds me of that bit from Freddy Got Fingered where he starts swinging that newborn baby around screaming "I'LL WAKE UP YOUR BABY, WAKE UP YOUR BABY WAKEY WAKEY". Ahh here it is, 3 minutes 45 seconds; [video=youtube;PZVac0GnZ9g&t=3m46s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZVac0GnZ9g&t=3m46s[/video] Also, I'm seeing a chiropractor at the moment. I've had some long term issues with my posture that's actually having a physical impact on my bone structure (I'm not far off having the first signs of fused discs or degenerative bone damage, and I'm only 27 fer chrissakes breh). Still, I'm one of the most skeptical guys out there and I can tell without a doubt that after 6 weeks of work it's made a huge difference. The most obvious thing for me is that I can now stand still, turn my head and actually see BEHIND me... that was impossible for me before, but having been that way for so long you don't question that it's not normal. Just saying that for the people that think chiropractic is bullshit... I don't think children, or babies especially need it as they're still in a developmental stage and with simple posture adjustments and knowledge on how to maintain their bodies, they can 9 times out of 10 naturally correct any given issue. But that baby swinging 'yoga' bullshit just worries me to no end. One tiny bone defect or mis-move and you'll either severely injure or even possibly kill one of those babies. Not good at all.
[QUOTE=The golden;42343223]My dad went to one when he had his pinched nerve problem. He spent like 2 weeks going in to the office to spent an hour in some weird contraption that made him look like an idiot and he left feeling worse than he went in. When asking how he was going to deal with the pain, he was given a list of narcotics and drugs for him to take. Instead he visits a chiropractor which was recommended by a friend - the chiro lays him down on a table, releases tension on the muscle which was pinching the nerve, and he's good and done within like 2 days. What Doom said is correct though - there is some quackery involved in the chiropractic world. It's not all bullshit though. A good professionally trained chiropractor can be a goddamn miracle worker when you are in horrible pain.[/QUOTE] "Some" quackery? The entire field is quackery, the only actual legitimate parts are the ones shared with physiotherapists. Since we're brining anecdotal evidence into this, my mother injured her back a few years ago and went to a chiropractor, he just made it worse, when to a physiotherapist and he made to better.
[QUOTE=The golden;42343184]are you saying this because you are honestly not aware that chiropractic procedures do work and have been proven to do quite extensively or are you just afraid to admit that it actually does work?[/QUOTE] why the loaded question? I simply don't believe it works while personally I've been fortunate not to need it, I know a couple of people who have sought chiropractic treatment and gotten fuck-all from it (specifically for lower back and hip pain, debilitating shoulder pain) anecdotes aside, there really is no reliable evidence that it works, and given entire practice is still rooted in pseudoscientific thinking (without even a consensus on the effectiveness on those techniques within their regulatory bodies), in addition to the ridiculous cost, I'm extremely weary of its supposed effectiveness until it can be proven scientifically [QUOTE=Lord of Ears;42343200]wikipedia[/QUOTE] yeah ok how cherry-picked does this need to be when you snip the first part of the sentence: [QUOTE]A critical evaluation found that research has not demonstrated that spinal manipulation, the main treatment method employed by chiropractors, is effective for any medical condition, with the possible exception of treatment for back pain,[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=The golden;42343223]My dad went to one when he had his pinched nerve problem. He spent like 2 weeks going in to the office to spent an hour in some weird contraption that made him look like an idiot and he left feeling worse than he went in. When asking how he was going to deal with the pain, he was given a list of narcotics and drugs for him to take. Instead he visits a chiropractor which was recommended by a friend - the chiro lays him down on a table, releases tension on the muscle which was pinching the nerve, and he's good and done within like 2 days. What Doom said is correct though - there is some quackery involved in the chiropractic world. It's not all bullshit though. A good professionally trained chiropractor can be a goddamn miracle worker when you are in horrible pain.[/QUOTE]I do recall saying the quackery is a more common feature of chiropractors. Without it, they're superfluous to physiotherapists except that the lower standards for chiropractors make the few potentially helpful treatments more accessible.
I never knew people even thought chiro does nothing. Though, it seems like the ones saying its bad are from other countries, perhaps things are different there? I live in the US. My mother has had back problems all her life. Pretty much since she was 20, she had to go to a chiropractor off and on. Her back would get stiff and hurt like hell, shed go to a chiro for a while, and shed be back to normal for a while. Finally, 4 years ago, she went to see a doctor about it. Tests were ran, they found out she had a ruptured disc. They operated, fixed it up, her back was perfect for two years. Then, it hurt bad again. Took her to a chiropractor, he was able to tell exactly where the issue was, as well as pop her back and help relieve the pain. This went on for 6 months. She slowly got better, then all the sudden she went way down hill. Chiro said it was time to get more scans to see what was going on. Turned out another disc ruptured. Operated, did a second back surgery, now shes struggling to recover. Theres a possibility of another ruptured disc. Anyways, for people with just a sore back, a chiro can work wonders. Theyre also a good way to check for more serious back issues. They most likely cant fix serious issues, but they can for sure help buy some time before an operation. Calling chiro worthless, saying it doesnt work, etc is a bit silly. A good chiropractor can really do wonders. There is a big difference between an okay one and a good one. My mom used to see one that literally just popped your back, took your money, and sent you on your way. The new one she saw took the time to actually check her spine, feel it as she moved to see if everything was moving properly. He even checked her neck. Threw his checking of her spine, we were able to find out that two sections were not bending properly and sticking. Threw the 6 months, he kept monitoring the sections to see how they were doing. As for chiro on a baby.. seems kind of odd to me. I could imagine it on a young child if it had back issues, but a baby is pretty fragile, as we can see from the outcome
Chiropractors can quickly "fix" stuff like compressed nerves or stiff backs, but it's in no way a replacement for exercise, which actually fixes the problem at the root instead of just fixing it temporarily until it comes back. You went to the chiropractor and now your back feels fine and not stiff anymore? Good, that means you can start exercising so it won't come back. It's a bit like painkillers, you aren't supposed to touch the stove, take a painkiller, then touch it again when the pain is dulled. I have no idea who would think taking babies there is a good idea.
Honestly Chiropractors do take advantage of people (lower bills at first but many concurrent treatments based on bullshit diagnosis). The idea that you can fix your skeletal structure through manipulation is just total bogus it's hilarious to me. This isn't medicine by any measure and I'm sorry any of you have been fooled by it. The fact many chiropractors have been known to push anti-vaccination tendency just further proves how dangerous and manipulative they can be. [url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-09/crackdown-on-chiros-who-promote-anit-vaccinations/4877312[/url]
It's not really surprising chiropractors and anti-vaccine stances run hand in hand, the guy who created the field thought diseases were actually just issues with the spine, and thought you could cure stuff like small pox through manipulating the spine.
Why would anyone want to have their spine manipulated by someone other than a physio beats me. Chiropractors scare me because for whatever reason they think that simple manipulations solve many unrelated problems - and more often than not, the manipulation makes the situation worse for the patient. [editline]29th September 2013[/editline] It is also bullshit that they can call themselves doctors.
[QUOTE=Crazy;42342810]Why would you need to take a baby to the chiro? Babies are like rubber for fuck sake.[/QUOTE] It's for stuff like Hip Dysplasia, I think stuff like that can be quite common in infants.
i dunno much about chiropractors and whatnot but my parents go to the local backbreaker every now and then to alleviate their back pains, works good for them but what kind of a moron would bring a baby to a chiropractor
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;42343122] Although the only kinds of chiropractors I've met are the ones who don't come with a boatload of metaphysical stuff and instead just focus on actual treatment via spinal adjustment/manipulation[/QUOTE] "There are two kinds of chiropractors - those who claim to fix back problems, and those who claim to fix diabetes"
that's fucked up
[QUOTE=kebab52;42343614]It's for stuff like Hip Dysplasia, I think stuff like that can be quite common in infants.[/QUOTE] How about you take the kid to an actual doctor then?
Chiropractors can be legitimate, but a lot of back problems are simply due to having a weak back and bad posture from poor flexibility. I think it's silly the number of people who go to physical therapy and chiropractors for joint problems when all they do is sit on their ass 24/7.
I've been to two kinds of places that manipulated my joints. One of the chiropractic places that claimed it fixed everything, and a professional sports medicine physical therapist. The sports therapist was better and not full of bullshit. Though the chiropractor did give a mean neck massage and had relaxing music. I recommend seeing a physical therapist for joint problems.
[QUOTE=OvB;42343817]I've been to two kinds of places that manipulated my joints. One of the chiropractic places that claimed it fixed everything, and a professional sports medicine physical therapist. The sports therapist was better and not full of bullshit. Though the chiropractor did give a mean neck massage and had relaxing music. I recommend seeing a physical therapist for joint problems.[/QUOTE] Generally speaking, sports [I]anything[/I] tends to be far more accurate and scientific. The industry runs off of having strong, healthy players, so there's a lot more incentive to actually say and do what works rather than selling snake oil for profit.
You guys and your technical talk about chiropractic work. I just go cause I love to hear my back cracking like popcorn kernels in a goddamned volcano!
[QUOTE=Mr._N;42342859]Like this bullshit: [video=youtube;T7ihdsjIqhI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7ihdsjIqhI[/video][/QUOTE] What the fuck
Seriously this is just pathetic. How do you not know that babies are fragile creatures and need to be handled with care. It's not some fucking secret or taboo knowledge. I just don't even, what the fuck.
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;42342875]My aunt's cousin is a fucking nut. She only lets her kids eat iodised salt and zero sugar, tv, games and limited radio. Every day they run a freaking marathon, and some days they pass out. The youngest one is five ffs. She also home schools them because real schools are corrupt or some bullshit like that. The kids are gonna grow up completely disconnected from the world.[/QUOTE] Sounds exactly like me, stop it before it's too late. Call the CPS on her yourself anonymously.
It doesn't sound like she is doing anything illegal, so I doubt any govt agency would be able to do anything.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;42344311]It doesn't sound like she is doing anything illegal, so I doubt any govt agency would be able to do anything.[/QUOTE] They could make it illegal for starters
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;42343151]You're easily fooled, good for you, I went into my treatment entirely believing it wouldn't work, expecting it not to, but it did, albeit temporarily (I'm talking about the spinal thing not any of the metaphysical bullshit) conversely, I'm at the maximum amount of the strongest painkillers that my doctor will allow me to have, and those don't make a dent. My condition is spinal, my spinal cord constantly rubs against my vertabrae because they are misaligned, the specific type of chiropractic treatment I took, forcibly shifted the vertabrae just enough to relieve the pressure from my spinal cord. To put in perspective just how much pain I face daily, I had a pretty serious burn on my thumb the other day, but felt absoloutely no pain from it because the pain from my back was overwhelming every other sensation of pain i get, even scalds and burns. Sure, there can be side effects, but thats the case with nearly any form of treatment.[/QUOTE] Dude you're scaring me. I just learned today that my spine was crooked, and that it was the cause for my minor back aches.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.