• Gay Conservatives to HRC: “Shut Up” About Bachmann
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fuck off chris barron when there's obvious dumbfuckery going on the thing to do is call people out on it not stay silent self-hating homosexuals are not uncommon, in fact you'll find there's a whole industry waiting to convert people who are scared of being gay
[QUOTE=Nikota;31228172]Gay conservatives. You wanted sense? Ha.[/QUOTE] being conservative doesn't just apply to social issues. they could be gay fiscal conservatives. i don't see anything odd about that. there could just as easily be skinhead liberals that support free healthcare or something.
[QUOTE=Tunak Mk. II;31234724]being conservative doesn't just apply to social issues. they could be gay fiscal conservatives. i don't see anything odd about that. there could just as easily be skinhead liberals that support free healthcare or something.[/QUOTE]"I know I'm supporting a party that thinks I'm an immoral abomination out to destroy America, but goddamn do I hate it when poor people get my tax dollars!"
[QUOTE=Mingebox;31234834]"I know I'm supporting a party that thinks I'm an immoral abomination out to destroy America, but goddamn do I hate it when poor people get my tax dollars!"[/QUOTE] Is it really that hard to believe? Just consider our infrastructure and education in comparison with the rest of the world.
The Tea Party and extremists =! Republican party.
[QUOTE=Reimu;31235212]The Tea Party and extremists =! Republican party.[/QUOTE] I would agree except that Tea Party politicians like Rand Paul and Michelle Bachmann were elected on the Republican ticket and are listed as Republicans in government records.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31236495]I would agree except that Tea Party politicians like Rand Paul and Michelle Bachmann were elected on the Republican ticket and are listed as Republicans in government records.[/QUOTE] They're a splinter group though, who just shuffle back into the Republican party at the end of the day. They're a group within a group. Not necessarily the group where the Republicans reside.
[QUOTE=Reimu;31236573]They're a splinter group though, who just shuffle back into the Republican party at the end of the day. They're a group within a group. Not necessarily the group where the Republicans reside.[/QUOTE] It's not a splinter group if they're still in the group you say they "splintered" from.
Why are politics so fucking stupid?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31236738]It's not a splinter group if they're still in the group you say they "splintered" from.[/QUOTE] Maybe splinter group isn't the best term, but it's not de facto what all Republicans subscribe to. A lot of the ideas the Tea Party preach coincide with Republican ideology - reduced government spending, originalism - but it also encompasses a range of ideas which most Americans agree with. Reduction of the national debt and reducing the deficit. 99% of Tea Party members, according to a Washington Post poll, are concerned about the economy as Tea Party members: it's basically a movement against the current economic state of America. And there are plenty of non-Republican members too. A poll that went out a little while ago found that 45% of Tea Party members were either Democrat or Independent. Not all Republicans subscribe to it though for a lot of varying reasons. Some Republicans agree with their main ideology, but don't agree with other core beliefs such as Originalism or libertarianism. A lot of Republicans refuse to align themselves with the Tea Party, because they feel the party is full of bigotry specifically aimed at Obama or the ignorant idea that he is Muslim, born out of the US, etc. And, there's of course, people who refuse to align themselves with folks like Sarah Palin and Bachmann, who they feel are idiots. Moderate Republicans, especially folks like Colin Powell, refuse to align themselves with the Tea Party for that reason. In the end of the day, Tea Party members are most likely Republicans who cherish their party over anything. But it's not right to say, "Well, the Tea Party IS what Republicans thinks," because it's not at ALL representative of every Republican. That's like saying all Democrats agree with Gay marriage, all Tea Party members are Republican, all Republicans support the War on Terror, etc etc. There are some that are, and some that aren't.
reimu, FPs very own republican apologist
Yes, because trying to understand both sides of the spectrum must mean I sympathize with Republicans. Branding conservatism as the problem isn't any better than saying all liberals are Satanists and the Statue of Liberty is a pagan symbol of worship, fyi.
[QUOTE=Nikota;31228172]Gay conservatives. You wanted sense? Ha. [editline]20th July 2011[/editline] They also showed up to some super republican convention and got called out.[/QUOTE] They're not sexually confused, they're politically confused
[QUOTE=Reimu;31238629]Yes, because trying to understand both sides of the spectrum must mean I sympathize with Republicans. Branding conservatism as the problem isn't any better than saying all liberals are Satanists and the Statue of Liberty is a pagan symbol of worship, fyi.[/QUOTE] Except for the most part it is the problem. Even if you ignore their absolutely atrocious social policy, their economics are still awful. Trickle-Down Economics? Laissez-Faire Capitalism? Please, don't pretend these are even half good schools of thought.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31238879]Except for the most part it is the problem. Even if you ignore their absolutely atrocious social policy, their economics are still awful. Trickle-Down Economics? Laissez-Faire Capitalism? Please, don't pretend these are even half good schools of thought.[/QUOTE] Economics need regulation, that's true. But we only hurt ourselves more by looking at the issue, and lumping in the rational with the irrational and then throwing our hands up and crying that liberalism is the only way to go. There are some conservative ideas that I agree with, and some more liberal ideas I agree with. I like big government. I like border control. I like Obama's health care plan. I don't like Barney Frank's health care plan. There's more than one way to skin a cat though, and you can't say there's just one path to go. That said, whatever you choose to believe is perfectly fine with me. It's just important to be open-minded about things.
I can't believe that Bachmann is actually a contender for the GOP nomination. It's ridiculous.
I've never understood the logic of the Log Cabin Republicans and GOProud. I mean especially nowadays the Republican Party is capitulating more and more to social conservatism as a crutch. I remember awhile back here in Texas some gay Republicans- either affiliated to GOProud or LCR, were asked about their thoughts regarding the Texas GOP adding in a proposal to criminalize gay marriage. They kind of dodged the question, saying like the ones in the OP that they needed to talk to the party leaders personally. For those of you curious about it, here is the [url=http://static.texastribune.org/media/documents/FINAL_2010_STATE_REPUBLICAN_PARTY_PLATFORM.pdf]Texas GOP 2010 platform[/url]. And some highlights: [quote] Marriage Licenses – We support legislation that would make it a felony to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple and for any civil official to perform a marriage ceremony for such. Homosexuality – We believe that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit, and leads to the spread of dangerous, communicable diseases. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country’s founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable “alternative” lifestyle in our public education and policy, nor should “family” be redefined to include homosexual “couples.” We are opposed to any granting of special legal entitlements, refuse to recognize, or grant special privileges including, but not limited to: marriage between persons of the same sex (regardless of state of origin), custody of children by homosexuals, homosexual partner insurance or retirement benefits. We oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values. Texas Sodomy Statutes – We oppose the legalization of sodomy. We demand that Congress exercise its authority granted by the U.S. Constitution to withhold jurisdiction from the federal courts from cases involving sodomy. [/quote] There's other stupid shit in there too, but I only highlighted things that were brought up to the gay Republicans here and what their thoughts were on the matter. But in the long haul, the Democratic Party isn't much better for gays either. When push comes to shove they've been willing to put gay rights on the backburner. I'm not sure why they hold any illusions in Bachmann. If they want to not waste their time and money they should focus on another GOP candidate, but again considering the climate...
[QUOTE=J!NX;31236979]Why are [b]republicans[/b] so fucking stupid?[/QUOTE] Fixed.
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