Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threatened' by their Presen
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[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41981311]of course you think it's weird, you literally don't think racism is even a problem nowadays (remember how you said that, in the same thread where you said it's fine to hire a white person over a black person because whites are less risk??)[/QUOTE]
no i don't remember how i said that and neither do you, go find where i said that and maybe then you'd not be misrepresenting someone simply for disagreeing with you on the true cause of poverty now-a-days.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41981156]Okay so you have 25 people, ALL BLACK PEOPLE, who are being told to leave because one WHITE dude felt threatened by them, in the US, and in a state that was really heavy on racism not even a century ago.
I think it's safe to say that people are assuming it's racism for more reasons than just preconceptions.
I'm really looking forward to an article on some bald youths beating up a rabbi and you going "are we SURE these were neo nazis being antisemite ? The article is just biased and makes assumptions based on preconceptions !"[/QUOTE]
Race is entirely different from physical attributes and jobs.
Not anyone shaves their head, and there aren't that many rabbi's.
77% of everyone in America is white, and 14% are Black (pure African, not including all the various other genetic scrambles in between the two and others)
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;41981368]stfu white knight, it's statistics
people in poverty are more likely to engage in criminal activities
therefore, we should just plain ban or kick out african customers as they come because they are a higher risk of committing crime in places
it's statistics, it's not racist, i swear
if the statistics pointed to white people, i'd say the same thing, i promise!!
higher risk!!!!![/QUOTE]
now personally i'd say that if a party of 25 people was being annoying or something they should be kicked out, but obviously since they're black they should be immune from being judged because that's racism
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;41981368]stfu white knight, it's statistics
people in poverty are more likely to engage in criminal activities
therefore, we should just plain ban or kick out african customers as they come because they are a higher risk of committing crime in places
it's statistics, it's not racist, i swear
if the statistics pointed to white people, i'd say the same thing, i promise!!
higher risk!!!!![/QUOTE]
There we go again, implying implications which are nonexistent.
Nobody is saying it's OK to kick someone out because of their race, people are saying that you're jumping the gun by calling this racist. It was twenty five people. TWENTY FIVE. That's more than half an average restaurant's capacity. There's a real good chance that after waiting for two hours straight some of them got a little stir-crazy.
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If the headline was "25 people removed from restaurant after complaint", nobody would bat an eye.
[QUOTE=katbug;41981534]There we go again, implying implications which are nonexistent.
Nobody is saying it's OK to kick someone out because of their race, people are saying that you're jumping the gun by calling this racist[B]. It was twenty five people. TWENTY FIVE. That's more than half an average restaurant's capacity. There's a real good chance that after waiting for two hours straight some of them got a little stir-crazy.[/B]
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first, i was only making fun of lambadvanced's comments that is okay to discriminate against black people in hiring cause they're a higher risk and putting that logic to this :))))
second, do you have proof any of them went stir-crazy or are you assuming things
[quote]Michael Brown says he was celebrating his cousin's last day in Charleston last month at Wild Wing Cafe in North Charleston. He says after his party of 25 waited two hours for a table, the shift manager told them there was a "situation."
"She said there's a situation where one of our customers feels threatened by your party, so she asked us not to seat you in our section, which totally alarmed all of us because we're sitting there peaceably for two hours," explains Brown. "Obviously, if we were causing any conflict, we would have been ejected out of the place hours before."[/quote]
there is no conflicting statement that says they were being rowdy or 'stir-crazy', otherwise the restaurant would've said so
instead, they gave them all a free meal
p.s: its a fucking wild wing cafe, it's a sports bar, you know what that is right? if a sports bar isn't loud, business is slow
'stir-crazy' lol, give me a break
p.s.s: no shit nobody would bat an eye if 25 people were ejected from a sports bar, it serves no context, what kind of fucking point is this lol
theres a real chance some of them got a little stir-crazy and starting blasting hip-hop music while firing their guns
lolwutdude keep in mind youre talking to someone who stated:
[quote]They're not saying the culture is bad because they're black, they're saying that the culture that "black culture" refers to is bad. And that culture is pretty much objectively bad, glorifying drug use, being in gangs, and committing crimes. Just listen to pretty much ANY modern rap album to hear what I'm talking about.[/quote]
[QUOTE=thisispain;41981612]theres a real chance some of them got a little stir-crazy and starting blasting hip-hop music while firing their guns
lolwutdude keep in mind youre talking to someone who stated:[/QUOTE]
[quote]It probably needs a new name, but as of right now, "black culture" and "gang culture" are used pretty much synonymously from what I've seen.[/quote]
I that post I was referring to how gang culture and black culture are used synonymously, and therefore it wouldn't be entirely incorrect to say that "Black culture" (not real black culture, the "Black culture" that the media and music industries portray) isn't the best thing in the whole wide world.
C- for reading comprehension.
[QUOTE=PassTheBong;41974181]I'm still entitled.
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You're not entitled to your stupid fucking opinion if you can't argue for it.
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[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41980631]I think it's weird that this is automatically turned into a race thing, it is more likely it was just a legitimate complaint/worry, seems contrived.[/QUOTE]
How is it [I]not[/I] a race issue? There was a party of 25 locals (that were also frequent customers) in a restaurant that just so happened to be black. The white person that complained said he felt threatened, even though their party did NOTHING.
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[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41980654]Would this be seen as a race issue if the group was 25 white people instead?
Probably would still be seen as racism, actually, because white people are always racist.[/QUOTE]
would it be the same if [hyperbole and/or changing positions]
can we just make this "argument" illegal or something
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;41981669]You're not entitled to your stupid fucking opinion if you can't argue for it.
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How is it [I]not[/I] a race issue? There was a party of 25 locals (that were also frequent customers) in a restaurant that just so happened to be black. The white person that complained said he felt threatened, even though their party did NOTHING.
[editline]27th August 2013[/editline]
would it be the same if [hyperbole and/or changing positions]
can we just make this "argument" illegal or something[/QUOTE]
I really doubt they did nothing, honestly I would not be surprised if they were just being annoying and loud, or even a little weird, them being 25 people and all. And "just so happened" is the keyword, coincidence, I don't think it's a race issue because race likely didn't play a role in the complaint, and regardless, I still think it's a little weird to assume that it did.
Oh yes, something is wrong with telling you that the only reason you think that this is bad is because of a bias, I could understand why you'd want to make something that jeopardizes your narrow minded thinking.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41981770]I really doubt they did nothing, honestly I would not be surprised if they were just being annoying and loud, or even a little weird, them being 25 people and all. And "just so happened" is the keyword, coincidence, I don't think it's a race issue because race likely didn't play a role in the complaint, and regardless, I still think it's a little weird to assume that it did.
Oh yes, something is wrong with telling you that the only reason you think that this is bad is because of a bias, I could understand why you'd want to make something that jeopardizes your narrow minded thinking.[/QUOTE]
If they were being loud and annoying, they probably would have been kicked out during their 2 hour wait period.
and lol, nice attack at the end of your post
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41981770]I really doubt they did nothing, honestly I would not be surprised if they were just being annoying and loud, or even a little weird, them being 25 people and all. And "just so happened" is the keyword, coincidence, I don't think it's a race issue because race likely didn't play a role in the complaint, and regardless, I still think it's a little weird to assume that it did.
Oh yes, something is wrong with telling you that the only reason you think that this is bad is because of a bias, I could understand why you'd want to make something that jeopardizes your narrow minded thinking.[/QUOTE]
wha
You have the gall to pull off devil's advocate in a thread like this and you put down some unwarranted snipes, what's wrong with you?
theres no proof they were being rowdy or being detrimental to the establishment
besides if you think a sports bar should be quiet anyways, you've never visited one or you're not old enough to drink
my friends and i make sure it's pretty loud when we're shouting at the tv as if our football team can hear us from an ocean away
I've been to quite a few Wild Wings and they aren't really a normal sports bar. Sure, they have a bar, but most of the building is normal restaurant seating.
Based on the video they got kicked out for filming the manager without permission, not because of the complaint. We've only heard one side of this story and because of that we essentially know nothing.
For all we know it went like this:
1) The group of 25 people got a little out of hand after waiting 2 hours.
2) A person at a table nearby felt threatened by their behavior.
3) The manager went to ask them to calm down.
4) Someone started filming the manager without permission.
5) They were asked to leave.
I honestly have no idea though and until I've heard the other side it's pointless to give an opinion. Also, North Charleston has a very high percentage of black people compared with the rest of the country, around 50% ([URL]http://www.northcharleston.org/business/econDev/demographics.aspx[/URL]). It would essentially be impossible to run a restaurant in a racist way and not be found out by now.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41980654]Would this be seen as a race issue if the group was 25 white people instead?
Probably would still be seen as racism, actually, because white people are always racist.
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Suddenly, the amount of 10 page long debates in SH gets cut in half.
Guys a disgusting person for asking that and so is the manager for doing it.
I don't care if the manager has the right, that's fucked up so hassle people over nothing.
[QUOTE=eomsten;41975754][IMG]http://www.genericsubject.com/MBW/_Media/right-refuse-services-sign-.gif[/IMG]
As far as I know, this is technically legal. It's the store-owner's discretion.
Just because it's legal doesn't mean I think it's right.[/QUOTE]
You aren't allowed to refuse service on the basis of a protected characteristic (e.g. race, age except where it is an age appropriate service or product, sex, sexual orientation)
This isn't to say you couldn't refuse a person of a certain race because you didn't like their attitude - as long as their race isn't the reason it's lawful.
[QUOTE=eomsten;41975754][IMG]http://www.genericsubject.com/MBW/_Media/right-refuse-services-sign-.gif[/IMG]
As far as I know, this is technically legal. It's the store-owner's discretion.
Just because it's legal doesn't mean I think it's right.[/QUOTE]
what happened borderlined segregation
[QUOTE=eomsten;41975754][IMG]http://www.genericsubject.com/MBW/_Media/right-refuse-services-sign-.gif[/IMG]
As far as I know, this is technically legal. It's the store-owner's discretion.
Just because it's legal doesn't mean I think it's right.[/QUOTE]
refusing service based on race, sexual orientation is not legal afaik
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[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41980654]Would this be seen as a race issue if the group was 25 white people instead?
Probably would still be seen as racism, actually, because white people are always racist.
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hahah holy shit
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;41974382]if their intention wasn't to be threatening why did they decide to be a bunch of black people?? manager was in.the rights here this story is being blown way out of proportion[/QUOTE]
This sounds like something out of an RP server.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41980654]Would this be seen as a race issue if the group was 25 white people instead?
Probably would still be seen as racism, actually, because white people are always racist.
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goodnight sweet shitposter
[QUOTE=eomsten;41975754][IMG]http://www.genericsubject.com/MBW/_Media/right-refuse-services-sign-.gif[/IMG]
As far as I know, this is technically legal. It's the store-owner's discretion.
Just because it's legal doesn't mean I think it's right.[/QUOTE]
Ok if I am a customer, and I m willing to pay $1000 for a large buffet meal and food you have in your restaurant, will you still turn us down?
Seriosuly, this sort of thing is like refusing to take MONEY. They are your customers. Refusing customers is refusing money
[QUOTE=BCell;41983449]Ok if I am a customer, and I m willing to pay $1000 for a large buffet meal and food you have in your restaurant, will you still turn us down?
Seriosuly, this sort of thing is like refusing to take MONEY. They are your customers. Refusing customers is refusing money[/QUOTE]
Unless the acceptance of those customers will lose you more customers in the end.
We have literally no idea about what really happened. We have the words from one guy who got kicked out... and nothing more. Even he said they got kicked out because of the video recording and not because of the threat.
Yeah, sure, the guy says they were sitting "peaceably," but how do we know that? His incentive is to make his group look as good as possible.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41980654]Would this be seen as a race issue if the group was 25 white people instead?
Probably would still be seen as racism, actually, because white people are always racist.
[highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Shitposting - already had a last chance" - Megafan))[/highlight][/QUOTE]hahaha finally thank you mega
[url]http://www.radiofacts.com/woman-wild-wings-contacts-radio-facts-states-black-patrons-asked-leave-several-reasons/#[/url]
Here is the other side of the story since I didn't see it posted.
[QUOTE=Charades;42000140][url]http://www.radiofacts.com/woman-wild-wings-contacts-radio-facts-states-black-patrons-asked-leave-several-reasons/#[/url]
Here is the other side of the story since I didn't see it posted.[/QUOTE]
So about half of Facepunch it seems fell for media sensationalism without even hearing the full story?
[QUOTE=matt000024;42000442]So about half of Facepunch it seems fell for media sensationalism without even hearing the full story?[/QUOTE]
Is water wet? Is the Pope Catholic?
[QUOTE=matt000024;42000442]So about half of Facepunch it seems fell for media sensationalism without even hearing the full story?[/QUOTE]
I can't see the story because my school hates news sites, but I'm just guessing that this source tells more about the story?
If so, I called it from a mile away. A restaurant would never boot out that many customers just for the sake of it.
[QUOTE=katbug;42000561]I can't see the story because my school hates news sites, but I'm just guessing that this source tells more about the story?
If so, I called it from a mile away. A restaurant would never boot out that many customers just for the sake of it.[/QUOTE]
The restaurants "side" was pretty much that the customers who were asked to leave were just being overall douches to everyone including staff.
[QUOTE=Charades;42000140][url]http://www.radiofacts.com/woman-wild-wings-contacts-radio-facts-states-black-patrons-asked-leave-several-reasons/#[/url]
Here is the other side of the story since I didn't see it posted.[/QUOTE]
Why would she contact a blog before the major outlets?
[QUOTE=pkhzor;42001936]The restaurants "side" was pretty much that the customers who were asked to leave were just being overall douches to everyone including staff.[/QUOTE]
I knew it.
Not everything is a massive social debate, guys. Some things logically just won't happen.
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[quote]They kept complaining about their long wait and were talking about how “whitey” was able to get seated, but they were not. - See more at: [url]http://www.radiofacts.com/woman-wild-wings-contacts-radio-facts-states-black-patrons-asked-leave-several-reasons/#sthash.C1BT5yhp.dpuf[/url][/quote]
[i]nice.[/i]
[quote]The customer that was offended was offended by a particular individual’s constant uses of the word “n*gger” When asked to stop, he threw out a long string of racial epithets against one of my co-workers. - See more at: [url]http://www.radiofacts.com/woman-wild-wings-contacts-radio-facts-states-black-patrons-asked-leave-several-reasons/#sthash.C1BT5yhp.dpuf[/url][/quote]
[i][b]NICE[/b][/i]
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