• Singapore sentences young German vandals to nine months in prison, and three strokes of cane for sp
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[QUOTE=Ignhelper;47281488]I should also mention, that they broke into a train depot, while the crime is small, the breach is a serious issue, and there's constant alert for terrorism here, so this country does not take it lightly. It could had been terrorist planting bombs on the trains.[/QUOTE] And so, we have entered the era where fear of terror is the justification for authoritarianism. /ILLUMINATICONFIRMED *BANG*
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;47279629]Singapore has some pretty backwards and severe punishments for light offenses. Especially drug related stuff. They execute for that.[/QUOTE] That may be, however if you go to someone else's country and commit crimes there then you asked for, and deserve, any punishment their laws call for. Here in the US, in some states, we have capital punishment. If a foreigner comes here from a country that does not allow capital punishment, and commits a capital crime, do we say "Well, his people don't go for the death penalty, so we can't execute him"? No, he gets whatever sentence we can legally, in our system, throw at him.
[QUOTE=certified;47281618]And so, we have entered the era where fear of terror is the justification for authoritarianism. /ILLUMINATICONFIRMED *BANG*[/QUOTE] How is persecuting criminals authoritarian?
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;47281656]That may be, however if you go to someone else's country and commit crimes there then you asked for, and deserve, any punishment their laws call for. Here in the US, in some states, we have capital punishment. If a foreigner comes here from a country that does not allow capital punishment, and commits a capital crime, do we say "Well, his people don't go for the death penalty, so we can't execute him"? No, he gets whatever sentence we can legally, in our system, throw at him.[/QUOTE] And the death penalty is also barbaric and unjustified.
A good measure of advice, don't intentionally commit crimes, especially overseas. Anyways, Graffiti vandalization is such a blatant disrespect in any culture. It's akin to theft in my eyes because you're forcing someone, or a community, into spending their resources to fix what you intentionally damaged. Graffiti art can be beautiful, but not when it involves vandalization.
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;47281488]It could had been terrorist planting bombs on the trains.[/QUOTE] but it wasn't. and besides, if they were then surely it's more about the failure of security, which isn't gonna get fixed by caning people
Caning is a relic of history that has no place in the modern world, however I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone who willing goes to another country and knowingly breaks the law. It isn't like laws against trespassing and vandalism are out of the ordinary, and while they might argue they didn't know the punishment was likely to involve caning, if anything that just goes to show--regardless of how "barbaric" it is--the punishment likely would have been an effective deterrent in this case.
Maybe if he had seen Weird Al's [I]Headline News[/I] first.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;47281656]That may be, however if you go to someone else's country and commit crimes there then you asked for, and deserve, any punishment their laws call for. Here in the US, in some states, we have capital punishment. If a foreigner comes here from a country that does not allow capital punishment, and commits a capital crime, do we say "Well, his people don't go for the death penalty, so we can't execute him"? No, he gets whatever sentence we can legally, in our system, throw at him.[/QUOTE] All that means is that the justice system of said jurisdiction is ass-backwards and needs to change. Don't get me wrong, I don't condone what these guys did on any level, but neither do I condone the punishment meted out to them on any level.
[QUOTE=Scratch.;47280510][img]http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2015/03/06/1227251/858802-9c92c1dc-c383-11e4-bdbb-25549bb81a95.jpg[/img] [url]http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/german-graffiti-vandals-ordered-jailed-caned-in-singapore/story-fnh81fz8-1227251859675[/url][/QUOTE] just like to point out this is post-cleaning the car, unless they were writting with sprayable hair dye
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;47279629]Singapore has some pretty backwards and severe punishments for light offenses. Especially drug related stuff. They execute for that.[/QUOTE] You call drugs 'light offenses'?
Just looked up caning aftermath... ouch
[QUOTE=iAmaNewb;47283962]You call drugs 'light offenses'?[/QUOTE] Yeah, usually no victim but the user. And even then, what harm done is often smaller than the damage done by alcohol or cigarettes.
I remember asking for an immigration card while on a flight back to Singapore just to see what it looked like it looked like this; [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/SingaporeEmbarkationCard.png[/img]
[QUOTE=_Kent_;47284128]Yeah, usually no victim but the user.[/QUOTE] We're talking about drug trafficking, which could potentially have hundreds of victims.
[QUOTE=angelangel;47284137]We're talking about drug trafficking, which could potentially have hundreds of victims.[/QUOTE] Hold the phone, we are still talking about weed right? Do you think it's acceptable to use the death penalty for possession of over 500 grams of weed?
[QUOTE=angelangel;47284137]We're talking about drug trafficking, which could potentially have hundreds of victims.[/QUOTE] And not one of those "victims" has not personally made the decision to take the risk. When you smuggle drugs, you don't violate anyone's rights. You violate a disgraceful law.
As someone visiting to Singapore, I was kinda paranoid to do anything. It's a lovely city, but harsh penalties to crimes.
[QUOTE=Dubeard;47284715]As someone visiting to Singapore, I was kinda paranoid to do anything. It's a lovely city, but harsh penalties to crimes.[/QUOTE] Seriously their punishments for smallest of things are backwards and inhumane. Shame really.
[QUOTE=_Kent_;47284128]Yeah, usually no victim but the user. And even then, what harm done is often smaller than the damage done by alcohol or cigarettes.[/QUOTE] I'm a pro-weed guy but if you're saying the harm in taking crack and heroin is smaller than alcohol or cigarette, you're stupid as shit.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;47284186]Hold the phone, we are still talking about weed right? Do you think it's acceptable to use the death penalty for possession of over 500 grams of weed?[/QUOTE] I was talking about drugs and drug trafficking in general and no, I think in this day and age it's about time we moved away from capital punishment. [QUOTE=DrTaxi;47284671]And not one of those "victims" has not personally made the decision to take the risk. When you smuggle drugs, you don't violate anyone's rights. You violate a disgraceful law.[/QUOTE] I get all that but how is a law against drug trafficking disgraceful? (sans capital punishment)
Execution for drug smugglers is pretty bad. Most of the people being executed are just mules, and I don't expect the drug producers put much more value on their lives than they would an actual mule so its hardly an effective deterrent... Except for making it a bit harder to recruit mules I suppose. Caning vandals though, that's both funny and deserved xD Should introduce that elsewhere, might cut down on shithead behavior...
[img]http://i.imgur.com/2Zzxs56.png[/img] Look out guys, someone cares about ratings and he's grumpy. Calm down guy. Are you just mad because we're calling out your country's barbaric punishments for breaking the law? It's not so bad, I mean, my country still has the death penalty.
[QUOTE=draugur;47285076][img]http://i.imgur.com/2Zzxs56.png[/img] Look out guys, someone cares about ratings and he's grumpy. Calm down guy. Are you just mad because we're calling out your country's barbaric punishments for breaking the law? It's not so bad, I mean, my country still has the death penalty.[/QUOTE] I'm not mad about that. I'm mad that you generalize without knowing the complete details. Singapore has already allowed deathrow drug smugglers and couriers to exchange their death sentence for a life sentence, not exactly better by any means but it's at least better knowing you could still live rather than worrying about which day will you be executed. Secondly, there's a reason why we have death penalty for drug smuggling here. Singapore is a highly urban society and has one of the highest population density. A lot of things can travel easily between Singaporeans, informations, disease, and even drugs if possible. Singapore is situated close to the Golden Triangle, one of Asia's two main opium-producing and trafficking area. If no measures are taken, drug smugglers could practically waltz in with enough heroin or any other drugs to OD thousands of people here. And we're not taking that chance. Lastly, I'm also mad that you trivialize drugs like its normal.
[QUOTE=iAmaNewb;47285732]Secondly, there's a reason why we have death penalty for drug smuggling here. Singapore is a highly urban society and has one of the highest population density. A lot of things can travel easily between Singaporeans, informations, disease, and even drugs if possible. Singapore is situated close to the Golden Triangle, one of Asia's two main opium-producing and trafficking area. If no measures are taken, drug smugglers could practically waltz in with enough heroin or any other drugs to OD thousands of people here. And we're not taking that chance.[/QUOTE] You're making it sound like drug dealers forcibly inject people with heroin, and heroin use is an infectious disease that just travels by contact with another user. It's not. Each of those users at one point in their life made the decision to take heroin, despite knowing the risks (I doubt you can find even a single person in a highly urban society who doesn't know that heroin is highly addictive, can massively damage your health and is really easy to fatally OD on). Neither the drug producers nor the drug smugglers nor the drug dealers are responsible for that - they're just giving people what they want. It's like throwing the owner of your local McDonalds in jail for damaging people's health by making them fat. They don't force you to go there. If you get fat and suffer health complications as a result of eating at McDonalds every day, that's your own fault.
[QUOTE=ksenior;47279610]Why would you travel the world to spraypaint things?[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.ultimatefreecheats.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/subway-surfers-hack-header.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=ksenior;47279610]Why would you travel the world to spraypaint things?[/QUOTE] For fun? The adrenaline rush from a new challenge and spraying your name all over the world? Look up train bombings on youtube (not that sort of train bombing..)
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47285852]You're making it sound like drug dealers forcibly inject people with heroin, and heroin use is an infectious disease that just travels by contact with another user. It's not. Each of those users at one point in their life made the decision to take heroin, despite knowing the risks (I doubt you can find even a single person in a highly urban society who doesn't know that heroin is highly addictive, can massively damage your health and is really easy to fatally OD on). Neither the drug producers nor the drug smugglers nor the drug dealers are responsible for that - they're just giving people what they want. It's like throwing the owner of your local McDonalds in jail for damaging people's health by making them fat. They don't force you to go there. If you get fat and suffer health complications as a result of eating at McDonalds every day, that's your own fault.[/QUOTE] So you maintain that; 1. A law against drug trafficking is disgraceful. 2. There shouldn't even be a law against drug trafficking. okay
[QUOTE=angelangel;47286073]So you maintain that; 1. A law against drug trafficking is disgraceful. 2. There shouldn't even be a law against drug trafficking. okay[/QUOTE] No, he's merely pointing out that iAmaNewb blows the drug trafficking problem out of proportion. The issue here is: 1. Singapore's punishments for drug trafficking (and most other things tbh) are harsh and draconian. May I also point out: 2. Drugs shouldn't be illegal to use or posess in the first place. They should be taken out of the black market and into a regulated, legal market. 3. Legalising drugs does not mean removing laws against and punishments for trafficking.
They shouldn't test the country's law enforcement Singapore is known for it's harsh punishments so I have to say that they brought this to themselves
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