• The Wolverine to be killed off by Marvel
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[QUOTE=The DooD;44648751]Wolverine's power is basically magic. If he got reduced down to two separate cells in different locations, one of them would eventually regenerate back to full Wolverine with all his memories and stuff and the other would just know not to make a clone.[/QUOTE] i can imagine a plotline where 2 full wolverines do grow from 2 split-up cells, actually
Wouldn't he still only have 1 skeleton? I'm assuming he can't just regenerate from 1 cell without his skeleton to regenerate on. Otherwise, is he supposed to just create a new adamantium skeleton with his healing factor?
This shit is starting to hurt my brain-parts
[QUOTE=JgcxCub;44644920]Comic book debates are so pointless[/QUOTE] Yeah, but so are most of your posts, let's be fair. [editline]26th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=BeardyDuck;44647104]for dc there are a few major names. green lantern (hal jordan and alan scott) flash (barry allen) superman batman robin (jason todd) darkseid and the list goes on.[/QUOTE] Harley Quinn died and went to hell in her own series. She fought and defeated a homophobic bounty-hunting reaper of the afterlife and then returned to the mortal world as a soul that possessed random women until being given her own body again by Martian Manhunter. Fucking comics, man.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;44647877]That's the reason I can't get into superhero comics. There's no sense of permanence and it makes it impossible for me to invest emotionally with any character when I know that even if they completely and utterly die they'll come back next issue because it was all an alternate universe or some shit[/QUOTE] Being invested emotionally in a character doesn't solely involve death though. In many mediums of storytelling you can easily cast aside any tension because the protagonist almost always lives. It's like when people claim that Superman is a boring character because he is the least prone to death, when in reality most of the other mainstream superheroes have the same plot armor. Only his is quite literal. Readers become invested in the character through his or her personal struggles regardless of whether or not mortality is involved. For instance, it doesn't matter that they brought back Robin after he died, since Batman will always hold that feeling of personal responsibility for his death. Even if the recent Robin, Damian Wayne, is brought back from the dead, his death will still mean something significant in the character development of his father.
And then it happens and it's like a 2 page comic where they kill an actual wolverine.
Of course there's dumb stuff too like Batman's "death" when he was forced to fight his way back to present day in various time periods while leaving a legacy of Batmen ranging from pirates and pilgrims to cowboys and noir detectives, but no one's forcing you to acknowledge those stories. Given the nature of comic books with constant reboots, alternate universes, and ridiculous crisis events you don't even have to include them in your own personal "lore" of your favorite character.
They'll kill him off, then bring him back in 5 years under a new trend. He'll come back shaggy, beaten, and rough after surviving in some hostile environment for years (Bottom of the sea, vast desert, Russia, etc. you name it). So all the wolverine fanboys will be like "OMG! He's not dead! There is still faith! My life is complete!" and they'll rake in another couple billion to keep the train going.
Very relevant to super hero deaths: [hd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PlwDbSYicM[/hd]
You can "kill" Wolverine. Cast him into some adamantium, stuck in a solid block of it, and he is essentially as good as dead, he can't do anything.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;44649364]i can imagine a plotline where 2 full wolverines do grow from 2 split-up cells, actually[/QUOTE] Actually, that happend in a Deadpool comic. Some crazy fan lady collected his body parts, put them in a freezer and when Deadpool found out he threw them out in a garbage bag. Then they regenrated together to form like an evil clone of Deadpool. It was pretty cool.
Surprised that this hasn't been posted before: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PlwDbSYicM[/media] [editline]b[/editline] [B]FUCK![/B]
[QUOTE=27X;44648094] Yes he has, X men annual #11.[/QUOTE] he only regenerated from that because of the power gem on that guy's forehead, he'd never have been able to otherwise
[QUOTE=Paulendy;44650050]Wouldn't he still only have 1 skeleton? I'm assuming he can't just regenerate from 1 cell without his skeleton to regenerate on. Otherwise, is he supposed to just create a new adamantium skeleton with his healing factor?[/QUOTE] The opposite. Woverine's skeleton actually [I]inhibits[/I] his healing factor. When Magneto ripped it out of him during Fatal Attractions, his healing factor actually ramped up to its normal rate and he pretty much became the mutant Hulk, and not only would a nuclear blast not vaporize him, it wouldn't do much more than shred off his skin, which would grow back almost instantly. He fought the silver samurai in some Stane-tech armor and busted his claws on his armor because it was just bone versus an Osmium-Vibranium alloy. They grew back almost instantly and were larger, and by the end of the fight he had katana sized claws that went right through SS's armor simply through sheer compacted density. His skeleton is actually a hindrance, not a benefit. The only advantages are his bones can't be broken through normal means and he's literally lifting weights 24/7, and it otherwise confers a shitload of disadvantages, like making him way slower than he'd normally be and dulling his senses. If even one cell was still bonded to the adamantium, wolverine would survive. The only characters with better healing factors than Wolverine are Darwin and Apocalypse. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44651340]he only regenerated from that because of the power gem on that guy's forehead, he'd never have been able to otherwise[/QUOTE] Guess you read the wiki and not the actual issue because that's not what happened. Horde's gem didn't regenerate him and neither did the Tower. The Tower could only use what power you had to your own mental limits, which is why everyone else failed the test and Logan didn't, because he lives with his power being limited 24/7 by various choices he's made on purpose through the years.
[QUOTE=27X;44653049]Guess you read the wiki and not the actual issue because that's not what happened. Horde's gem didn't regenerate him and neither did the Tower. The Tower could only use what power you had to your own mental limits, which is why everyone else failed the test and Logan didn't, because he lives with his power being limited 24/7 by various choices he's made on purpose through the years.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Primigenes;44645038] [IMG]http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/55209/2929555-uncanny_x_men_annual_11_pa.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] [editline]26th April 2014[/editline] it literally says that the only reason he regenerated was because of the gem
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44653122][editline]26th April 2014[/editline] it literally says that the only reason he regenerated was because of the gem[/QUOTE] It also says [QUOTE]And so is my will to live[/QUOTE]
No it doesn't; reread the panel before the yellow one. The gem restored his mind and memories, he would have regenerated from simply being there as he was, as he did when Magneto took the metal out of his skeleton, which "killed" him. (for exactly three issues) As long as one strand of dna is intact, he will regenerate. The gem sped up the process to *instant* and kept his memories and personality intact, if you bother reading what the tower is and is supposed to do instead of cherry picking a quote, you'd see that.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44644789]when he fought nitro and was left as an adamantium skeleton [IMG]http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/104108/1981405-wolverine48_001.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] The generic skeleton enemy in every RPG is back...AND HE'S PISSED.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44653228]It also says "and so is my will to live"[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=27X;44653262]No it doesn't; reread the panel before the yellow one. The gem restored his mind and memories, he would have regenerated from simply being there as he was, as he did when Magneto took the metal out of his skeleton, which "killed" him. (for exactly three issues) As long as one strand of dna is intact, he will regenerate. The gem sped up the process to *instant* and kept his memories and personality intact, if you bother reading what the tower is and is supposed to do instead of cherry picking a quote, you'd see that.[/QUOTE] *given enough power that's the key sentence right there. he says his body COULD be regenerated from a single drop of blood if given enough power, he doesn't imply that it would've had enough power if the gem wasn't there
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44653460]*given enough power that's the key sentence right there. he says his body COULD be regenerated from a single drop of blood if given enough power, he doesn't imply that it would've had enough power if the gem wasn't there[/QUOTE] hence the world "also".
dont see how that changes anything
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44653460]*given enough power that's the key sentence right there. he says his body COULD be regenerated from a single drop of blood if given enough power, he doesn't imply that it would've had enough power if the gem wasn't there[/QUOTE] Without the skeleton to inhibit it, it would. Read you some Fatal Attractions and the Wolverine comic arc after it, you're suggesting semantic plausibility where Marvel has already written the proof otherwise in subsequent arcs.
does he actually regenerate from a single cell in any of those arcs, or is it just implied that he can do it?
[QUOTE=Scot;44645581]thats pretty metal[/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/mnT3wmz.jpg[/t] Would make a badass album cover.
Man I have no idea how they keep these comics going for so many decades. They obviously have to invent more and more difficult baddies and challenges, but how do you do that without eventually getting repetitive?
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44644476]I feel like no one takes comic characters getting killed off seriously anymore. It's even lost its shock value, I read the headline and was like "huh."[/QUOTE] Because there's only about a gazillion ways they can be brought back to life...and Marvel already has a well-established track record of doing just that.
Marvel put in a dead-means-dead policy a few years ago. Apocalypse, for example, is super fucking dead, has been since 2011. I mean he has a clone and all, but the clones teenage, a good guy, and a member of the X-Men. Xaviers been dead since September of 2012, and theres a few others that died a long time ago who are still dead, like Ben Reilly.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44644580][IMG]http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/130528/2600723-skelet10.jpg[/IMG] Wolverine regenerates from being destroyed down to one cell in a nuclear blast. He can't actually die.[/QUOTE] Okay that's just fucking ridiculous.
Why not just launch him into the sun or deep space? It's not like it matters if he's dead at that point, he's out of the way add if he's dead.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;44659096]Apocalypse, for example, is super fucking dead, has been since 2011.[/QUOTE]Really? What did him in? He was another one of those "Superpower is not staying dead"-types, and the most recent thing I can find for him via a quick Internet search is that he's being held captive and tortured by the Celestials somewhere.
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