• “Six Strikes” Anti-Piracy Scheme Starts Monday in the US
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[QUOTE=windwakr;39696379]No, I'm pretty sure that's still going to be happening. This is in addition to that.[/QUOTE] The text of the agreements actually leave them open to lawsuits by rightsholders after the six strikes point using customer information provided by ISPs. As I understand it they probably won't even need subpoenas anymore.
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Coincedentally, the "suck my dick" anti-ISP scheme also starts monday in the US. Hello vpn, hello having to heavily filter access to my router, hello 24/7 paranoia.
I wonder if you could just spam torrents and other P2P protocols with fake ips generated from whatever IP range these ISP's own. I imagine they'd have to shut this system down if it was overloaded with false negatives.
[QUOTE=Kuro.;39696371]Basically yeah, I'm assuming it searches for blacklisted filenames (both of the actual archive and the files inside), then blacklisted file hashes, then so on and so forth. I'm still not sure if passwording/encryption stops it, but I have had files get instadeleted and blacklisted from future uploading even if passworded/encrypted. anyways, there's no reason to use MF anymore for piracy, they put the ability to download multipart archives behind a pay wall and with Mega open it's about to time for filesharers to migrate away from it.[/QUOTE] They wont let you uploaded encrypted archives, iirc, unless you have a premium account. Though I once messed around and I think I bypassed it by using some obscure archive format I can't remember the name on.
This is really shit, because the same technology that kept TPB and other sites online is going to be the downfall of consumers if this is effective. Using Distributed Hash Tables, a client can connect to the network and, if it knows an info hash that has copyrighted material, can match the IP addresses of the users downloading & uploading by looking at DHT. The only way to avoid this, is, ironically enough, not using DHT and switching to tracker based torrents. Now it's a catch 22, because most public trackers are offline as of late. [editline]23rd February 2013[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Q_F4XmNEc[/media]
[QUOTE=ewitwins;39696398]Gentlemen: [url]http://www.noodlevpn.com/usa_vpn.html[/url][/QUOTE] that site looks so fake [img]http://puu.sh/27p6y[/img] and then there's this
[QUOTE=windwakr;39696379]No, I'm pretty sure that's still going to be happening. This is in addition to that.[/QUOTE] do you have sauce on this maybe they'll be gentle
[QUOTE=MR-X;39696362]If they start capping your speeds for no legit reason like that simply void out the contract right? Seeing as they're not holding their end. Like people who pay for whatever amount of unlimited mbs download speeds right?[/QUOTE] Don't act as if you have the moral high ground here, they're giving you 6 chances to stop pirating. It's clearly stated that if you keep going, you're getting consequences. If you don't like it, find another ISP. If all the ISP's do it? Tough luck, they're a private business and piracy isn't protected by the constitution
I find it funny that since they couldnt get it legally done, they went behind the laws back to get it done. Something about that whole process just seems wrong to me.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39696480]Don't act as if you have the moral high ground here, they're giving you 6 chances to stop pirating. It's clearly stated that if you keep going, you're getting consequences. If you don't like it, find another ISP. If all the ISP's do it? Tough luck, they're a private business and piracy isn't protected by the constitution[/QUOTE] I don't think people have a problem with people trying to stop their content from getting stolen, but the method they are doing it with. an IP adress does NOT directly point to a person, but that's how they are treating the IP address. That's where people have a problem. I think. If you are actually pissed that people are trying to stop theft then you need to reevaluate your thinking.
[QUOTE=Chocolate1234;39696482]I find it funny that since they couldnt get it legally done, they went behind the laws back to get it done. Something about that whole process just seems wrong to me.[/QUOTE] The government had no place in deciding if certain websites can be blocked, the entertainment industry is doing the correct thing by talking to the ISP's. Governments shouldn't have censorship powers, but a private company can deny you access to certain services if you break the terms of agreement you agreed to by using their service
Maybe so. Even so, I'm worried about people who have no interest in piracing getting caught in the middle because of errors (or worse, somebody else spoofing their IP), which, sadly, [URL="http://dmca.cs.washington.edu/faq.html"]is possible[/URL].
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39696480]Don't act as if you have the moral high ground here, they're giving you 6 chances to stop pirating. It's clearly stated that if you keep going, you're getting consequences. If you don't like it, find another ISP. If all the ISP's do it? Tough luck, they're a private business and piracy isn't protected by the constitution[/QUOTE] And then your speeds get throttled because someone's been using your wifi
I'm not sure if I understand this, would this apply to uTorrent users aswell? Or is Bittorrent a general term, not the program?
[QUOTE=Nukefuzz;39696589]I'm not sure if I understand this, would this apply to uTorrent users aswell? Or is Bittorrent a general term, not the program?[/QUOTE] uTorrent is a BitTorrent client, so yes it appleys. Bittorrent's a protocol (like HTTP, FTP, and Steam are also protocols).
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39696579]And then your speeds get throttled because someone's been using your wifi[/QUOTE] Put a password on it?
Nothing like wasting astronomical amounts of resources on your delusions to make the lives of law abiding people worse, while the pirates only get smarter and stronger by perfecting their methods. hunting against pirates is like hunting against illegal substances, it only ends up wasting your money while giving criminals a progressively growing industry/structure, with those criminals frequently being significantly lesser criminals than the ones who are chasing them. There are a number of ways to solve piracy (keep it to a minimum), with them being preferably combined. 1. Make the paid products more convenient to get than the pirated free ones. 2. Stop using business practices of deception, greed, and criminally high price tags. 3. Make the products actually worth their money, instead of being worth 1/10th of the amount 4. Once again, stop wasting idiotic amount of resources on a battle that will absolutely never be won. Obviously the things above will not happen in a lot of areas, those organizations would probably rather go bankrupt instead of giving up this bullshit, and focusing on something actually productive. Frankly, it would not be too far fetched to assume that they fully realize all of this, and enjoy doing it because it is some type of a chess game for them.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39696613]Put a password on it?[/QUOTE] Not quite as simple as that, unfortunately. Used to live in an apartment building with terrible people and drugs. Had a router, a little old. Both WEP and WPA and WPA2 protection. But no matter what I did one of our neighbors managed to crack past it within minutes. Then used a MAC address whitelist, which did the trick.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39696613]Put a password on it?[/QUOTE] Aside from the fact that wifi passwords are crackable, if someone comes onto my property uninvited and commits a crime they're the one that gets in trouble for it - not me Why should internet be different [editline]23rd February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Chocolate1234;39696655]Not quite as simple as that, unfortunately. Used to live in an apartment. Had a router, a little old. Both WEP and WPA and WPA2 protection. But no matter what I did one of our neighbors managed to crack past it within minutes. Then used a MAC address whitelist, which did the trick.[/QUOTE] They knew how to crack a wifi password but not spoof a mac address? Heh
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39696659][editline]23rd February 2013[/editline] They knew how to crack a wifi password but not spoof a mac address? Heh[/QUOTE] I found that pretty funny too. Also one time some of the other neighbors were having cable troubles and the cable company people came up to investigate and found out that these neighbors who had broken our wifi had also managed to splice the cable. I didn't even know that was possible in real life.
Canada is great!
[QUOTE=laserguided;39696710]Canada is great![/QUOTE] Until they decide to emulate the U.S. Which is what I'm worried about.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39696659]Aside from the fact that wifi passwords are crackable, if someone comes onto my property uninvited and commits a crime they're the one that gets in trouble for it - not me Why should internet be different [editline]23rd February 2013[/editline] They knew how to crack a wifi password but not spoof a mac address? Heh[/QUOTE] Well then that's a legitimate point that should be brought up and discussed. If we keep yelling about how our freedoms are being taken away whenever a company tries to protect itself (like many people in this thread are doing) , it'll drown out all the real points of discussion and issues, like this. Instead of simply throwing up our hands and saying that all DRM should be abolished, we should work with together with the ISP's and entertainment industry and find a good middle ground where everyone wins
[QUOTE=Chocolate1234;39696737]Until they decide to emulate the U.S. Which is what I'm worried about.[/QUOTE] It won't happen because our MP's aren't stupid.
[QUOTE=Nukefuzz;39696589]I'm not sure if I understand this, would this apply to uTorrent users aswell? Or is Bittorrent a general term, not the program?[/QUOTE] Yes. And also, the MPAA monitors uTorrent.
and then in a couple of years theyll realize that theater ticket sales, dvd sales, music sales, and video game sales are not affected by this act despite how much money and resources were poured into it. anyone that is pirating any of these things were not willing to shell out any amount of money in the first place. none of these industries lose any money to pirating. people will just go back to borrowing and copying/burning cds and dvds eventually if things get too strict.
[QUOTE=legolover122;39696496]I don't think people have a problem with people trying to stop their content from getting stolen, but the method they are doing it with. an IP adress does NOT directly point to a person, but that's how they are treating the IP address. That's where people have a problem. I think. If you are actually pissed that people are trying to stop theft then you need to reevaluate your thinking.[/QUOTE] You get [i]six[/i] strikes. If you can't stop people from using your wifi to commit a crime [i]six times in a row[/i] then clearly you aren't responsible enough to be managing an Internet access point. I can totally understand how someone might have a prying neighbor use their 'linksys' hotspot and pirate something, and then the wrong family gets the warning. But once they get that first warning and some info on how to prevent it in the future, it shouldn't be an issue. And if it happens again not once, not twice, but [i]five[/i] more times on their network, then yeah, I think they share some of the blame.
I live in China, don't give a fuck, can't get me.
Half of my family uses torrents monthly at least. Most of them just visit and don't disable utorrent on their laptops ever. I'm fucked.
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